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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:00 am
by Lain Of The Wired
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: At one point they explain the flares or bright lights can bring back horrifying memories to Godzilla about getting bombed by a atomic bomb.
I don't remember that part...

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:28 am
by Maritonic
Lain Of The Wired wrote:
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: At one point they explain the flares or bright lights can bring back horrifying memories to Godzilla about getting bombed by a atomic bomb.
I don't remember that part...

It's in the Japanese version, not sure if it's the in the dub. Definitely in there.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:38 am
by Lain Of The Wired
I have the combo DVD so I'll have to check it out when I'm not too terribly busy to watch a Toku movie.
The movie bored me so I'm not surprised I missed that

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:57 pm
by MechaGoji Bro7503
Maritonic wrote:
Lain Of The Wired wrote:
MechaGoji Bro7503 wrote: At one point they explain the flares or bright lights can bring back horrifying memories to Godzilla about getting bombed by a atomic bomb.
I don't remember that part...

It's in the Japanese version, not sure if it's the in the dub. Definitely in there.
Yeah the Japanese version. Its at the beginning where the dude from the first movie returns and he says that.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:49 am
by ZeppandonConfirmed
I personally enjoyed the Japanese version of Raids Again.

I mean, yes, it has it's fair share of flaws, but I personally enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the characters, they had a certain charm to them that makes me like them. The music is very underrated, and very creepy and I like that. And the fight scenes were very enjoyable! I also like the final scene of the film with the planes trapping Godzilla with ice. I found that to be pretty clever. Yeah, I enjoyed this film!

Gigantis the Fire Monster? Yeah, that's a different story.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:00 am
by Billzilla1974
I am getting this one on DVD on Monday, I have seen the movie online, but I want to give it a proper watch to see how the Japanese version holds up.
Gigantis sucks, it really does, but maybe the original version doesn't? :|

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:20 am
by Zarm
The best of the showa era, I don't think anyone would call it. But sucking? That, it definitely doesn't do.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:36 am
by Billzilla1974
I haven't seen the Japanese version to make a comparison, but the American edit isn't nearly as watchable as the other dubs of the golden age. I have heard that the plot is more pronounced in the original cut, and that Godzilla doesn't constantly roar like anguirus, which is a major pain in the ears to listen to in the Gigantis version.
Maybe sucks is bad choice of words but I still rather re-watch Godzilla vs the sea monster, despite my dislike of it, than see Gigantis the fire monster again.
I will wait till I get the DVD on Monday to see it in its unabridged Japanese version to give my two cents on it.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:11 am
by BlueGojira
Godzilla Raids Again was a very decent movie, and a very underrated one on that note. Plus, this movie had the first appearence of Anguirus- sorry, I mean GIGANTIS. The english version of this movie pretty much destroyed its reputation, and if it wasn't for it, this movie would probably be liked much better. There's even a couple of videos on YouTube describing how this is the worst out of all the Godzilla films. Honestly, more people should give this movie attention. And let it be good attention at that.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:58 pm
by edgaguirus
There are worse Godzilla movies. GRA starts slow, but the middle part picks up with the fight between Godzilla and Anguillas. Besides, it introduces Anguillas, and, if I've heard right, Americans like Anguillas.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:41 am
by Zarm
Other nations don't?

(I mean, I guess Americans in particular have always had a thing for scrappy underdogs, so that makes sense- I'd just never heard anything like that before).

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:36 am
by BlueGojira
Zarm wrote:Other nations don't?

(I mean, I guess Americans in particular have always had a thing for scrappy underdogs, so that makes sense- I'd just never heard anything like that before).

I know this is unrelated, but.. Scrappy... Underdogs? UnderDOGS?
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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:04 pm
by Zarm
Yes. Yes, I do know that. But that doesn't make it hurt any less... ;)

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:23 pm
by GodzillavsJason
BlueGojira, that has nothing to do with this topic. I don't want to see it again.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:26 am
by JAGzilla
I believe I've heard that Anguirus isn't popular in Japan, hence why he hasn't had a serious movie appearance since 1974, and often gets passed over for other monsters.

OT: I've really been wanting to rewatch the Japanese version. I'll most likely do that somewhere in the next few months.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:22 pm
by edgaguirus
The Japanese version is preferable to Gigantis.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:22 pm
by Dr. Professor
I just finished watching this movie for the first time in years, so here are my pros and cons.

Pros:
-The way Godzilla and Anguirus are introduced is pretty cool
-Introduces my favorite monster other than Godzilla
-The suit used for Anguirus looks really good, aside from the way his back kind of like flops around
-This movie established the tradition of having Godzilla fight other monsters
-Dr. Yamane returns for a scene
-The way Godzilla defeats Anguirus was pretty neat
-Trapping Godzilla in an avalanche was a rather creative and unique way to defeat him
-Pretty decent sound design

Cons:
-The film was rushed and it shows; it only came out about five months after Godzilla
-The music feels rather uninspired and is extremely forgettable
-Despite it only being the second film, the tone of the first is completely lost
-The characters are very, very dull and are not memorable in any way
-When Kobayashi dies, I feel nothing
-After the battle in Osaka, the characters pretty much act like nothing even happened, they just kind of go on with their lives until the end
-They're shown laughing and having a great time literally two scenes later
-While I did say the way they defeated Godzilla was creative and unique, the scene itself felt boring and went on for too long
-Godzilla's face looks painfully goofy
-The fight at the end is too fast and awkward, causing me to not even look forward to that

So overall this is probably my least favorite entry in the Godzilla series, which sucks because when I was getting ready to rewatch it today I was really hoping to like it more than most people do. I know I gave almost as many pros as I did cons, but the pros I gave don't really do much to improve the movie for me. I give Godzilla Raids Again a 1.5 out of 5.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:00 am
by Chrispy_G
Yeah, Gigantis is kind of a butchered mess. I don't even really consider the US version of "Godzilla Raids Again" as a Godzilla film at all....it is literally a Godzilla film utterly re-purposed into something else.

The real film, the Japanese cut.....I think it gets a lot of undeserved hate(Stemming from the US version being abysmal).....It feels like a pretty legitimate sequel to the original. You can even argue that it still keeps the relatively "grounded" nature of the original. No magic or alien invaders or mystical faeries yet. I think it's quite under-rated in a lot of ways.

It also is the first film ever to establish the 'Godzilla fighting another monster' plot-line that the entire franchise became identified by.

Like all of the first/early entries of every era....it still maintains a feeling of "They were trying to make a film, not just a movie" with a sense of being its own thing and existing in its own interesting way and doing something unique at the time. Once any era gets to the 'one movie a year' regular quota...they just begin to feel more like churned out product..."Annual monster mashes" that follow the formula previously laid out.

Godzilla is the unique start, Raids Again did something interesting pitting him against another monster, King Kong was that same concept on steroids by using another monster icon. Everything after was largely a variation on what King Kong vs Godzilla did so successfully...with the only real change being the ultimately terrible decision to start to veer Godzilla towards being a superhero.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:05 pm
by Mini-Godzilla
The only significant problem I have with the film is the pacing, especially near the end. We really didn't need three scenes of people flying planes over Godzilla and causing avalanches. And if I'm nitpicking, the movie really, really tones down the horror from the first movie. The monsters kill hardly anyone, and while Osaka suffers a little damage to its coastline businesses, it's hardly the atomic holocaust that Tokyo experienced in the first film. That said, I do like the film, and I especially love the scene in which Kobayashi manages to attend two dinner parties at once. I'm convinced that the problems could have been ironed out if Toho would have waited until they could get Ishiro Honda back on the project.

Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:29 pm
by BARAGONBREH
Very poorly made movie. One of the worst 5 Godzilla films of all time in my correct opinion.