Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Billzilla1974 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:59 pm

This film is ok in my book, I still despise the moment when the American "scientist" says Godzilla has an impossibly small brain, although I wish Toho had the mind and budget to show the "Fossils in Japan that resemble Godzilla" during the Showa Era, I know the American "scientist" from the dub said it but still, it would've been cool to see.
Somehow I couldn't care less about what some people call "bad dubbing" I just can't see that many instances of it.
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This film delivers what it promises, King Kong duking it out with Godzilla, even if its not the greatest G film, it was a good comeback from 1955 that opened the door for the rest of the Godzilla Showa Era.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:24 am

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby scottzilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:45 pm

I watched this last night with my daughter and got so annoyed at all the stupid UN cut ins, now I realize they were added in later. I skipped over them because they're so gotdamn annoying and took forever.

Kong looks absolutely atrocious and Godzilla looks so stupid flailing his arms all the time, but the fight scenes are really fun to watch. I just can't take it seriously with how stupid they look, i'm sorry haha

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby eabaker » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:52 pm

scottzilla wrote:I just can't take it seriously


Convenient, then, that you're not supposed to take most of it seriously. With the exception of the Godzilla b-plot (because Kong is very much the a-plot until the two finally come together), the emphasis is on pretty broad comedy/satire, although the American cut does sometimes obscure this intent.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby scottzilla » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:56 pm

^ That's fair. I got the impression from all the cut ins that they were trying to make it something it wasn't.

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby MechaGoji Bro7503 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:41 pm

I just want the uncut Japanese version on dvd, the American version sucks.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Lain Of The Wired » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:12 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:Out of curiosity how many people on this site have seen the uncut Japanese version? I'm not trying to be snobby here, but I realized that there isn't an official release here for the original cut and even then still it's hard to come by.

The Japanese original is way better, there's no bullshit about Godzilla being dumb and the characters are better developed. There's some added snippets of Godzilla and Kong and in addition there's some completely removed scenes that enhance the threat of Godzilla.

I have and i disagree, solely because of the soundtrack
For example, when the octopus attacks and Kong explodes out of the water after getting blown up, those scenes play way better in the English dub with the added Creature score.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:38 am

Check out this old pic from 1977. Its from the re-release of King Kong vs Godzilla. You have actors in Godzilla and King Kong suits handing out pamphlets. That Godzilla suit was the same one used 2 years earlier in Terror of Mechagodzilla. That "King Kong" suit looks like something you would see at a used car dealership sale promo.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Zarm » Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:48 am

That is an insult to used car dealerships. They would never be caught dead with that thing. :)

(EDIT: Actually, it kinda look like a Yeti from the Troughton years of Doctor Who...)
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Gojira-Fan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:16 pm

This is a film I would say is good, but not great. However, it is also a super important film for setting the tone of the series going forward. This is the first time we are really to regard the monsters as silly (due to slapstick antics) as well as being human-like (in terms of the performances of the suit actor). This anthropomorphising of the monsters would continue for the majority of the Showa series.

The human scenes are decent as well. However, a lot of other Showa films surpass it in that area.

I can also actually tolerate the American version, surprisingly enough.

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:19 am

Finally got to see the Japanese version of this, and MAN what an improvement over the American version.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Zarm » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:11 am

Maritonic wrote:Finally got to see the Japanese version of this, and MAN what an improvement over the American version.


Absolutely. The lack of incredibly dry exposition makes a huge difference. Though I miss the strange pronunciation of 'Tarzan.' :)
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:13 am

Zarm wrote:
Maritonic wrote:Finally got to see the Japanese version of this, and MAN what an improvement over the American version.


Absolutely. The lack of incredibly dry exposition makes a huge difference. Though I miss the strange pronunciation of 'Tarzan.' :)


I found the most impactful change was the score. What a difference it makes, not having that (lovingly annoying) Creature From the Black Lagoon theme pop up every few moments. I LOVED the score for this film.

But I will agree with you about the "Tarzan" bit haha.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby eabaker » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:44 am

Maritonic wrote:
Zarm wrote:
Maritonic wrote:Finally got to see the Japanese version of this, and MAN what an improvement over the American version.


Absolutely. The lack of incredibly dry exposition makes a huge difference. Though I miss the strange pronunciation of 'Tarzan.' :)


I found the most impactful change was the score. What a difference it makes, not having that (lovingly annoying) Creature From the Black Lagoon theme pop up every few moments. I LOVED the score for this film.

But I will agree with you about the "Tarzan" bit haha.


The score works much better, the pace works much better, and by and large the comedy feels more purposeful.

Other than, obviously, "Tarz'n," the thing I like about the American version is the way that the submarine scenes are re-structured; there's more tension to the way they play in the U.S. cut. But, overall, the Japanese version is far superior.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Maritonic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:49 am

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Maritonic wrote:
Zarm wrote:
Absolutely. The lack of incredibly dry exposition makes a huge difference. Though I miss the strange pronunciation of 'Tarzan.' :)


I found the most impactful change was the score. What a difference it makes, not having that (lovingly annoying) Creature From the Black Lagoon theme pop up every few moments. I LOVED the score for this film.

But I will agree with you about the "Tarzan" bit haha.


The score works much better, the pace works much better, and by and large the comedy feels more purposeful.

Other than, obviously, "Tarz'n," the thing I like about the American version is the way that the submarine scenes are re-structured; there's more tension to the way they play in the U.S. cut. But, overall, the Japanese version is far superior.


It truly is far superior. I'm glad I finally got to see it. I'll agree with you about the American cut of the Submarine scenes.

I really can't get over the score. I absolutely loved it. I have to find a way to track it down.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby mikelcho » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:01 am

Maritonic wrote:
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Maritonic wrote:
I found the most impactful change was the score. What a difference it makes, not having that (lovingly annoying) Creature From the Black Lagoon theme pop up every few moments. I LOVED the score for this film.

But I will agree with you about the "Tarzan" bit haha.


The score works much better, the pace works much better, and by and large the comedy feels more purposeful.

Other than, obviously, "Tarz'n," the thing I like about the American version is the way that the submarine scenes are re-structured; there's more tension to the way they play in the U.S. cut. But, overall, the Japanese version is far superior.


It truly is far superior. I'm glad I finally got to see it. I'll agree with you about the American cut of the Submarine scenes.

I really can't get over the score. I absolutely loved it. I have to find a way to track it down.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Terasawa » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:05 pm

A very distinct kaiju bootlegger (big in the '90s but not so much now) is responsible for the garbage subtitles on most copies of the Japanese version. The German Blu-Ray release has accurate subs, they're just not English...

Honestly I didn't think much of the Japanese version until I saw the film with accurate subtitles. The jokes are more clever and the exposition makes sense. I think the common English subtitle track is mostly made up or based on the American version.

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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:24 am

Terasawa wrote:A very distinct kaiju bootlegger (big in the '90s but not so much now) is responsible for the garbage subtitles on most copies of the Japanese version. The German Blu-Ray release has accurate subs, they're just not English...

Honestly I didn't think much of the Japanese version until I saw the film with accurate subtitles. The jokes are more clever and the exposition makes sense. I think the common English subtitle track is mostly made up or based on the American version.

Just out of curiosity, how are the subtitles garbage?
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby King of the Monsters » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:24 am

LSD Jellyfish wrote:Just out of curiosity, how are the subtitles garbage?

I've always heard they're just completely made up at many points and not that accurate to the Japanese dialogue. I still find that they diverge pretty drastically from the dub script, and I personally still prefer watching the Japanese version with bad fansubs than watching the US version.
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Re: Talkback: King Kong vs. Godzilla (1962)

Postby Mr_Goji_and_Watch » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:10 pm

Yeah they reportedly just made up lines. You can probably ask SpaceHunterM for more detailed information, they were the first person I saw ever mention it and give an example of it.
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