The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby edgaguirus » Tue May 08, 2012 8:52 pm

It gets a little better with the Japanese version.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GodzillaDude » Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:11 am

Just curious what did everyone think of the ending?
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:19 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:Just curious what did everyone think of the ending?


I always felt sad that both of them died. I at least wanted Sanda to live.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Tohosaurus » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:49 pm

The random volcano thing that happens in more than one Toho kaiju film is, well, random, but having both die was a fitting ending for what is in a way a tragedy film. I don't necessarily have any ideas for a different ending off the top of my head.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Gojira1963 » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:22 pm

Tohosaurus wrote:The random volcano thing that happens in more than one Toho kaiju film is, well, random, but having both die was a fitting ending for what is in a way a tragedy film. I don't necessarily have any ideas for a different ending off the top of my head.


I did notice that then ending was identical to Rodan. That didn't bother me at all. Yeah, I agree with you that the film was a tragedy and you really feel for both monsters which is why I think the movie is so good.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:34 pm

War of the Gargantuas ending really pisses me off and kinda ruins the film for me. The film was building up the tension and suspense better than any other monster film had done before, and presented some of the best monster action I've ever seen...and then the ending had to show up and just got it cut right then and there, with no proper falling action or resolution. It really just comes off like the writers thought about the ending of the film for about 15 minutes, and then said, "Screw it! We can't come up with anything, so let's just have a volcano come up out of no where and eat the two of them up! Damn, we're good at our jobs!!" Really? Having the two of them being killed by a random volcano was the best ending that they could come up with? They might as well have been killed by Godzilla just randomly popping up and shooting them with his ray, and then leaving. That would have at least provided me with a laugh. But this? This is just sad and kind of depressing, but not for the monster. I'm sad and depressed at the ending, because these fantastic filmmakers, who were doing such a great job with the film up until that point came up with such a crap ending. All of the creativity and thought that these filmmakers put into the film, but they can't come up with a proper ending.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GodzillaDude » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:36 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:War of the Gargantuas ending really pisses me off and kinda ruins the film for me. The film was building up the tension and suspense better than any other monster film had done before, and presented some of the best monster action I've ever seen...and then the ending had to show up and just got it cut right then and there, with no proper falling action or resolution. It really just comes off like the writers thought about the ending of the film for about 15 minutes, and then said, "Screw it! We can't come up with anything, so let's just have a volcano come up out of no where and eat the two of them up! Damn, we're good at our jobs!!" Really? Having the two of them being killed by a random volcano was the best ending that they could come up with? They might as well have been killed by Godzilla just randomly popping up and shooting them with his ray, and then leaving. That would have at least provided me with a laugh. But this? This is just sad and kind of depressing, but not for the monster. I'm sad and depressed at the ending, because these fantastic filmmakers, who were doing such a great job with the film up until that point came up with such a crap ending. All of the creativity and thought that these filmmakers put into the film, but they can't come up with a proper ending.


I'm...actually gonna have to agree with you there. I still love the film but the ending seemed anti-climatic to me.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby ScootaVaran » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:00 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:War of the Gargantuas ending really pisses me off and kinda ruins the film for me. The film was building up the tension and suspense better than any other monster film had done before, and presented some of the best monster action I've ever seen...and then the ending had to show up and just got it cut right then and there, with no proper falling action or resolution. It really just comes off like the writers thought about the ending of the film for about 15 minutes, and then said, "Screw it! We can't come up with anything, so let's just have a volcano come up out of no where and eat the two of them up! Damn, we're good at our jobs!!" Really? Having the two of them being killed by a random volcano was the best ending that they could come up with? They might as well have been killed by Godzilla just randomly popping up and shooting them with his ray, and then leaving. That would have at least provided me with a laugh. But this? This is just sad and kind of depressing, but not for the monster. I'm sad and depressed at the ending, because these fantastic filmmakers, who were doing such a great job with the film up until that point came up with such a crap ending. All of the creativity and thought that these filmmakers put into the film, but they can't come up with a proper ending.


I'm...actually gonna have to agree with you there. I still love the film but the ending seemed anti-climatic to me.


Yeah I gotta agree with that too. The ending seemed kinda rushed.
Volcanos seem to be the "go to" kind of ending for some of these movies. Just seems like the writers wrote themselves into a corner and cant find a proper way to get rid of these seemingly indestructible monsters they've created.


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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Gojira1963 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:12 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:War of the Gargantuas ending really pisses me off and kinda ruins the film for me. The film was building up the tension and suspense better than any other monster film had done before, and presented some of the best monster action I've ever seen...and then the ending had to show up and just got it cut right then and there, with no proper falling action or resolution. It really just comes off like the writers thought about the ending of the film for about 15 minutes, and then said, "Screw it! We can't come up with anything, so let's just have a volcano come up out of no where and eat the two of them up! Damn, we're good at our jobs!!" Really? Having the two of them being killed by a random volcano was the best ending that they could come up with? They might as well have been killed by Godzilla just randomly popping up and shooting them with his ray, and then leaving. That would have at least provided me with a laugh. But this? This is just sad and kind of depressing, but not for the monster. I'm sad and depressed at the ending, because these fantastic filmmakers, who were doing such a great job with the film up until that point came up with such a crap ending. All of the creativity and thought that these filmmakers put into the film, but they can't come up with a proper ending.


I don't disagree with you that the ending isn't too great. I don't think it bothers me like it bothers you. Just curious, can you think of a different ending?

The volcano isn't too bad, although it is contrived, I would liked to have seen Sanda throw Gaira into the volcano in a symbol of good triumphant over evil.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Tamura » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:47 am

I thought it looked cool. I like it.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Chris55 » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:33 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:War of the Gargantuas ending really pisses me off and kinda ruins the film for me. The film was building up the tension and suspense better than any other monster film had done before, and presented some of the best monster action I've ever seen...and then the ending had to show up and just got it cut right then and there, with no proper falling action or resolution. It really just comes off like the writers thought about the ending of the film for about 15 minutes, and then said, "Screw it! We can't come up with anything, so let's just have a volcano come up out of no where and eat the two of them up! Damn, we're good at our jobs!!" Really? Having the two of them being killed by a random volcano was the best ending that they could come up with? They might as well have been killed by Godzilla just randomly popping up and shooting them with his ray, and then leaving. That would have at least provided me with a laugh. But this? This is just sad and kind of depressing, but not for the monster. I'm sad and depressed at the ending, because these fantastic filmmakers, who were doing such a great job with the film up until that point came up with such a crap ending. All of the creativity and thought that these filmmakers put into the film, but they can't come up with a proper ending.


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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Gojira-Fan » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:44 am

Yeah, the ending is probably the biggest reason I didn't like the movie.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby edgaguirus » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:21 pm

Having Sanda die along side Gaira is a sympathetic moment. The death of hero and foe, though, gives a certain closure to the film.

To be honest, I don't mind the volcano. It's a gimmick for Toho when needing to finish off kaiju, but like Rodan, there's an emothional element with the lava and smoke.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Rody » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:44 pm

The volcano in RODAN didn't feel tacked on like it did here, where it came out of nowhere. It's the one major flaw to the film, in my opinion. I think it would have been better if they had left the fate of the two Gargantuas ambiguous.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:01 pm

Gojira1963 wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:War of the Gargantuas ending really pisses me off and kinda ruins the film for me. The film was building up the tension and suspense better than any other monster film had done before, and presented some of the best monster action I've ever seen...and then the ending had to show up and just got it cut right then and there, with no proper falling action or resolution. It really just comes off like the writers thought about the ending of the film for about 15 minutes, and then said, "Screw it! We can't come up with anything, so let's just have a volcano come up out of no where and eat the two of them up! Damn, we're good at our jobs!!" Really? Having the two of them being killed by a random volcano was the best ending that they could come up with? They might as well have been killed by Godzilla just randomly popping up and shooting them with his ray, and then leaving. That would have at least provided me with a laugh. But this? This is just sad and kind of depressing, but not for the monster. I'm sad and depressed at the ending, because these fantastic filmmakers, who were doing such a great job with the film up until that point came up with such a crap ending. All of the creativity and thought that these filmmakers put into the film, but they can't come up with a proper ending.


I don't disagree with you that the ending isn't too great. I don't think it bothers me like it bothers you. Just curious, can you think of a different ending?


Off the top of my head, I would have the main characters tell the military to stop firing on the Garganutas (that gives the main characters something to do), and then Gaira pulls Sanda under the water, where they continue to fight. After a few moments, Sanda emerges from the water, badly injured, but there's no sign of Gaira. Sanda then swims off, upset that he had to kill his brother, but glad that he won't hurt anyone else.

The problem with WoG's ending is that it comes out of no where and it doesn't resolve anything. It essentially takes a pair scissors to the film reel and cuts the film off right in the middle of Gaira and Sanda fighting. It looks cool, sure, but in terms of the story, it does more harm then good.

Its also weird that I have a problem with both of Toho's big endings that involve volcanos (WoG and Rodan), though for different reasons. While Rodan's ending does make sense and actually is kinda sad and touching, the scene is ruined by some really bad special effects work. Mainly, the large amounts of light coming from the volcano make the Rodan props look incredibly fake and ruins the dramatic tension of the scene. Whereas WoG's ending with a volcano doesn't really serve any good for the story.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Goji » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:02 pm

Gojira-Fan wrote:Yeah, the ending is probably the biggest reason I didn't like the movie.


So, the ending completely ruins the movie for you?

Seriously? What about the rest of it?
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Sydney Aradi » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:27 pm

The ending for WOTG doesn't ruin the whole film for me. I do agree that it does feel tacked on (unlike the deaths of the Rodans due to the volcano in Rodan) but other than that, WOTG is an entertaining film to watch regardless of the ending
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:37 pm

The ending is not bad. It doesnt ruin anything, The battle scenes make up for it.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GodzillaDude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:45 pm

The ending felt disappointing and anti-climatic to me, but it doesn't stop me from loving the movie and the characters of Gaira and Sanda.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:49 pm

Giga Kaiju wrote:The ending is not bad. It doesnt ruin anything, The battle scenes make up for it.


I wouldn't say that. I would much rather have a film with average battle scenes and a proper ending, instead of a film with great battle scenes and no ending.

The ending of WoG doesn't ruin the entire film. It's still a fantastic film that I really enjoy. But, the ending does take the film down a few notches. It takes what would have been a great A+ daikaiju film, and makes it an average B. It's certainly not a bad film by any stretch, but it could have been much better.
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