Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby The Octopus » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:35 am

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Wed Dec 25, 2019 8:29 pm

I watched the Japanese version for the first time today and it's so much better than the US dubbed version that I grew up with. I've always regarded KKvG as one of my least favorite Godzilla films, but not any more. It's still not one of my absolute favorites, but I have a much greater appreciation for the movie now. I'd always heard that the US cut was butchered to pieces, but good lord... I thought they just cut a couple minutes out and threw in those annoying scenes with the American reporter. I didn't realize that half the goddamn scenes featuring the cast had been cut, trimming the movie down to pretty much just the monsters and anything directly pertaining to them. And while the original score isn't Ifukube's best, it's still a million times better than hearing the Creature From the Black Lagoon theme play while Godzilla and Kong fight.

I can now safely say that KKvG is a good film, which I've never said before. Not on par with Gojira or Mothra vs. Godzilla, but definitely in the upper half of the series, were I to go rank them all again. The US version, meanwhile, ranks right down at the bottom of the barrel with Emmerich's abortion, Godzilla vs. Megalon, Gigantis and the anime trilogy. I honestly think the US version of KKvG is as bad if not worse than Gigantis. The dubbing itself isn't horrible like it was in Gigantis, but the re-editing of the movie and the godawful new scenes make it a much, much, much less enjoyable viewing experience than the original cut.

Also, it's been said by many others, but Mr. Tako is a skreeonking gem and its a shame that Ichiro Arishima never stole the scene in another kaiju movie.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby ReiwaGodzilla » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:11 am

I love this movie, good humans, good soundtrack, good monsters, good and memorable scenes, good fight scenes, good message... the only thing i disliked a bit, was the convenient storm and the Giant Octopus scene, which the humans are attacking him, the effects aren't great, but since the movie is old, I'll ignore that.

I wish there was more Godzilla movies like that, it's so much fun, in my opinion, the humans in this movies are better or equal to the first movie.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby ReiwaGodzilla » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:19 am

Also, i love how Godzilla behaves in the movie, i love how he looks and i love how the movie treats him too, it's one of best Godzillas I've seen.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby eabaker » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:38 pm

ReiwaGodzilla wrote:Also, i love how Godzilla behaves in the movie, i love how he looks and i love how the movie treats him too, it's one of best Godzillas I've seen.


Yeah, this was one of the definitive versions of Godzilla himself for me as a kid. I love how, in what is largely such a comical movie, they still treat Godzilla very seriously, and it doesn't seem jarring at all.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby ReiwaGodzilla » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:18 pm

eabaker wrote:
ReiwaGodzilla wrote:Also, i love how Godzilla behaves in the movie, i love how he looks and i love how the movie treats him too, it's one of best Godzillas I've seen.


Yeah, this was one of the definitive versions of Godzilla himself for me as a kid. I love how, in what is largely such a comical movie, they still treat Godzilla very seriously, and it doesn't seem jarring at all.


Oh, yes, i love the part where that kid says he wants to see Godzilla lol
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:38 am

ReiwaGodzilla wrote:
eabaker wrote:
ReiwaGodzilla wrote:Also, i love how Godzilla behaves in the movie, i love how he looks and i love how the movie treats him too, it's one of best Godzillas I've seen.


Yeah, this was one of the definitive versions of Godzilla himself for me as a kid. I love how, in what is largely such a comical movie, they still treat Godzilla very seriously, and it doesn't seem jarring at all.


Oh, yes, i love the part where that kid says he wants to see Godzilla lol

That scene serves to emphasis how the film is a parody of itself, ie bringing together two iconic monsters. More specifically the film is divided into two segments, with Kong’s “leads”(Tako and the explorers, being more comedic, in contrast to Godzilla’s narrative which is darker). The American cut guts a lot of this unfortunately.

However it also cuts a lot of scenes that make Godzilla more seriously. Mainly early on there’s a scene in the Japanese cut where one of the characters boards a naval boat to search for Godzilla. The boat goes missing later, only for the female character to worry sick and head to look for him as one of the survivors. He shows up later in front of the apartment (this is where the eggs drop). The scene is almost incomprehensible in the American cut.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby ReiwaGodzilla » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:24 am

LSD Jellyfish wrote:
ReiwaGodzilla wrote:
eabaker wrote:
Yeah, this was one of the definitive versions of Godzilla himself for me as a kid. I love how, in what is largely such a comical movie, they still treat Godzilla very seriously, and it doesn't seem jarring at all.


Oh, yes, i love the part where that kid says he wants to see Godzilla lol

That scene serves to emphasis how the film is a parody of itself, ie bringing together two iconic monsters. More specifically the film is divided into two segments, with Kong’s “leads”(Tako and the explorers, being more comedic, in contrast to Godzilla’s narrative which is darker). The American cut guts a lot of this unfortunately.

However it also cuts a lot of scenes that make Godzilla more seriously. Mainly early on there’s a scene in the Japanese cut where one of the characters boards a naval boat to search for Godzilla. The boat goes missing later, only for the female character to worry sick and head to look for him as one of the survivors. He shows up later in front of the apartment (this is where the eggs drop). The scene is almost incomprehensible in the American cut.


Oh, yes, i love that fact that it's a parody of itself. It's really disappointing that they cutted a lot of content that makes Godzilla more seriously, i hope they didn't cut that line of dialogue that says something like King Kong is just a normal animal, while Godzilla is a monster, that's easily one of my favorite lines of dialogue from Godzilla movies
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Space Hunter M » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:53 am

ReiwaGodzilla wrote:i hope they didn't cut that line of dialogue that says something like King Kong is just a normal animal, while Godzilla is a monster, that's easily one of my favorite lines of dialogue from Godzilla movies

This is not actually a real line. It's a fabrication from the '90s bootleg subtitles. The Japanese line is more or less the same as what Dr. Johnson says in the U.S. version:

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Kaltes-Herzeleid » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 am

Finally got around to watching the Japanese cut for the first time last night and didn't expect to like it as much as I did. The satire was wonderfully hilarious (and ahead of its time in my opinion) and served as a prelude to the greatness the next three movies would achieve in terms of quality. Though some of Godzilla and Kong's scenes felt a tad aimless at moments, final battle more than makes up for it. Speaking of which, I had forgotten how great the final fight was. Perfect combination of badass and funny when it needs to be. Loved those shots of them battling among the flames.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby HedorahIsBestGirl » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:36 am

Kaltes-Herzeleid wrote:Finally got around to watching the Japanese cut for the first time last night and didn't expect to like it as much as I did. The satire was wonderfully hilarious (and ahead of its time in my opinion) and served as a prelude to the greatness the next three movies would achieve in terms of quality. Though some of Godzilla and Kong's scenes felt a tad aimless at moments, final battle more than makes up for it. Speaking of which, I had forgotten how great the final fight was. Perfect combination of badass and funny when it needs to be. Loved those shots of them battling among the flames.

I felt exactly the same way. KKvG was among my least favorite Godzilla movies for most of my life but seeing the Japanese cut was a wholly different experience. Honestly, I think this is probably the Godzilla film where the Japanese version is the most superior to the "Americanized" version. "Godzilla, King of the Monsters!" was still a good movie in its own right despite being inferior to Gojira. "Gigantis the Fire-Monster" sucks pretty hard but Godzilla Raids Again wasn't all that great to begin with. "The Terror of Godzilla" neutered ToMG for sure (at least in the release I owned a VHS copy of, I know there are different dubs and edits) but I can still enjoy the movie. "Godzilla 1985" and "Godzilla 2000" arguably have better pacing than their Japanese counterparts. The Universal version of KKvG, however, really just strips away the soul of the movie. All of the great, fun satire and characterization is lost, the score is replaced with unfitting stock music and the pacing is destroyed. It's unfortunate that it took so long for a physical copy of the Japanese version to become available to Western fans.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:51 am

As somebody who's had both cuts for years it's probably heresy but I love both equally. While it shifts the intent of the film the American version is still functional as a scifi adventure flick with flourishes of comedy that work for me. For years I didn't care about this film but lately I've grown more affectionate toward it. There are some iffy effects moments (mostly things like kong's puppet not necessarily matching the suit all that well) but other than those small problems I think it's a helluva Godzilla film that has slowly made its way into my top 10.


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