Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Godzillian » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:37 pm

KingKaiju wrote:I never realized how funny this film was, until I saw the Japanese version a few years ago. Looking back at the US version, it makes sense as to why certain things look extra cheesy. I feel like they tried taking a movie that was almost a parody, and tried making it more serious than it needed to be. Some of the humor is great! I also get the impression that Toho was stilll king of unsure how to handle Godzilla and Kong, hence why they went the comedic route.

I think Honda said that the attitude when making it was to make a movie that was entertaining, not necessarily critically good. Luckily it succeeded in both aspects
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Grievous » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:04 pm

KingKaiju wrote:I never realized how funny this film was, until I saw the Japanese version a few years ago. Looking back at the US version, it makes sense as to why certain things look extra cheesy. I feel like they tried taking a movie that was almost a parody, and tried making it more serious than it needed to be. Some of the humor is great! I also get the impression that Toho was still king of unsure how to handle Godzilla and Kong, hence why they went the comedic route.

Well...the original Japanese version is an "Everyman Comedy with Kaiju" right?

I understand why they made the changes they did to the American version...
especially considering humor doesn't translate well from culture to culture.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Poe Ghostal » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:54 am

This may be old news here, but I just came across this old forum thread that includes a photo that is supposedly from a deleted scene from KKvG: http://kaijuphile.com/community/index.p ... lla.63345/

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Does anyone know if this was ever confirmed or debunked?
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby UltramanGoji » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:01 am

Looks more like a scene from Legendary Wolfman vs Godzilla.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Poe Ghostal » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:04 am

UltramanGoji wrote:Looks more like a scene from Legendary Wolfman vs Godzilla.


The first poster on that link specifically says it's not from that film. But again, I have no idea.

Also, that looks more like the legit KKvG suit than the one from Wolfman - that suit is good but not 100% the Kinggoji suit.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Terasawa » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:41 am

It’s definitely from KKvG: it’s seen in a Toho documentary in the Final Box collection.
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Postby Poe Ghostal » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:48 am

Terasawa wrote:It’s definitely from KKvG: it’s seen in a Toho documentary in the Final Box collection.


Oh that's awesome. Is the whole scene there, or just this photo?
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Terasawa » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:02 am

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Terasawa wrote:It’s definitely from KKvG: it’s seen in a Toho documentary in the Final Box collection.


Oh that's awesome. Is the whole scene there, or just this photo?


Sorry, I should have specified that. It's just this picture. I don't really speak Japanese so I'm not sure if anything is said about it while it's on screen. Eizo Kaimai, one of the monster suit makers from that period, otherwise seems to be talking about the construction of the '62 costume and this is one in a series of behind the scenes pictures of the suit.

It's "The Spirit of Godzilla" documentary for anyone with the Final Box that wants to check it out.
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Postby Poe Ghostal » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:13 am

Terasawa wrote:Sorry, I should have specified that. It's just this picture. I don't really speak Japanese so I'm not sure if anything is said about it while it's on screen. Eizo Kaimai, one of the monster suit makers from that period, otherwise seems to be talking about the construction of the '62 costume and this is one in a series of behind the scenes pictures of the suit.


Still really cool. Thanks for the info! :)

Now, does anyone know what book this image comes from?

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Postby mikelcho » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:29 pm

I was just wondering: now that Toho has restored some missing footage to King Kong vs. Godzilla, how much has the film been restored to in terms of completeness? 100%, 75%, 50%, what?

And what's the overall quality of the condition of this restoration, on a scale of 1 to 10?

This should be considered, I think, if we're ever going to get a Japanese subtitled version/American dubbed version any time soon (one can only hope, but I doubt it).
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:11 pm

Just rewatched the Japanese Version continuing my marathon of the series in chronological order.

-Tako, in the Japanese version kills it. The actor who plays him has a great comedic presence. It’s funny because he actually has a simple yet decent character arc. Throughout the film he’s continually scheming and doesn’t give up, only for in the final moments of the film to give up. It’s also great, because he’s actually pretty smart despite his anger and bumbling nature.

-Speaking of Tako, it feels like there’s two camps of protagonists. You have Tako and Sakurai, who treat everything like a joke, and then you have Fumiko and her boyfriend who exist in a mindset not too far from 1954. Contrast how Tako is annoyed by Godzilla, not scared at all, when he appears, while Fumiko has a bunch of dramatic moments worrying about destruction and her boyfriend possibly being lost at sea.

-Tako references an in universe Godzilla film being made.

-I noticed that Fumiko must have the worst luck in the world, and there’s strange parallels in the events of he film. First she’s on the train, and gets attacked by Godzilla, only for her boyfriend to save her. Then later, Kong attacks the train she is in, only for Kong to kidnap her and then be saved by her boyfriend. I really wonder if this was intentional.

-I’m jaded whether the explorers are intentionally portrayed as being explorative, and if it’s satirious or not. The scene where they give cigs to the natives of Pharoh Island could be a joke or not.

-There’s a line on the radio: “We must make it clear that King Kong is a real animal, whereas Godzilla is a monster born from radiation”. I found this interesting, because in this dialogue the word for animal, dobutsu, was used in regards to Kong. While of course, past films called Godzilla a monster, this dialogue paralleling him against Kong really emphasizes that Godzilla is an unnatural monster, and not just a large prehistoric creature.

-The movie does a good job at balancing the Godzilla and Kong plots, swapping back and forth and giving equal time to each monster.

Overall, a really solid entry in the series. I don’t get why people view this film in a lesser regard then the films following right after it. While I wish there was more destruction, and perhaps a bit more in the final confrontation, just because of the two names attached, it’s a really entertaining Godzilla film.

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Postby Gothicserpent » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:33 pm

I need to rewatch this. I remember it being really good and a lot of fun. I can see why some don't like it though. Its in between two fairly dark entries in the series.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:42 am

LSD Jellyfish wrote:-There’s a line on the radio: “We must make it clear that King Kong is a real animal, whereas Godzilla is a monster born from radiation”.


Right. With the lightning strikes to revive Kong after Godzilla tries to finish him off with his ray, it seemed like Mother Nature herself was helping the animal (natural) defeat the mutant (unnatural).

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Postby Zarm » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:28 pm

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LSD Jellyfish wrote:-There’s a line on the radio: “We must make it clear that King Kong is a real animal, whereas Godzilla is a monster born from radiation”.


Right. With the lightning strikes to revive Kong after Godzilla tries to finish him off with his ray, it seemed like Mother Nature herself was helping the animal (natural) defeat the mutant (unnatural).


Nice! I like that interpretation a lot.
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Postby Grunkle Sans » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:38 pm

It's been a long time since I've posted here.
Anyway, I just picked up this film for like $5 today, never got around to watching it and I think it was super good, didn't know there were 2 different versions though, US version was still entertaining.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Living Corpse » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:50 pm

Finally saw the Japanese version. I just can't get into this film. I don't know why. I will say though the Japanese one is better than the U.S. version. And with that, I have seen every King Kong film (at least till Godzilla vs Kong).

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Terasawa wrote:Sorry, I should have specified that. It's just this picture. I don't really speak Japanese so I'm not sure if anything is said about it while it's on screen. Eizo Kaimai, one of the monster suit makers from that period, otherwise seems to be talking about the construction of the '62 costume and this is one in a series of behind the scenes pictures of the suit.


Still really cool. Thanks for the info! :)

Now, does anyone know what book this image comes from?

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:57 am

I like that art work. The human gives the picture a nice sense of scale.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Dv-218 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:53 pm

I don't know if it was posted in the forums already, but Tadao Takashima, who played Osamu Sakurai in this movie, has passed away a day ago. RIP to an absolutely fantastic actor, his performance here was among the highlights for me besides Ichiro Arishima.

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Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:37 pm

Dv-218 wrote:I don't know if it was posted in the forums already, but Tadao Takashima, who played Osamu Sakurai in this movie, has passed away a day ago. RIP to an absolutely fantastic actor, his performance here was among the highlights for me besides Ichiro Arishima.

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