Talkback: Atragon (1963)

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Terasawa » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:29 pm

Manda is the best integrated in its film of all the "only in the movie because Tanaka wanted to cash in on Godzilla" kaiju. Manda then Mogera then Maguma lagging far behind.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Major sssspielberg! » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:08 pm

It's been years since I've seen this one. Loaned it to a friend and haven't got it back. One of my personal favorites tho. As @Terasawa said Manda is the best instance of a "Tanaka Kaiju" though I wish he'd had a little more to do. The soundtrack is excellent, my buddy actually turned one of the themes into a beat for me to freestyle to years ago! If you bear in mind the immensely rushed production scheduale the film is very impressive, though I can understand if some parts of the climax are a bit underwhelming for some. The Media Blasters dub is a skreeonking riot too. "Imma Gohst?!?!"
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Gothicserpent » Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 am

Just watched it.

Its bad.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby MaxRebo320 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:17 pm

Gothicserpent wrote:Just watched it.

Its bad.

You wanna elaborate on that, or is it just because Manda was hardly in it?
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Wed May 22, 2019 12:27 pm

It's a bit slow at times but there are some really great scenes that elevate the production.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Gothicserpent » Wed May 22, 2019 12:38 pm

MaxRebo320 wrote:
Gothicserpent wrote:Just watched it.

Its bad.

You wanna elaborate on that, or is it just because Manda was hardly in it?

Its slow, there's hardly any focus on Mu, the Atragon itself really doesn't do much, Manda feels like an afterthought, aside from the captain the characters are all forgettable, the climax is weak.

I will say that some of the effects work is great and I like how big the film feels, but that's really it.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Terasawa » Wed May 22, 2019 12:50 pm

Considering the entire movie was made in approximately three months this is one of the best Honda/Tsuburaya/Ifukube films.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Gothicserpent » Wed May 22, 2019 5:36 pm

Terasawa wrote:Considering the entire movie was made in approximately three months this is one of the best Honda/Tsuburaya/Ifukube films.

Just because it was made quickly and looks very good doesn't mean that it is.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby MaxRebo320 » Thu May 23, 2019 11:44 am

I will give you this, I do feel the movie is bloated with a few too many characters that wind up serving little to no purpose once they arrive on the island. I feel with minor adjustments, you could remove Yu Fujiki (As much as I love his chemistry with Takashima) and Hiroshi Koizumi (Likewise, that's how I feel about his character in Dogora) and have pretty much the same movie.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Joseph Goodman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:24 pm

What's the deal with the 1968 "revised" version of this film? Is it a short version a la the Champion Festival cuts?

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Terasawa » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:41 pm

Joseph Goodman wrote:What's the deal with the 1968 "revised" version of this film? Is it a short version a la the Champion Festival cuts?


I'm pretty sure it was re-released alongside DAM. VLC on my computer hates Toho Blu-ray discs so I can't confirm the runtime right this second but if I recall it's about 75 minutes, longer than most of the later Matsuri re-edits. It's a bonus feature on the 2009 Toho BD but only as an "HD blowup," which I think just means it's upconverted from a mid-2000s fuzzy SD transfer.

I think Toho edited the original negative for this re-release; every home video release of the film that I'm aware of uses the 1965 Toho logo instead of the early '60s TohoScope logo that was probably attached on its initial release. Also, Japanese Wikipedia mentions something about the original optical subtitles for the Red Satan scene having gone missing, although I think Toho has since found those and re-composited those elements for a more recent HD scan.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Joseph Goodman » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:50 pm

Terasawa wrote:I think Toho edited the original negative for this re-release; every home video release of the film that I'm aware of uses the 1965 Toho logo instead of the early '60s TohoScope logo that was probably attached on its initial release. Also, Japanese Wikipedia mentions something about the original optical subtitles for the Red Satan scene having gone missing, although I think Toho has since found those and re-composited those elements for a more recent HD scan.


Thanks for the info; I've seen speculation on Japanese Twitter that this was the case (the negative being cute), but nothing definite, and issues with this film haven't been mentioned in some of the interviews I've read discussing similar issues with other Toho films. What I've seen of the Toho Blu-ray does look kinda dupey in the same way MvsG and Monster Zero look, so that might be why.


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