Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

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Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby JVM » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:02 pm

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King Caesar's turn is here. He's a cool monster, not one of my favorites, but there's nothing bad about him, either. He's a giant shisa.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby HayesAJones » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:09 pm

Ignored a lot, but I think he's pretty cool. I like the more mythical aspect to him.

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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby shark » Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:31 pm

I don't even know why he appeared in GvMG. Such a short appearance, only to get beaten down by MechaGodzilla.

I do like a few aspects about him though. Where most of Godzilla's friends or foes are somewhere along the lines of reptiles, insects, or mechas, King Caesar is the only furry guy. And the trick with his eyes was a neat ability, too.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Kubo » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:34 am

He's my favorite monster (duhhhh...). I love his little ear thingy and how he is much more agile than many monsters (Ex. Mechagodzilla). Their actually is a reference to him having the power to wake up other monsters but I may have heard it wrong
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Goji » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:38 am

shark wrote:I don't even know why he appeared in GvMG. Such a short appearance, only to get beaten down by MechaGodzilla.



What are you talking about? The entire plot revolved around him. He stood up to MG, and did the best he could considering he doesn't have healing abilities like Godzilla. If you were a giant monster, you'd probably get your ass beat too by a robot made from space titanium.

Anyways, I love this guy, always have. It wasn't until I got older that I realized how vastly under appreciated he was, since people tend to favor the various mutants, and dinosaur-esqe kaiju, more. I felt the GFW version was fine except for those weird eyes of his. Something about it just didn't click wth me. The red eyes from the Showa design were much more fitting, and effective.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby shark » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:22 pm

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shark wrote:I don't even know why he appeared in GvMG. Such a short appearance, only to get beaten down by MechaGodzilla.



What are you talking about? The entire plot revolved around him. He stood up to MG, and did the best he could considering he doesn't have healing abilities like Godzilla. If you were a giant monster, you'd probably get your ass beat too by a robot made from space titanium.


Kind of what I meant. The entire plot was about him with the statue and all, but when he finally did appear it was so brief. Maybe if that lady spent less time singing the King Caeser song we'd get a longer fight. I get that he did the best he could against MechaGodzilla, it's just that it was so quick.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Goji » Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:27 pm

It's a Jun Fukuda Godzilla film made in the 70's with little time and money; the film is far from perfect for these reasons and more. No reason to nitpick. The final battle is spectacular to watch anyway, so it doesn't matter much. Take it or leave it man!
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby shark » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:02 pm

Goji wrote:It's a Jun Fukuda Godzilla film made in the 70's with little time and money; the film is far from perfect for these reasons and more. No reason to nitpick. The final battle is spectacular to watch anyway, so it doesn't matter much. Take it or leave it man!



I know, I know. I love the film, and while I wish King Caesar was in just a little more it doesn't ruin the movie for me.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Goji » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:04 pm

So you love the film anyway; case closed :D
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Guardian7 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:21 pm

Caesar's biggest problem is he looked like a giant Muppet.
Great design for the most part. Excellent plot origin.
His execution wasn't all that grand and I would have liked to have seen him do a bit more (They could have cut down on that Cruise Ship chase or the Heat Chamber -both- and given him a few extra minutes of screen time).
Otherwise I like him a lot.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Goji » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:08 pm

Living Corpse wrote:A lot of people say he's pathetic in combat because he got his ass kicked by Mecahgodzilla, but what those people for get is that he was fighting FREAK'EN MECAHGODZILLA! a monster who would give most, if not all the Showa kaiju trouble. He beat the poop out of Anggy, and Godzilla too and those guys are consider pretty strong.


I see this time and time again, and people act as if Mechgodzilla was some kind of cannon fodder kaiju or something. He's right up there next to Hedorah as the most powerful character in the Showa timeline. Any monster that was even capable of standing up to him deserves some kudos, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:23 pm

KC is a nice edition to the Toho family. He's a shaggy creature, which is interesting to see when most kaiju are scale covered. He's also a strong fighter. Besides, you have to love it when his ears perk up.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby JVM » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:50 am

Hate him. He's a balant Ultraman rip off. He needs something to 'summon' him. And his eyes are lights. OH! And he does karate.

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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Killswitch » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:53 pm

I like the story behind King Caesar. I think he looks silly at times(especially in GFW), but KC has a lot of potential.
I am currently writing a story about KC, which takes place in ancient Japan.

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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Kubo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:40 pm

well you can pm that one my way cuz, believe it or not, i am his #1 fan. :)
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Tohosaurus » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:49 pm

I like him and his background. Should've been used instead of Baragon in GMK IMHO, especially since he's all mystical-like. He's a good fighter and being able to return rays back at his opponent is neat.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby TokyoVigilante » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:06 pm

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That actually would've been a really cool (and appropriate) replacement for Baragon. Probably would've been a cooler fight too.

I never quite saw The King Caesar suit as ratty, I thought it was a pretty well made suit. I really like KC and I'd like to see him come back.

I wish the Showa KC kept his Kung-fu kick that we get to see in the trailer, though.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Kubo » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:19 am

i need to see that trailer then!!

Oh and that is exactly what i was thinking too for GMK!!! Ha, great minds think alike i guess.
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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby Killswitch » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:59 am

King Caesar wrote:well you can pm that one my way cuz, believe it or not, i am his #1 fan. :)


I will send you a copy when I am finished. If I get the time, maybe later this year, I can transform it, into a comic book.

In your opinion, what is KC?

A statue that comes to life?
A statue that comes to life and transforms into a mammalian creature?
A mammalian creature that is awakened from hibernation?
Other?

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Re: Monster Discussion #37: King Caesar (Showa)

Postby TokyoVigilante » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:12 am

i need to see that trailer then!!

It's floating around Youtube somewhere. it's a really brief "blink and you miss it" scene of KC jumping and throwing a kick at Mechagodzilla's head. It was probably cut for not looking all that good from a special effects perspective.

Jet Jaguar also used his light-up eyes to blind Megalon in a trailer, but that was also cut.
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