Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby DoctorMafune » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:07 pm

Gojira-Fan wrote:Now, I don't really collect toys, but how is him stating something is "incredibly silly" insulting?

Well, let's see... the next time you express an opinion, and someone calls it "incredibly silly," I wonder if you'll consider that an insult, or not?

And whether you would or not, quite frankly, I don't believe you're mystified by someone in that situation properly referring to it as an insult.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:15 pm

You're right, since Mike was being a dick first, you talking down to him accusing him of requiring therapy just makes you a shining avenger of fairness, right?

"Silly" is an adjective associated with small kids, circuses, bright colors, the three stooges, and general clownery. The fact that you've taken such offense to it when he could've used actual offensive words like stupid, retarded, dumb, pointless, etc. is mind blowing.

Also, I would be inclined to agree that a monster being more "powerful" is an incredibly shallow and superficial way to evaluate a monsters popularity. How many toys does Armor Mothra have, since that is pretty much the unanimously agreed upon defacto ultimate monster of ultimate power? Doesn't Minya or the young Godzillas from the Heisei films have tons of toys? What about Mothra larva?
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby DoctorMafune » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:23 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:You're right, since Mike was being a dick first, you talking down to him accusing him of requiring therapy just makes you a shining avenger of fairness, right?

"Silly" is an adjective associated with small kids, circuses, bright colors, the three stooges, and general clownery. The fact that you've taken such offense to it when he could've used actual offensive words like stupid, retarded, dumb, pointless, etc. is mind blowing.

Please don't pretend that if someone referred to one of your ideas as "incredibly silly," you wouldn't take offense. You're not fooling anyone.

TokyoVigilante wrote:Also, I would be inclined to agree that a monster being more "powerful" is an incredibly shallow and superficial way to evaluate a monsters popularity. How many toys does Armor Mothra have, since that is pretty much the unanimously agreed upon defacto ultimate monster of ultimate power? Doesn't Minya or the young Godzillas from the Heisei films have tons of toys? What about Mothra larva?

You can attack that point of view all you want, TV, but of course, that isn't what I said.

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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Lord Gappa » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:40 pm

So...just because someone disagrees with you and another person disagrees with you as well, they're "ganging up" on you? :roll:
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby DoctorMafune » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:47 pm

My feeling is that anyone else who wants to read through this exchange can draw his/her own conclusions.

I think it's time for that.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby DoctorMafune » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:32 pm

C'mon, guys... instead of continuing to bash each other, let's move the question of what makes monsters popular over to the other thread, and have some fun comparing notes with other people's ideas.

Hell, I even apologized over there. Sort of.

You don't have to like what I like, and vice versa. From here on out, I will try to disagree without being disagreeable.

See you on the other thread.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Kubo » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:37 pm

So about that giant daikaiju-eating spider...What's the deal with his eyes changing colors? They were when he rolled over on his back, but blueish when he was standing...seems like an intricate detail that Toho didn't normally apply to monsters.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby DoctorMafune » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:57 pm

Ah, well... I tried.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7318

With a tip of the hat to Robert Fulghum, these are the things I learned from this thread...

1. If you suggest that chili sometimes contains tomatoes, someone will tell you that saying that chili “is made out of tomatoes” is “incredibly silly.” (After all, everyone knows that chili is always made the same way, and it has nothing to do with tomatoes.)

2. If you object to the phrase “incredibly silly,” then you have a problem. There’s nothing anti-social about people who like to call other people’s (misquoted) ideas, “incredibly silly.”

3. Objecting to the term “incredibly silly” proves that you’re childish.

4. The way to demonstrate to a childish person the “mind-blowing” nature of objecting to words like “incredibly silly” is to use new words, like “incredibly shallow.” This is the essence of maturity.

5. If you point out, in some detail, that chili may well contain tomatoes, beans, spices and flour, and that in some chilis, the flavor of the tomatoes may add something integral to the mix, while in others, the spices or beans are probably more important, and in most, it’s the blend of ingredients that makes the chili, you will be told that your obsession with tomatoes is “incredibly superficial.”

6. If you object to being faulted by a third person — who only read what the other guys said — and who also takes issue with your apparent obsession with tomatoes, you will be reminded that they are not piling on... they’re just disagreeing with your obsession with tomatoes.

7. If you invite all these people over to a cook-off, to compare favorite chili recipes, they’ll prefer to stay here and complain about people who think that chili is based on tomatoes. “What is it based on?” “Who knows? Shut up, and let’s find some new ways to heckle the guy who’s obsessed with tomatoes.”

Enjoy the beans.

(For those who just joined us, the Great Tomato Exchange started on p. 2.)

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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Rody » Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:18 pm

Can we please stay on topic?
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Gojira-Fan » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:10 pm

Doctor Mafune, you're taking his comment way too personally.

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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby therealmccoy » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:29 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
King Caesar wrote:So about that giant daikaiju-eating spider...What's the deal with his eyes changing colors? They were when he rolled over on his back, but blueish when he was standing...seems like an intricate detail that Toho didn't normally apply to monsters.


They use that sometimes with bug type monsters, like how Battra's eyes grow dim when he dies.

They used it for Showa Mothra, too. Both when she died in Mothra vs. Godzilla and when she woke up in Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster. Plus both Showa and Millennium Kamacuras too, I think.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Kubo » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:14 am

Man, Kumonga was the only one I noticed. Lol wow I need to see some of these movies again.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Giga Kaiju » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:07 pm

Kumonga is an underated monster compared to MechaGodzilla, Gigan or Ghidorah but he makes fo it as a "Basic Monster"
not over the top powers or abilities like them just average. one of the Creepiest as well and more for whoever is an Arachcnophobic.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Rody » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:04 pm

Like Kamacuras, I've been recently wondering were Toho got the inspiration for Kumonga. Is his design completely original, or is he based off of a real species?

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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Berzerkgodzilla » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:12 pm

I always thought I her design as a mix of various spider species (And yes I called Kumonga a her, that's what I like to refer to KUmonga as due to female spider's generally being larger and more agressive)
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Destroyer » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:25 pm

I really like this monster. He takes the term 'spider' to a whole new level. Love the fact that he alone could take on the big G back in the day. Truly an underrated one.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Zilla103192 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:22 pm

You know, I have never REALLY given kumonga a thought.

I actually really like Kumonga. He is a bad ass kaiju. He is so simplistic, But really cool.

his mouth freaks me out though... :freak:
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:24 pm

I like Kumonga because it represents one of the great giant bug monsters in the Toho pantheon, seemingly controlling it's earthly domain while Ebirah prowls the sea and Mothra the sky. I often think of how awesome Monster Island would be as the backdrop to a Resident Evil 4/Shadow of The Colossus type of game, featuring these grisly giant arthropods, among other monsters Imagine just stumbling upon their resting place while wandering about as a human sized character. Toho really brought the competition when it came to giant bugs in movies. Kumonga is definitely the most ferocious giant bug in the roster, with the possible exception of mr. drillbits himself, Megalon, with all the electricity and napalm blasting and cockroach screaming and such.
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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Rody » Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:56 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Ebirah's a crustacean, not a bug. =/

Close enough. :P

Berzerkgodzilla wrote:I always thought I her design as a mix of various spider species (And yes I called Kumonga a her, that's what I like to refer to KUmonga as due to female spider's generally being larger and more agressive)

I do wonder about Kumonga's official gender. Is "it" automatically male?
Personally I think Kumonga would be a great choice for a female kaiju, for basically the same reason as Berzerkgodzilla.

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Re: Monster Discussion #22: Kumonga (Showa)

Postby Berzerkgodzilla » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:03 pm

Goddamn that would be scary.
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