MorgansTShirt got his comment in before me and we cover a lot of the same ground in our responses... but I spent some time typing this up so I'm going to post it anyway. I hope it's clear that I'm not trying to gang up on Gojirawars 03, this is just how the timing of these posts worked out. In regards to MorgansTShirt, he really states the same things I'm trying to say much more articulately. If you have to respond to one post I hope it's his.
Gojirawars 03 wrote:Yes, it technically takes Godzilla around an hour to show up in GvKG, but at least in that film , when he shows up, it feels worth the wait. Not to mention we're watching actually interesting plot and characters in the meantime while the movie builds up his arrival. Plus we get stuff like the Godzillasaurus attack on Lagos or King Ghidorah's rampage to tide us over in terms of monster action. What do we get in EHotD? A bunch of guys stuck on an island while a puppet claw shows up to smash a toy boat every 25 minutes or so.
OK, so you don't think anything that happens in the first ~50 minutes of the movie is engaging. You aren't caught up in the frequent chases and the sneaking around the villains' base. Why aren't the characters or plot in this film interesting?
You keep throwing out comments like "puppet claw," "toy boat," and "Cookie Monster suit" to show your disdain for this movie. Are you aware that anyone can find similar examples in the movies you like? That puppet claw isn't too different in execution from the Godzillasaurus prop foot or tail that's haphazardly composited into shots of actors laying down on a beach. The model tanks that G-Force sends at Godzilla in Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
aren't exactly photo-realistic either.
Also, disliking the design of kaiju is a perfectly relevant criticism of a film, especially when the focus of these films are the monsters. Ebirah looks fine, I guess. But I'm actually holding in laughter every time I see these guys "cowering in fear" at the Cookie Monster suit.
Yeah that's fair. Godzilla is the star of the film and his appearance is a product of Toho's special effects staff. An extreme hypothetical comparison would be like a Bond film in which the costumers only gave Daniel Craig a ratty t-shirt or the makeup crew didn't touch up any noticeable blemishes on his face. But at least Godzilla is still Godzilla here. I'm sorry for any fans that can't get past what the monsters look like. For example, King Kong vs. Godzilla
is a fun film despite the all-time worst version of Kong. I think the Mire-Goji costume is embarrassingly bad in a lot of shots in Godzilla 2000
but I don't let that draw me out of the movie. "Godzilla looks weird" is a relevant criticism, I'll give you that, but it's not the only
No. Godzilla in 1964-1968 is not much like his Heisei counterpart. The Showa Godzilla, even if reluctantly at first, becomes a sot of hero. Godzilla of the Heisei era is never a real hero. You sympathize with him, but he only really fights other monsters that threaten him directly, or his son in later films.
Where else does Godzilla act especially heroically from 1964-68? Off the top of my head I can think of two: teaming up with Mothra and Rodan to fight Ghidrah, as well as the sequence I mentioned from this film. How are his fights against Ghidrah in Monster Zero
all that different from the Heisei Godzilla who only fights monsters that "threaten him directly"? What about in this film, where Godzilla rises from hibernation and spends the last 35 minutes of the film fighting Ebirah, the Red Bamboo, and the adult Mothra in self defense? What about in Son of Godzilla
where all three monster fights involve Godzilla protecting Minya? Or in DAM, where Godzilla is contained
at Monsterland (not exactly a response to a hero, is it?) and only fights of his own free will at the end of the film against the Kilaak base and the Fire Dragon -- two elements of the same threat that had previously placed him under their control and had just sent Ghidrah to fight him and the other monsters.
I also provided examples in this film in which the characters (both good and bad) react in total fear to Godzilla. Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
and Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
notably have characters admiring Godzilla (even crying at his death in the latter!) which isn't too different from the characters trying to tell Godzilla to escape Letchi Island at the end of this movie. Like it or not, the late '60s Godzilla was something of an anti-hero too. He was just given more humorous pop culture references than the '90s version of the character.
Well, from what I recall, the actual fighting happens almost entirley underwater, so it's nearly impossible to see.
How are you watching the movie? It's not "nearly impossible to see" if you watch the Sony/Kraken releases. It's no more obscure than Godzilla and Battra's underwater battle in Godzilla vs. Mothra
. In fact, in that film, that fight is more than nearly impossible to see because of the way it's edited and especially because of those damn bubbles.
But then, I'm trying to criticize a Showa film on Toho Kingdom forums, so I assume my replies will fall on deaf ears.
No one is telling you you have to like this movie any more than any other Godzilla movie. But you come in here with the statement that it's "definitely not good" and when you're asked to elaborate on it you choose to criticize stuff like the Godzilla costume and a single monster fight (which you recalled incorrectly anyway). It's not that your critique is falling on deaf ears because we're all too high on Showa movies, it's that no one who's responded to you thinks you've offered any solid arguments as to why this movie is "definitely not good." As MorgansTShirt said the other day:
MorgansTShirt wrote:I don't understand how your points make this movie "not good." It sounds more like there are some minor details you dislike, which is different from saying it's not a good movie.