What If Toho Was Able To Use King Kong Again Post 62?

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Re: What If Toho Was Able To Use King Kong Again Post 62?

Postby UltramanGoji » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:21 pm

mikelcho wrote:
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UltramanGoji wrote:None of the literary sources I've looked through say that. I'm calling bullshit.


Yep, Wikipedia is not good enough on this one, especially without a cited source. Friendly reminder that the Wikipedia entry for DAM once stated that a song and dance routine for Minya was cut from that film.
It's in the Legacy section of the article, footnote #16.


What are you talking about? There's no "Legacy" section on Destroy All Monsters' Wikipedia page nor does footnote #16 lead to anything about Kong.
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Re: What If Toho Was Able To Use King Kong Again Post 62?

Postby mikelcho » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:21 am

The reference that I previously mentioned-Legacy section, footnote #16-is in the King Kong Escapes Wikipedia article. Sorry if I wasn't too clear.
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Re: What If Toho Was Able To Use King Kong Again Post 62?

Postby UltramanGoji » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:21 am

Alright, so it cites an article by August Ragone in an issue of Famous Monsters of Filmland...one that I happen to own actually. Ragone also mentions Ebirah and the Gargantuas being considered.

Honestly, it still reeks of bullshit to me. I’ve looked in Ragone’s own book as well as others and this article is the only place I’ve ever seen say that King Kong was considered for DAM.
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Postby KingKong2005 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:09 pm

Yeah i don't think Toho would consider King Kong if the knew the rights would revert after King Kong Escapes.
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Re: What If Toho Was Able To Use King Kong Again Post 62?

Postby mikelcho » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:23 am

UltramanGoji wrote:Alright, so it cites an article by August Ragone in an issue of Famous Monsters of Filmland...one that I happen to own actually. Ragone also mentions Ebirah and the Gargantuas being considered.

Honestly, it still reeks of bullshit to me. I’ve looked in Ragone’s own book as well as others and this article is the only place I’ve ever seen say that King Kong was considered for DAM.
Well, we all know that both Ebirah and Maguma were planned for DAM before they were replaced by Minilla, Anguirus and-at the very last minute-Gorosaurus. As for Sanda and Gaila, this is the first time that I've heard that both of them were considered. I knew from a recent article in G-Fan that Sanda had been considered, but I didn't even know about Gaila until now. Maybe they would've been the replacements for Kong if Kong couldn't have been used.
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Postby GojiDog » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:04 pm

The only ones I've ever heard that were supposed to be in DAM but but didn't make the final cut were Ebirah and Maguma.

But man oh man, if the Gargantuas had gotten in there. Oh what could have been?!

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Postby mikelcho » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:05 am

There are many reasons why Kong was absent from DAM, I think. Perhaps the rights were just too expensive. Perhaps the suit was in too bad a condition to be used again (however, given a third attempt at making it, Eiji Tsuburaya might've succeeded in making it look better than the other two were (at least to most fans)). Or perhaps Toho felt that Monsterland wasn't big enough for two monster stars (in this case, King Kong and Godzilla). In any case, I guess we'll never know.
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Postby MaxRebo320 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:44 am

mikelcho wrote:Perhaps the suit was in too bad a condition to be used again (however, given a third attempt at making it, Eiji Tsuburaya might've succeeded in making it look better than the other two were (at least to most fans)).

The Kong suit looked to be in OK condition by 1973-4 when he was used as "Gorilla" in Greenman, so I doubt it's condition little over a year after creation would have been deemed too bad to use.
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Postby _JNavs_ » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:58 am

That Kong suit is so damn creepy..
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Postby MaxRebo320 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:38 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:That Kong suit is so damn creepy..

Great with children though!
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Postby _JNavs_ » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:44 pm

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_JNavs_ wrote:That Kong suit is so damn creepy..

Great with children though!
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omg :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did all Japanese children actors wear those extremely short shorts?
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Postby Maritonic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:45 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:
MaxRebo320 wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:That Kong suit is so damn creepy..

Great with children though!
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omg :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did all Japanese children actors wear those extremely short shorts?


All children did in the 60's and 70's.
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Postby _JNavs_ » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:49 pm

Maritonic wrote:
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MaxRebo320 wrote:Great with children though!
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omg :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did all Japanese children actors wear those extremely short shorts?


All children did in the 60's and 70's.

I really didn't see too many American children actors wear them as prominently though, like almost every early kaiju film with kids as the main characters wore them lol

Edit: Oh you mean like in general it was just what kids wore at the time?
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Postby Maritonic » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:51 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:
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_JNavs_ wrote:omg :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did all Japanese children actors wear those extremely short shorts?


All children did in the 60's and 70's.

I really didn't see too many American children actors wear them as prominently though, like almost every early kaiju film with kids as the main characters wore them lol

Edit: Oh you mean like in general it was just what kids wore at the time?


Yes, I meant it was just what children wore at the time.
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Postby GojiDog » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:52 am

If Toho had been allowed to use Kong more than they did, I'm sure we would have gotten a Godzilla/Kong team up at some point.

In the 70s during Godzilla's superhero run, it would have been too hard to resist.

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Postby _JNavs_ » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:57 am

GojiDog wrote:If Toho had been allowed to use Kong more than they did, I'm sure we would have gotten a Godzilla/Kong team up at some point.

In the 70s during Godzilla's superhero run, it would have been too hard to resist.

Kong likely would have replaced Jet Jaguar in Godzilla vs Megalon
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Postby Terasawa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:05 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:
GojiDog wrote:If Toho had been allowed to use Kong more than they did, I'm sure we would have gotten a Godzilla/Kong team up at some point.

In the 70s during Godzilla's superhero run, it would have been too hard to resist.

Kong likely would have replaced Jet Jaguar in Godzilla vs Megalon


How do you figure that? Or is that just a joke referring to the German version where Jet Jaguar is named "King Kong?"
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Postby _JNavs_ » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:12 pm

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GojiDog wrote:If Toho had been allowed to use Kong more than they did, I'm sure we would have gotten a Godzilla/Kong team up at some point.

In the 70s during Godzilla's superhero run, it would have been too hard to resist.

Kong likely would have replaced Jet Jaguar in Godzilla vs Megalon


How do you figure that? Or is that just a joke referring to the German version where Jet Jaguar is named "King Kong?"

Both lol, but mainly I was thinking, Jet was a kids drawing brought to life from a contest right? Could it be possible that they originally had Kong lined up, but since the license couldn't be agreed to they decided to get a contest going?

I only said likely because I think he'd fit well in that film in the place of Jet. I probably could've worded it better.
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Postby edgaguirus » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:21 pm

mikelcho wrote:There are many reasons why Kong was absent from DAM, I think. Perhaps the rights were just too expensive.


You have your answer right there. Toho didn't want to pay that much money for one kaiju.
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Postby Terasawa » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:35 pm

_JNavs_ wrote:Both lol, but mainly I was thinking, Jet was a kids drawing brought to life from a contest right? Could it be possible that they originally had Kong lined up, but since the license couldn't be agreed to they decided to get a contest going?


There has never been any evidence that suggests that was ever a possibility. No English sources, no Japanese sources, nothing.
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