The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Goji » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:02 pm

Gojira-Fan wrote:Yeah, the ending is probably the biggest reason I didn't like the movie.


So, the ending completely ruins the movie for you?

Seriously? What about the rest of it?
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Sydney Aradi » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:27 pm

The ending for WOTG doesn't ruin the whole film for me. I do agree that it does feel tacked on (unlike the deaths of the Rodans due to the volcano in Rodan) but other than that, WOTG is an entertaining film to watch regardless of the ending
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:37 pm

The ending is not bad. It doesnt ruin anything, The battle scenes make up for it.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GodzillaDude » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:45 pm

The ending felt disappointing and anti-climatic to me, but it doesn't stop me from loving the movie and the characters of Gaira and Sanda.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:49 pm

Giga Kaiju wrote:The ending is not bad. It doesnt ruin anything, The battle scenes make up for it.


I wouldn't say that. I would much rather have a film with average battle scenes and a proper ending, instead of a film with great battle scenes and no ending.

The ending of WoG doesn't ruin the entire film. It's still a fantastic film that I really enjoy. But, the ending does take the film down a few notches. It takes what would have been a great A+ daikaiju film, and makes it an average B. It's certainly not a bad film by any stretch, but it could have been much better.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Gojira-Fan » Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:57 pm

Goji wrote:
Gojira-Fan wrote:Yeah, the ending is probably the biggest reason I didn't like the movie.


So, the ending completely ruins the movie for you?

Seriously? What about the rest of it?


I didn't say that it completely ruined the movie for me. I said it was the biggest reason I didn't like the movie.

Other criticisms I have is the bland characterization for the characters and Russ Tamblyn's acting.

It wasn't a particularly memorable or engaging film for me. I watched it over a year ago, if I could remember some other reasons I didn't like it, I would tell you.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Carthormerr » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:51 pm

I have some slight confusion after watching this again recently. Most of my confusion might be in how they use the name"Frankenstein" within the context of the movie. When they show a flashback scene with Kumi Mizuno with a hairy humanoid, they refer to him as Frankenstein. Now considering the creature is hairy, I in the past assumed it was Sanda, but they called him Frankenstein, and in movie wise they didn't know either of the two gargantuas had existed at this point in the movie.

1) Was this a re-shoot, and supposed to be from Frankenstein Conquers the World, due to another actor (besides Nick Adams) playing the doctor?... And at the same time made Frankenstein hairy in the footage to make it fit better within the context of the movie?
2) Just Sanda?
3) Something else???
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Tyler » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:00 am

Just think of it as its own movie. It's an off shoot of the previous Frankenstein film but not a complete sequel.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby MaxRebo320 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:39 am

Tyler wrote:Just think of it as its own movie. It's an off shoot of the previous Frankenstein film but not a complete sequel.

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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby eabaker » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:02 pm

WotG was designed as a sequel to Frankenstein Conquers the World. but it was made in a time before home video, without any expectation that audiences would be watching the two films back to back and noting the disparities in continuity. So, essentially, they re-staged/re-wrote a bit oft he previous movie.

For continuity purposes, Sanda and Frankenstein are the same creature. The scenes of Sanda/Frankenstein as an infant in WotG are, in the context of that movie, essentially replacing the events of FCTW.

Kinda like the way that each Evil dead movie has the previous entries re-staged/summarized.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Captain Aktion » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:15 pm

eabaker wrote:WotG was designed as a sequel to Frankenstein Conquers the World. but it was made in a time before home video, without any expectation that audiences would be watching the two films back to back and noting the disparities in continuity. So, essentially, they re-staged/re-wrote a bit oft he previous movie.

For continuity purposes, Sanda and Frankenstein are the same creature. The scenes of Sanda/Frankenstein as an infant in WotG are, in the context of that movie, essentially replacing the events of FCTW.

Kinda like the way that each Evil dead movie has the previous entries re-staged/summarized.


I think that's probably the correct answer. However, I like that the door is open for interpretation.

I've pretty much always read it this way: The events of FCTW happened. Sanda grew from some left-over bit of Franky (maybe the severed hand?), was raised briefly in captivity as we see in the flashback (I guess they did still have the hand, right?) and was referred to as Frankenstein by this new team of scientists. Eventually, Sanda gets free and disappears, but along the way manages to leave a bit of himself somewhere in the sea which will eventually grow into Gaira.
Once Gaira shows up and Sanda returns to the scene, they realize that neither is really Frankenstein anymore, and as such begin referring to them as different creatures altogether.

If you like continuity, this seems to be the smoothest way to reconcile it all. Frankly, all it would take is one line, "Well, I guess neither of them is really Frankenstein anymore. Now they're some kind of...Gargantuas."
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Carthormerr » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:00 pm

eabaker wrote:For continuity purposes, Sanda and Frankenstein are the same creature. The scenes of Sanda/Frankenstein as an infant in WotG are, in the context of that movie, essentially replacing the events of FCTW.


Captain Aktion wrote:Sanda grew from some left-over bit of Franky (maybe the severed hand?), was raised briefly in captivity as we see in the flashback (I guess they did still have the hand, right?) and was referred to as Frankenstein by this new team of scientists. Eventually, Sanda gets free and disappears, but along the way manages to leave a bit of himself somewhere in the sea which will eventually grow into Gaira.
Once Gaira shows up and Sanda returns to the scene, they realize that neither is really Frankenstein anymore, and as such begin referring to them as different creatures altogether.

If you like continuity, this seems to be the smoothest way to reconcile it all. Frankly, all it would take is one line, "Well, I guess neither of them is really Frankenstein anymore. Now they're some kind of...Gargantuas."


eabaker you're probably right I suppose, but my mind just has to make some coherent timeline to the Showa era when watching them all through. I'll use Captain Aktion's reasoning next time I watch it.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby wrongnote85 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:43 pm

if the ending pissed you off and NOT 'the words get stuck in my throat' than i think you need to reevaluate your life.

best part of that song is when he shows up and grabs that bitch.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby eabaker » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:58 pm

wrongnote85 wrote:if the ending pissed you off and NOT 'the words get stuck in my throat' than i think you need to reevaluate your life.

best part of that song is when he shows up and grabs that bitch.


I have a strange fascination with that song. It's bad, sure, but it's so audaciously bad...

I mean, "If I had a hidden microphone inside of my heart/I would turn the power on/It would amplify my love for you and swear to always love you/And you'd never be gone"???

What the Christ? What the Devil? Who puts those words in that sequence and calls himself a songwriter? Who accepts money for having done such a thing?!
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby wrongnote85 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:01 pm

eabaker wrote:
wrongnote85 wrote:if the ending pissed you off and NOT 'the words get stuck in my throat' than i think you need to reevaluate your life.

best part of that song is when he shows up and grabs that bitch.


I have a strange fascination with that song. It's bad, sure, but it's so audaciously bad...

I mean, "If I had a hidden microphone inside of my heart/I would turn the power on/It would amplify my love for you and swear to always love you/And you'd never be gone"???

What the Christ? What the Devil? Who puts those words in that sequence and calls himself a songwriter? Who accepts money for having done such a thing?!



it's not as good as the king cesear song, thats for sure.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby The One and Only » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:10 pm

^I don't find the person who accepted the money for writing the crappy song stupid at all. It the person who wrote the freaking check for the tune that I have more problems with than the writer. Anyone can write any wacky thing they want to, but they shouldn't expect to get paid for it. It's when people pay for this stuff that gets my goat.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby eabaker » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:20 pm

The One and Only wrote:^I don't find the person who accepted the money for writing the crappy song stupid at all. It the person who wrote the freaking check for the tune that I have more problems with than the writer. Anyone can write any wacky thing they want to, but they shouldn't expect to get paid for it. It's when people pay for this stuff that gets my goat.


I was in no way suggesting that the songwriter was stupid. Evil maybe, but not stupid.
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Carthormerr » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:29 pm

wrongnote85 wrote:it's not as good as the king cesear song, thats for sure.


"Words Get Stuck in my Throat" is horrible nodoubtaboutit, and not even in the same league as King Caesar's song. The King Caesar tune is pretty doggone catchy if you ask me
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby Captain Aktion » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:35 pm

^Well...actually, I think that the surf-guitar riff in Words is pretty catchy too...

EDIT: C'mon, Devo dug it. http://youtu.be/bo_zfUnz4_M
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Re: The War of the Gargantuas (1966)

Postby eabaker » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:16 am

Captain Aktion wrote:^Well...actually, I think that the surf-guitar riff in Words is pretty catchy too...

EDIT: C'mon, Devo dug it. http://youtu.be/bo_zfUnz4_M



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