Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Grievous » Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:36 am

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:05 pm

I love the pacing of this one, it's so action packed yet it's not too fast or too slow.
Having the Infant Islanders (ala Kumi Mizuno) be part of the main cast was a great choice, and this might be one of my favorite Takarada performances; him being a theif was a great idea. The whole cast feels organic together, and after a rewatch I'm fine with how the film ended up. It being switched to a Godzilla film rather than a King Kong film isn't bad thing at all, in fact I'm happier with how KKE turned out.
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The characters aren't that developed, but they feel alive and react to everything naturally. I geninouly see most of the Showa films as really great films, but I would've loved to see what might've happened had they had longer production schedules. I give the film a 7/10.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Gojirawars 03 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:16 am

This one is inoffensive to me. It's not really bad, but its definitely not good...
It's just kinda there...
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Terasawa » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:04 am

It’s “just kinda there” in regards to its place in the Godzilla chronology. Nothing happens in this movie that affects later films and it doesn’t really draw on events from earlier entries either. But that’s hardly a knock against it.

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Ben Shapiro » Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:30 am

Terasawa wrote:It’s “just kinda there” in regards to its place in the Godzilla chronology. Nothing happens in this movie that affects later films and it doesn’t really draw on events from earlier entries either. But that’s hardly a knock against it.

Agreed, I find it to be one of the more entertaining entrees in the series.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:41 pm

Gojirawars 03 wrote:This one is inoffensive to me. It's not really bad, but its definitely not good...
It's just kinda there...


What makes it "definitely not good"
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby eabaker » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:27 pm

Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
Gojirawars 03 wrote:This one is inoffensive to me. It's not really bad, but its definitely not good...
It's just kinda there...


What makes it "definitely not good"


Yeah, gotta say, while I wouldn't consider it a standout of the series, I'd call it a competently told, engaging story, with some neat production design elements, a likable cast, and a decent musical score. Not a home run, but fully up to the baseline standards of "good."
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Terasawa » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:47 pm

Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
Gojirawars 03 wrote:This one is inoffensive to me. It's not really bad, but its definitely not good...
It's just kinda there...


What makes it "definitely not good"


No beam locks.

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Ben Shapiro » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:13 pm

Terasawa wrote:
Mr_Goji_and_Watch wrote:
Gojirawars 03 wrote:This one is inoffensive to me. It's not really bad, but its definitely not good...
It's just kinda there...


What makes it "definitely not good"


No beam locks.

Lol this is epic.

Maybe if they ever remake Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep, they’ll throw in a beam clash between Ebirah and Godzilla if we’re lucky.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Ivo-goji » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:52 pm

Terasawa wrote:It’s “just kinda there” in regards to its place in the Godzilla chronology. Nothing happens in this movie that affects later films and it doesn’t really draw on events from earlier entries either.

It's positively bizarre when people say things like that about any Godzilla film, but it makes especially little sense here where the turning point between Godzilla's status as feared sometimes-villain-sometimes-defender and his later more actively heroic persona took place.

Like imagine if this movie didn't exist and the series leapt immediately into Godzilla the Sympathetic Single Dad right off the heels of humanity trying to exile him into outer space forever in Monster Zero.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Terasawa » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:02 pm

Ivo-goji wrote:
Terasawa wrote:It’s “just kinda there” in regards to its place in the Godzilla chronology. Nothing happens in this movie that affects later films and it doesn’t really draw on events from earlier entries either.

It's positively bizarre when people say things like that about any Godzilla film, but it makes especially little sense here where the turning point between Godzilla's status as feared sometimes-villain-sometimes-defender and his later more actively heroic persona took place.

Like imagine if this movie didn't exist and the series leapt immediately into Godzilla the Sympathetic Single Dad right off the heels of humanity trying to exile him into outer space forever in Monster Zero.


Great point, I hadn’t even considered that. It’s definitely a crucial film for Godzilla’s development.

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Postby Zarm » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:59 pm

And what of the Giant Condor? The world would be a poorer place without him. We have EHotD to thank for him, if nothing else.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby eabaker » Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:34 pm

Zarm wrote:And what of the Giant Condor? The world would be a poorer place without him. We have EHotD to thank for him, if nothing else.


As such, this movie is extremely important for its role as a prequel to Godzilla's Revenge.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Dr. Professor » Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:17 pm

Zarm wrote:And what of the Giant Condor? The world would be a poorer place without him. We have EHotD to thank for him, if nothing else.

You make the most sense out of anyone around here. My life would be nothing without the Giant Condor.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Zarm » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:06 am

eabaker wrote:
Zarm wrote:And what of the Giant Condor? The world would be a poorer place without him. We have EHotD to thank for him, if nothing else.


As such, this movie is extremely important for its role as a prequel to Godzilla's Revenge.


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You know, it's said as a joke, but realistically, without the jet attack, Ebirah battles, and Giant Condor scene, I don't think they would have had enough Jungle Island footage to make Godzilla's Revenge feasible. They either would have had to change up the setting to a more generic countryside and basically just had this a 'greatest hits of King Ghidorah' movie, or make a different, more expensive movie that didn't rely much on stock footage. And if they hadn't made Godzilla's Revenge for a cheaper amount and found it to be successful, who knows if we would have gotten any of the following films.

So an argument could be made that without this movie, we wouldn't have had anything past Destroy All Monsters, because Toho might not have been convinced that they could make things profitably enough. And without Mechagodzilla, we lose a fair amount out of the Heisei, Millennium, and Anime eras as well.

Is that reaching? Absolutely! :) But, without this movie, there is the potential for an unpredictable ripple effect throughout the rest of the post-Destroy All Monsters franchise, up to and including the scenario described here.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:27 pm

I am inclined to believe without EHOTD, SOG would probably be drastically different. I can’t confirm what I’m about to say, but I garuntee it being on an island, made SOG a lot more similar. The island duology sortve also created a lot of great fodder Kaiju, Ebirah, Kamaucuras, and Kumonga, so it’s all good.

I also never really thought of EHOTD being the film that really develops Godzilla as a character. The human protagonists are afraid of him, and I believe that there’s even a reference to the damage he caused in past movies, but even by the end they want Godzilla to survive the explosion because they used him as a tool to possibly overthrow a bigger threat.

Also Red Bamboo is a criminally underrated/uniquee part of the franchise that should be revisited.
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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Freebleeper » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:56 pm

I found this one quite significant as it officially would make Godzilla a hero as yes in Ghidrah, the three headed monster he did help the human race against Ghidrah but still immediately the next film he's under alien control to wreck havoc and just seeing the human characters in Ebriah, Horror of the Deep encouraging him to leave the island before the atomic bomb destroys and than are happy he did made it pretty much makes him an official hero in the series now. :D :) ;)

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Re: Talkback Thread #7: Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966)

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:42 pm

Freebleeper wrote:I found this one quite significant as it officially would make Godzilla a hero as yes in Ghidrah, the three headed monster he did help the human race against Ghidrah but still immediately the next film he's under alien control to wreck havoc and just seeing the human characters in Ebriah, Horror of the Deep encouraging him to leave the island before the atomic bomb destroys and than are happy he did made it pretty much makes him an official hero in the series now. :D :) ;)


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