Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby miguelnuva » Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:20 pm

The only negative I have with this film is that the monster battles were short. Godzilla and Rodan vs King Ghidorah just screams exciting battle to me.
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Postby edgaguirus » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:41 pm

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Postby szmigiel » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:02 am

I think Invasion of the Astro Monster is one of Toho greatest sci-fi movies, a great combination of aliens and daikaiju. However the daikaiju part is second fiddle to the alien part. The daikaiju highlight is the three monsters on a rampage. It has a great mix of daikaiju on the rampage, people running in fear, and the military attempting to counter attack. There is also some skillful use of stock footage for many of the destruction scenes. The two battles, one on planet X and the other back on Earth, are short. But do feature plenty of action, not much of the monsters just standing around.

So as a Godzilla movie, judging it by how much Godzilla is seen or how much of the plot is directly about Godzilla, it really isn't that good. But as a sci-fi movie that mixes in Godzilla it is excellent.

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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby eabaker » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:55 pm

The kaiju are just one thread in the movie's tapestry, and I certainly wouldn't want to the entire series to take that approach, but in the context of that one movie, it was a great way to avoiding falling into a formula.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby JAGzilla » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:39 pm

I don't mind the kaiju being sidelined for this movie at all. It was a good alien invasion movie, and the kaiju are more or less icing on the cake. It helps that most of the scenes they did get were memorable standouts. In particular, I love the scene where Godzilla and Rodan are captured by the aliens, and the battle on Planet X was a great novelty.

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Postby Living Corpse » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:01 am

JAGzilla wrote:I don't mind the kaiju being sidelined for this movie at all. It was a good alien invasion movie, and the kaiju are more or less icing on the cake. It helps that most of the scenes they did get were memorable standouts. In particular, I love the scene where Godzilla and Rodan are captured by the aliens, and the battle on Planet X was a great novelty.


It helps that the human story was actually not boring and had something going on.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby eabaker » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:03 am

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JAGzilla wrote:I don't mind the kaiju being sidelined for this movie at all. It was a good alien invasion movie, and the kaiju are more or less icing on the cake. It helps that most of the scenes they did get were memorable standouts. In particular, I love the scene where Godzilla and Rodan are captured by the aliens, and the battle on Planet X was a great novelty.


It helps that the human story was actually not boring and had something going on.


As in all the best kaiju flicks, you really don't have a "human story" and a "monster story" here, just one story that involves the relationship between humanity and monsters.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby Space Hunter M » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:57 pm

In this classic, you'll see effects so dated, so kitsch they couldn't call them special.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby eabaker » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:36 pm

Really curious what definition of "kitsch" could be applicable to... well, to any special effects. Kitsch describes aesthetic choices, not technical capabilities.

You could call the design choices kitschy, I guess, but the design in this flick is rad.
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Postby edgaguirus » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:44 pm

The special effects do stand up, though dated. The alien tractor beam and bubbles containing the captured monsters still look good compared to today's effects.
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Postby eabaker » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:53 pm

I don't understand the idea of looking good "compared to" anything. If they look good, they look good.

I think American viewers tend to conflate "convincing" with "good" in terms of effects, but that's a very narrow standard.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby szmigiel » Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:02 am

Personally I think Invasion of the Astro Monster has the best effects of any film of the 1965. And one some of the best of the 1960s, only other films that are comparable are 2001, Jason and the Argonauts, and Planet of the Apes. If your definition of "dated special effects" means it doesn't look like the film was released this year, then yes every film released before will have "dated special effects".

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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:22 pm

eabaker wrote:
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JAGzilla wrote:I don't mind the kaiju being sidelined for this movie at all. It was a good alien invasion movie, and the kaiju are more or less icing on the cake. It helps that most of the scenes they did get were memorable standouts. In particular, I love the scene where Godzilla and Rodan are captured by the aliens, and the battle on Planet X was a great novelty.


It helps that the human story was actually not boring and had something going on.


As in all the best kaiju flicks, you really don't have a "human story" and a "monster story" here, just one story that involves the relationship between humanity and monsters.


Ah yeah you do. They're called sub-plots. Being connected does not make them one story. Monsters obviously effect the humans but the humans don't always have an effect on the monsters.
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Postby Legion1979 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:08 pm

Psst, Space Hunter M is quoting the back of the Paramount VHS box for this movie.

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Postby Space Hunter M » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:41 pm

Legion1979 wrote:Psst, Space Hunter M is quoting the back of the Paramount VHS box for this movie.

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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby eabaker » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:03 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
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It helps that the human story was actually not boring and had something going on.


As in all the best kaiju flicks, you really don't have a "human story" and a "monster story" here, just one story that involves the relationship between humanity and monsters.


Ah yeah you do. They're called sub-plots. Being connected does not make them one story. Monsters obviously effect the humans but the humans don't always have an effect on the monsters.


Well, plot and story are not synonymous. A central plot can branch off in sub-plots, but all can be contributing to one basic conflict/thematic core. Story is broader and more conceptual than plot, which is basically mechanical.

But, yes, you're right that the humans' actions don't always effect the course of the monsters' plot lines in these pictures. And that generally results in weaker movies, hence my point that in the best kaiju flicks, the two tend to function in tandem rather than separately.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:54 am

Here's a nice, interesting article by David Kalat about GvsMonster Zero:

http://moviemorlocks.com/2015/06/27/uh-oh-monster-zero/
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby eabaker » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:03 am

Kalat is one of my favorite writers on this subject (Godzilla films in general, I mean, not Monster Zero in particular).

Still, I question his classification of Kubo's roles Gorath, Attack of the Mushroom People and Monster Zero as "small." While none of them are the lead roles in their respective movies (although Mushroom People is a true ensemble film, so almost everybody is equally the "lead," and the same is nearly true of "Gorath").
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:50 pm

Passing by to say that the ending with the kaiju-orgy-cannonball composed of Godzilla, Rodan and Ghidorah falling to the sea is still as amusing as ever.

One of the best endings of the Showa era, fun-wise.
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Re: Talkback Thread #6: Invasion of the Astro Monster (1965)

Postby GodzillaFanatic2001 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:06 pm

I've been thinking, on the off chance a Hong Kong International dub exists for this film, who would dub who. Most likely, it would probably have the same voice cast from the International dubs Matango, Dogora and Atragon.
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