Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

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Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby gigan72 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:46 pm

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Discuss the lion type beast Black Moth from Latitude Zero. There was a previous thread, but it is gone.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:37 pm

Seems like a cool monster, would love to watch the movie someday, regardless of its small screentime, I'd just like to watch it move around and do stuff
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Ivo-goji » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:51 pm

The monster with the inexplicable name.

Seeing a Dr. Malic style villain with patchwork monsters like Black Moth go up against Godzilla would be interesting.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:25 pm

I haven't seen the movie, but I like the kaiju from what I know of it. A chimera with a human brain is an interesting idea.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:06 am

edgaguirus wrote:I haven't seen the movie, but I like the kaiju from what I know of it. A chimera with a human brain is an interesting idea.

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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Tyrant_Lizard_King » Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:56 pm

I'll forever call her Kroiga, Black Moth makes no sense. I know one is technically a translation of the other but Kroiga doesn't sound stupid.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby gigan72 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:02 am

I finally saw the film, and this monster just was kinda... there. It was a cool idea, but overall only existed fora small bit a the end. But the film was fun, such an insane movie. Loved it.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:46 am

This is one of two monsters, not counting the Giant Sea Snake, that I always forget exists. Even the likes of Shockris or the Giant Condor are more memorable to me.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby KaijuX » Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:13 am

Oh hey! I wrote two matches with her. :D #NotSponsored

TBH, I really dig Black Moth. We don't get that many mammalian kaiju in the Toho-multiverse, and this one has a crazy origin.
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Pity all she did was perch on a rocky cliff until the end of the movie. :lol:


And interesting find I've stumbled across is that Black Moth's Japanese name wouldn't be what you'd expect. From what I've found, it's either グリホン (Gurihon) or グリフォン (Gurifon); the former a variant of Griffon (in the same way Ghidorah (ギドラ [Gidora]) is simply a one-letter change from Hydra (ヒドラ [Hidora]), the latter literally meaning Griffon. I suppose they got the Black Moth name from the human captain, Kroiga. Which to my understanding, roughly translate to "Black Moth" (黒 [kuro] = Black; 蛾 [ga] = Moth).
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Dino-Mario » Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:39 pm

Have yet to see the film, so i can't really say much about him. Neat design though, and he's very amusing in the TK toons
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby KaijuX » Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:39 am

Actually, speaking of... What would Black Moth's gender be? For those who haven't seen the film, I'll put what I say next in spoiler tags. ;)
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So from what the film provides, Black Moth is a chimera of a lion's body, a vulture's (or condor's) wings and a human brain. On one hand, Black Moth is a creature with a LION'S body. The lion is male, whilst a lioness is female. But much like Biollante (a plant-clone of Godzilla with Erika's soul), Black Moth still retains the memories of Captain Kroiga and has a full conscious.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 7:42 am

KaijuX wrote:Actually, speaking of... What would Black Moth's gender be? For those who haven't seen the film, I'll put what I say next in spoiler tags. ;)
Spoiler:
So from what the film provides, Black Moth is a chimera of a lion's body, a vulture's (or condor's) wings and a human brain. On one hand, Black Moth is a creature with a LION'S body. The lion is male, whilst a lioness is female. But much like Biollante (a plant-clone of Godzilla with Erika's soul), Black Moth still retains the memories of Captain Kroiga and has a full conscious.


Clearly Black Moth is an clever analogy for gender identity! Few Toho films deal with such relevant social issues!
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Ivo-goji » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:30 pm

Black Moth's gender would be female, and her body would be biologically male.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Kubo » Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:10 pm

Transgender kaiju. How forward-thinking.

I like Black Moth, from what I've seen. I haven't gotten around to Latitude Zero yet, but eventually I will. Black Moth has always been that movie's point of intrigue for me. That, and Cesar Romero's killer mustache.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:01 pm

Kubo wrote:I haven't gotten around to Latitude Zero yet, but eventually I will. Black Moth has always been that movie's point of intrigue for me. That, and Cesar Romero's killer mustache.


Just a warning... Watching Latitude Zero for Black Moth is like watching Gorath for Maguma, or Atragon for Manda. The monster doesn't get a lot of screen time.

The imaginative sci fi technologies and matte work makes up for that, though.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby soulgodzilla » Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:58 pm

I'm starting to like Black Moth when I saw Latitude Zero. And while her design is simply just a griffon and she barely had any screen time, the idea of her being made by Koriga, a lion and a condor by Dr. Malik is weird and kinda made me feel bad for Koriga. Being betrayed, killed and turned into a monster. It made me wished that it succeeded on killing Malick. And while it did killed that bastard, it's a shame that it was crushed by a avalanche of boulders. :(

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TBH, I really dig Black Moth. We don't get that many mammalian kaiju in the Toho-multiverse, and this one has a crazy origin.
Spoiler:
Pity all she did was perch on a rocky cliff until the end of the movie. :lol:


And interesting find I've stumbled across is that Black Moth's Japanese name wouldn't be what you'd expect. From what I've found, it's either グリホン (Gurihon) or グリフォン (Gurifon); the former a variant of Griffon (in the same way Ghidorah (ギドラ [Gidora]) is simply a one-letter change from Hydra (ヒドラ [Hidora]), the latter literally meaning Griffon. I suppose they got the Black Moth name from the human captain, Kroiga. Which to my understanding, roughly translate to "Black Moth" (黒 [kuro] = Black; 蛾 [ga] = Moth).

i know man, Toho really needs to make more mammalian Kaijus and give the idea of reptiles, dinosaurs, dragons, insects and alien Kaijus a rest. Because that's all they make. We only have Black Moth and Maguma the only mammilian Kaijus made by Toho. And I don't count King Caesar as a Mammalian since he's more of a Golem

Also, I did read the match of Black Moth Vs. Maguma, and I must say you did an amazing job on that match. ;)
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Gothicserpent » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:09 pm

Like, how much screentime does she actually get?
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Arbok » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:41 pm

Gothicserpent wrote:Like, how much screentime does she actually get?


Well... you see the origin, i.e. on the operating table being created. If that counts, it adds a considerable chunk to the screentime.

If you mean after that part: I think you could describe her role to walking past Malik, roaring, flying up to a mountain... ignoring instructions and then flying down at the climax to attack the Black Shark sub. That's it. It's more screentime than Manda got in Atragon, but not nearly as memorable.

As for those talking about the name, we documented it here:

https://www.tohokingdom.com/articles/art_names.htm

In this case we actually asked Toho International and were given "Black Moth" as the preferred English name.
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Re: Monster Discussion #14: Black Moth

Postby Gothicserpent » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:03 pm

Arbok wrote:
Gothicserpent wrote:Like, how much screentime does she actually get?


Well... you see the origin, i.e. on the operating table being created. If that counts, it adds a considerable chunk to the screentime.

If you mean after that part: I think you could describe her role to walking past Malik, roaring, flying up to a mountain... ignoring instructions and then flying down at the climax to attack the Black Shark sub. That's it. It's more screentime than Manda got in Atragon, but not nearly as memorable.

As for those talking about the name, we documented it here:

https://www.tohokingdom.com/articles/art_names.htm

In this case we actually asked Toho International and were given "Black Moth" as the preferred English name.

Seems like a waste of a kaiju suit.
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