Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

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Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby gigan72 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:09 pm

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Discuss the villainous Goliath from Daigoro vs. Goliath.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:08 pm

I did watch Daigoro Vs. Goliath and boy was it a trip of goofiness that I won't forget. But aside from the film's bizarre characters, Daigoro's goofy and adorable design that doesn't compare to Baragon's levels of cuteness. The one thing this film has that I admire was Goliath.

Goliath's design, while pretty simple, is pretty cool. It's got a brutish look to it (despite his face being all derpy), and he and Daigoro both look like they all fit into the Ultraman universe then in the Godzilla universe.

Since Goliath is still a very obscure Kaiju that is probably even more obscure then Black Moth, Maguma and the Giant Condor, I feel that he should earn some love.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:16 pm

I've seen most of the film on youtube, and it's a film you'll find amusing or bad. Goliath's design is allright, but isn't that appealing. The monster's potrayal, however, was good. Goliath was a brutish and arrogant kaiju, just perfect for the film.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:16 am

edgaguirus wrote:I've seen most of the film on youtube, and it's a film you'll find amusing or bad. Goliath's design is allright, but isn't that appealing. The monster's potrayal, however, was good. Goliath was a brutish and arrogant kaiju, just perfect for the film.

I saw the film and it was... Weird. But for some reason, I can't help but like Goliath every time I look at him.

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What I noticed in the film that I don't think allot of people remembered is the moment of the scene when Goliath show up, his horn lit up and changed the weather from a blizzard to a sunny day. Don't believe me? Get a load of this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rBN6nzGtXio (Skip to 46:45)

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It's a shame nobody is talking in this thread, because I think there are allot of things to discuss about Goliath.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:39 am

Goliath was lamer than Gabara. And is just a lamer Gabara. Kids movie excuses aside he's not memorable and isn't threatening. IIRC there's a scene where a guy is riding Goliaths horn. It's not scary at all.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:55 am

LSD Jellyfish wrote:Goliath was lamer than Gabara. And is just a lamer Gabara. Kids movie excuses aside he's not memorable and isn't threatening. IIRC there's a scene where a guy is riding Goliaths horn. It's not scary at all.

Well not all Kaijus have to be scary. Like I used to be afraid of Hedorah, but nowadays, I don't find him as creepy as the Blob.

But aside from that, I'm just someone who likes unmemorable, obscured and forgotten Kaijus.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:01 pm

soulgodzilla wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:Goliath was lamer than Gabara. And is just a lamer Gabara. Kids movie excuses aside he's not memorable and isn't threatening. IIRC there's a scene where a guy is riding Goliaths horn. It's not scary at all.

Well not all Kaijus have to be scary. Like I used to be afraid of Hedorah, but nowadays, I don't find him as creepy as the Blob.

But aside from that, I'm just someone who likes unmemorable, obscured and forgotten Kaijus.

Hedorah is still scary thematically, and yes still scary.

Gorosaurus, Manda, baragon etc, are all short lived kaiju but are way cooler and more memorable. Goliath is nothing, he's a generic brute bully kaiju. Even Gabara is a million times more memorable and more interesting. And yes, not all kaijus have to be scary, but I'm the context of the film he's meant to be an opposing and scary force but isn't.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:30 am

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LSD Jellyfish wrote:Goliath was lamer than Gabara. And is just a lamer Gabara. Kids movie excuses aside he's not memorable and isn't threatening. IIRC there's a scene where a guy is riding Goliaths horn. It's not scary at all.

Well not all Kaijus have to be scary. Like I used to be afraid of Hedorah, but nowadays, I don't find him as creepy as the Blob.

But aside from that, I'm just someone who likes unmemorable, obscured and forgotten Kaijus.

Hedorah is still scary thematically, and yes still scary.

Gorosaurus, Manda, baragon etc, are all short lived kaiju but are way cooler and more memorable. Goliath is nothing, he's a generic brute bully kaiju. Even Gabara is a million times more memorable and more interesting. And yes, not all kaijus have to be scary, but I'm the context of the film he's meant to be an opposing and scary force but isn't.

Gorosaurus, Manda, Baragon and Gabara I can agree with you. I can totally agree that they're more recognized then Goliath. Yet there's just this feeling about Goliath that makes me like him almost as much as Gorosaurus, Manda and Baragon.

Maybe it's because I started to like him a little more when I got my hands on both of these rare figures at G-Fest. The more I look at the figure, the more and more I start liking Goliath. Image
What the figures look like, can't remember what company made it.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby GodzillaFan1990's » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:38 am

soulgodzilla wrote:I did watch Daigoro Vs. Goliath and boy was it a trip of goofiness that I won't forget. But aside from the film's bizarre characters, Daigoro's goofy and adorable design that doesn't compare to Baragon's levels of cuteness. The one thing this film has that I admire was Goliath.

Goliath's design, while pretty simple, is pretty cool. It's got a brutish look to it (despite his face being all derpy), and he and Daigoro both look like they all fit into the Ultraman universe then in the Godzilla universe.

Since Goliath is still a very obscure Kaiju that is probably even more obscure then Black Moth, Maguma and the Giant Condor, I feel that he should earn some love.

The fact Daigoro vs. Goliath was done by the company that made Ultraman while being distributed by Toho and the fact Ultraman is actually mentioned in a piece of dialogue in the movie leads me to believe the movie does in fact actually take place in the Ultraman series.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:35 am

I can see that, Daigoro and Goliath being in the Ultraman universe more so then the Godzilla universe. Due to their designs being simple. (Aside from Goliath who's design seems to be more detailed then Daigoro.)
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:00 pm

soulgodzilla wrote:
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soulgodzilla wrote:Well not all Kaijus have to be scary. Like I used to be afraid of Hedorah, but nowadays, I don't find him as creepy as the Blob.

But aside from that, I'm just someone who likes unmemorable, obscured and forgotten Kaijus.

Hedorah is still scary thematically, and yes still scary.

Gorosaurus, Manda, baragon etc, are all short lived kaiju but are way cooler and more memorable. Goliath is nothing, he's a generic brute bully kaiju. Even Gabara is a million times more memorable and more interesting. And yes, not all kaijus have to be scary, but I'm the context of the film he's meant to be an opposing and scary force but isn't.

Gorosaurus, Manda, Baragon and Gabara I can agree with you. I can totally agree that they're more recognized then Goliath. Yet there's just this feeling about Goliath that makes me like him almost as much as Gorosaurus, Manda and Baragon.

Maybe it's because I started to like him a little more when I got my hands on both of these rare figures at G-Fest. The more I look at the figure, the more and more I start liking Goliath. Image
What the figures look like, can't remember what company made it.


Okay, well to be fair those figures look awesome and I don't blame you for liking Goliath then.

I have a small blue gorosaurus figure which I feel the same way about.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:01 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:
soulgodzilla wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:Hedorah is still scary thematically, and yes still scary.

Gorosaurus, Manda, baragon etc, are all short lived kaiju but are way cooler and more memorable. Goliath is nothing, he's a generic brute bully kaiju. Even Gabara is a million times more memorable and more interesting. And yes, not all kaijus have to be scary, but I'm the context of the film he's meant to be an opposing and scary force but isn't.

Gorosaurus, Manda, Baragon and Gabara I can agree with you. I can totally agree that they're more recognized then Goliath. Yet there's just this feeling about Goliath that makes me like him almost as much as Gorosaurus, Manda and Baragon.

Maybe it's because I started to like him a little more when I got my hands on both of these rare figures at G-Fest. The more I look at the figure, the more and more I start liking Goliath. Image
What the figures look like, can't remember what company made it.


Okay, well to be fair those figures look awesome and I don't blame you for liking Goliath then.

I have a small blue gorosaurus figure which I feel the same way about.

You don't need to blame me on anything. We have our opinions, I like forgotten Kaijus like Goliath, Black Moth, Balkzardan, etc. You like whatever Kaijus you like, we can tolerate as long as we respect each other.

So I'm assuming you grown attached to Gorosaurus because of that tiny blue Gorosaurus. If so, that's cool!
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby LamangoKaijura » Sat Oct 15, 2016 4:33 pm

Well the fact Daigoro and Goliath keep popping up in the Ultraman Puppet Shows at UltraLand...
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:59 pm

LamangoKaijura wrote:Well the fact Daigoro and Goliath keep popping up in the Ultraman Puppet Shows at UltraLand...
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Huh... never knew they were in the Ultraman Puppet Shows.

But they really need to appear in a Ultraman show at some point.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby LamangoKaijura » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:39 pm

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LamangoKaijura wrote:Well the fact Daigoro and Goliath keep popping up in the Ultraman Puppet Shows at UltraLand...
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Huh... never knew they were in the Ultraman Puppet Shows.

But they really need to appear in a Ultraman show at some point.

Oh yeah, for a while, a bunch of puppets were decorating UltraLand. Goliath was hanging out with a few other Ultra Kaijus. And it was before Bem-P was introduced.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby soulgodzilla » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:16 am

LamangoKaijura wrote:
soulgodzilla wrote:
LamangoKaijura wrote:Well the fact Daigoro and Goliath keep popping up in the Ultraman Puppet Shows at UltraLand...
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Huh... never knew they were in the Ultraman Puppet Shows.

But they really need to appear in a Ultraman show at some point.

Oh yeah, for a while, a bunch of puppets were decorating UltraLand. Goliath was hanging out with a few other Ultra Kaijus. And it was before Bem-P was introduced.

Interesting. Wonder if anyone will recognize him.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

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Good design ruined by a terrible, baggy suit.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby Gigantis » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:42 am

STUMPY LONG ARMED ALIEN RHINO LIZARD OF DOOOOOOOOM.

Just caught Daigoro vs. Goliath recently (on a YouTube video no less!) and i kinda grew to love this guy. There's not a lot of kaiju who are primarily blue and his rhino esc. design is nice. Too bad his suit could do it justice tho.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

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LSD Jellyfish wrote:Goliath was lamer than Gabara. And is just a lamer Gabara. Kids movie excuses aside he's not memorable and isn't threatening. IIRC there's a scene where a guy is riding Goliaths horn. It's not scary at all.


I realize this is from 4 years ago, and while I mostly agree, Goliath's entrance before popping out of the ocean was really well done. The movie up to that point was very wacky and uplifting, with Daigoro going on his usual antics while the people tried to help him out.

But suddenly, the usually placid Daigoro is standing by the shores of his island, snarling and roaring out at something churning beneath the raging seas. Lightning flashes and the weather becomes more and more unstable, while the locals of the island try to calm him down. No music - just the howling of wind. A very memorable sequence.
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Re: Monster Discussion #23: Goliath

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:19 pm

GigaBowserG wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:Goliath was lamer than Gabara. And is just a lamer Gabara. Kids movie excuses aside he's not memorable and isn't threatening. IIRC there's a scene where a guy is riding Goliaths horn. It's not scary at all.


I realize this is from 4 years ago, and while I mostly agree, Goliath's entrance before popping out of the ocean was really well done. The movie up to that point was very wacky and uplifting, with Daigoro going on his usual antics while the people tried to help him out.

But suddenly, the usually placid Daigoro is standing by the shores of his island, snarling and roaring out at something churning beneath the raging seas. Lightning flashes and the weather becomes more and more unstable, while the locals of the island try to calm him down. No music - just the howling of wind. A very memorable sequence.

Pretty much anything I read from over two years ago that I posted I usually disagree with and cringe -_-
Obviously Daigoro isn't intended to be nightmare fuel.

I'm watching the scene in question with Goliath coming out of the water. It's pretty good. The initial waterspout, the waves and the light, the wind and the menacing music that plays. For such a low budget it's fine, same goes for Goliath.
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