Talkback: Atragon (1963)

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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby Crimson_Raptor » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:19 am

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Main Site wrote:... When Toho released... Atragon in 1963, the name... was... "Gotengo"... When AIP acquired the license in 1965, they.... shortened the name to simply "Atragon". Decades later, the Super-Famicom game Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters featured... a secret character... called... "Gouten". In 2004... the ship went through a English name change, as Toho began to use Gotengo as its official English title. ...the video game Godzilla: Unleashed, the ship was again briefly referred to as the "Atoragon".

Ah, but you forgot to mention the significance of the Original Video Animation of Super Atragon by Toho.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/anime/super_atragon.htm

How does this nomenclature fit into the history of Gotengo to Atragon and back again?
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby o.supreme » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:54 am

^ Actually I didn't forget it. I think when the article was submitted to TK staff however this portion was edited out because they were trying for a more character driven entry than name driven. Even though the drill ship in Super Atragon shares the same name and a smimiliar story, I guess they are not supposed ot be the same "character" (or vessel if upi will). Recall as I stated earlier, I wanted the entries for Gotengo & Goten to be one, but the site staff decided on making it two. I wish the Anime portion of my entry would have stayed in, but It is what it is. The name variation of all things concerning Gotengo has fasinated me for a lnog time, thus the need to try to make sense of it all, even still, with everything on the table, it is quite confusing.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby eabaker » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:07 am

My understanding - and I cannot for the life of me remember where I read this, but I'll check some of my reference books when I get home - is that the name "Atragon" was something Toho devised as an alternate name for Manda, thinking that English-speaking audiences would recognize it as a portmanteau of "Atlantis" and "Dragon," but that someone on the distribution end got it mixed up and applied the name to the ship rather than to the monster.

Like I say, I can't remember my source, so this information may be the fecal matter of Taurus.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby Goji » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:38 pm

^ I've actually heard that before too, but I can't remember for the life of me where..
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby Arbok » Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:26 pm

eabaker wrote:My understanding - and I cannot for the life of me remember where I read this, but I'll check some of my reference books when I get home - is that the name "Atragon" was something Toho devised as an alternate name for Manda, thinking that English-speaking audiences would recognize it as a portmanteau of "Atlantis" and "Dragon," but that someone on the distribution end got it mixed up and applied the name to the ship rather than to the monster.

Like I say, I can't remember my source, so this information may be the fecal matter of Taurus.


That makes so much sense that I want to smack myself if it comes from a credible source. Do you know where the source for it might have been? Most everything I have read has stated it being a mixture of "Atomic" and "Dragon", and the atomic aspect was mentioned several times in a few markets ala this:

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When Toho went to dub the film, they called the ship Gotengo and called the Mu guardian by Manda, so both of their current names stand. However, they coined the name "Atoragon" for the film and it slipped its way into a name for the sub itself.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby Crimson_Raptor » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:09 pm

it may be in the of the earlier issues of G-Fan. Steve Ryfle may have penned it.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby eabaker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:11 pm

Crimson_Raptor wrote:it may be in the of the earlier issues of G-Fan. Steve Ryfle may have penned it.


Yeah, I checked my books this weekend and couldn't find any references to this, so I suspect it was in G-Fan.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby Goji » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:49 am

^ Are we talking about the "Atoragon" name? Because that's Toho's international title for the 1963 film, meaning they came up with it back in those days.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby eabaker » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:48 pm

Goji wrote:^ Are we talking about the "Atoragon" name? Because that's Toho's international title for the 1963 film, meaning they came up with it back in those days.


Yeah, we're all in agreement that Toho gave it that name, the question is just what Toho originally intended the name to refer to.
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby o.supreme » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:05 pm

I wish G-Fan had an extensive on-line article referrence guide (more than the simple descriptions they have now). I have issues from #10-#100, but not nearly the amount of time needed to page through each one. Heck I can't even remember which issues contain articles & letters I contributed :lol: .
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Re: Atragon/Gotengo - why two names?

Postby eabaker » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:10 pm

o.supreme wrote:I wish G-Fan had an extensive on-line article referrence guide (more than the simple descriptions they have now). I have issues from #10-#100, but not nearly the amount of time needed to page through each one. Heck I can't even remember which issues contain articles & e-mails I contributed :lol: .


Ditto. I have to check online to remember what issues I had articles/stories published in, and I have no idea which issues I had letters in.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Arbok » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:00 am

Rewatching this film (my habit when I update things for the site), one thing kind of stood out for me: why did they use the Mysterian command ship stock footage shot?

I realize it was meant to represent mankind's advance search for the Mu (which I don't feel was even needed, since we use conventional weapons against the Mu empire besides the Gotengo; in fact, showing the interstellar bases kind of undermines that the Mu are supposed to be advanced)... but why the Mysterians? Why not one of the ships from Gorath? Or did they really assume people had kind of forgotten The Mysterians by this point in time?
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Terasawa » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:05 pm

Maybe it was a shot that someone (Tsuburaya?) was especially proud of.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Space Hunter M » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:10 pm

It was obviously meant to represent the U.N. ICS from King Kong vs. Godzilla.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby MaxRebo320 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:00 pm

Space Hunter M wrote:It was obviously meant to represent the U.N. ICS from King Kong vs. Godzilla.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Ookondru99 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:10 am

I like this movie. Wasn't really impressed when I first saw it, but after coming to terms that it wasn't much of a kaiju flick I've begun to appreciate it more and more with each viewing.
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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby Gamera vs Rodan » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:50 am

I really liked this one. It had so many cool, different ideas going on. I can agree it could have used more action but what's there is well done.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby KaijuAlertSystem » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:49 pm

I really like the Atragon itself. I think it's a pretty neat vessel.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby H-Man » Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:27 am

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boring. The action scenes fall flat, and all the destruction MU causes around the world is never shown. Those would've been great sequences, but we never got them.


Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of this film, either. It's one of my least favorite Toho films ever, for the same reasons you mentioned.

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Re: Talkback: Atragon (1963)

Postby 20th Century Boy » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:36 pm

One of Toho's early golden gems. I love the musical score (which is one of Ifukube's most underrated scores) and the themes of nationalism. I didn't like the inclusion of Manda, though. The scene should've either been extended and had better significance to the plot, or just removed altogether.


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