Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby InnocentClarke » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:08 pm

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Aha, but you seem to hate almost all of the Showa films, so I'm not the least bit surprised you'd say that.
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OT: I actually have a strange fondness for this film that I can't quite put my finger on. I watched it again the other day and liked it an awful lot. I'm sure it helps that I've always liked Angilas/Anguiras/whateverthehellnameyouwantforhim, and that I appreciate the animalistic nature of the monster battle. You don't see a fight like that for the rest of the franchise, with the following movies all having pretty silly (though undoubtedly fun) monster battles instead. The speed at which the battle takes place is also quite nice, and gives the film some energy.

Don't get me wrong, I see it's flaws, both in tone and pacing (not to mention Godzilla's suit is just... yeah...), but it doesn't bother me when watching it. The climax being in the middle doesn't make the last act feel underwhelming to me (now that I think about it, the same applies with Shin Godzilla), though the last act's needless length kind of does. Two passes to cause an avalanche, maybe, but three was a bit much. I dunno, the film nonetheless has a sort of charm to me, and it was nice to see Hiroshi Koizumi in his first of, I think, 10 Toho film appearances. Professor Yamane being in it, if briefly, also pleases me.

Granted, I should say that almost no Godzilla film bores me. *cough*G14*cough* I don't know why, but even in some of the films that don't grab my attention as much, like The Return of Godzilla, I never find myself bored by them, so I suppose I'm hardly a good source of saying which films are and are not boring.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby three » Mon May 01, 2017 5:07 pm

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OT: I actually have a strange fondness for this film that I can't quite put my finger on. I watched it again the other day and liked it an awful lot.


maybe i can put my finger on it: there's a certain eeriness to the whole film that evokes a sense of something returning. there are moments, such as those when Godzilla approaches the shore and is momentarily hypnotized by flairs which cascade into the ocean that couple well with the soundtrack to create a sense of foreboding.

i really don't know how much of it was actually intentional, but everything in the film feels like it's there to be ruined later. you get a stormclouds on the horizon vibe from the movie that delivers painfully throughout.


The climax being in the middle doesn't make the last act feel underwhelming to me


the climax is meant to be the center. ;)

nah, but what i mean is if the great battle served as the closure, it wouldn't really be "closure". in going with what i said above, Godzilla couldn't die this time. leaving him alive despite all efforts drives home the futility of so many actions that justify a sequel to the first movie. even with Godzilla "killed", another will rise, another will return.
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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby InnocentClarke » Mon May 01, 2017 7:04 pm

three wrote:maybe i can put my finger on it: there's a certain eeriness to the whole film that evokes a sense of something returning. there are moments, such as those when Godzilla approaches the shore and is momentarily hypnotized by flairs which cascade into the ocean that couple well with the soundtrack to create a sense of foreboding.

i really don't know how much of it was actually intentional, but everything in the film feels like it's there to be ruined later. you get a stormclouds on the horizon vibe from the movie that delivers painfully throughout.

That sounds about right. While not as dark tonally as the first film, GRA still has an almost apocalyptic quality about it, a feeling of dread that permeates a lot of the scenes. Something about that just speaks to me, just as the dark look of the first half of Terror of Mechagodzilla genuinely excited me the first time I saw it. Same applies to Return of Godzilla, now that I think about it.


three wrote:the climax is meant to be the center. ;)

Not necessarily, unless you climaxing during sex is you being half way through (and that's impressive if so). Same principle applies here; the climax can be at the end just fine. Also, yes, I do like to ruin people's jokes. :P

three wrote:what i mean is if the great battle served as the closure, it wouldn't really be "closure". in going with what i said above, Godzilla couldn't die this time. leaving him alive despite all efforts drives home the futility of so many actions that justify a sequel to the first movie. even with Godzilla "killed", another will rise, another will return.

I concur. It's refreshing that they didn't try to make another Oxygen Destroyer or anything like that. They realised they didn't have a proper weapon to take him down, so some luck and ingenuity saved the day... at least for a while. Good thing they didn't kill him, too, considering all the aliens and other monsters that tried to destroy the world later. Regardless, it's a thematically appropriate choice to be unable to kill him permanently, something pulled off well (at least to me) in Shin Godzilla. All they did is postpone his inevitable return.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby Gojira-Fan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:04 pm

This film is probably my least favorite of the Showa series, if not the entire series.

It just comes across as so boring to me. The characters are boring (and a lot of the film's runtime is dedicated to them). The film seems to crawl at a snail's pace.

Granted, the attack on Osaka and the subsequent fight between Godzilla and Anguirus is nice. There are some definitely some nice FX shots.

But it just doesn't make up for the rest of the film.

It's really strange, because I love the Showa series (it is my favorite out of all of them) and I think I enjoy every single Showa film other than this one.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby GalacticPetey » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:19 pm

Gojira-Fan wrote:This film is probably my least favorite of the Showa series, if not the entire series.

It just comes across as so boring to me. The characters are boring (and a lot of the film's runtime is dedicated to them). The film seems to crawl at a snail's pace.

Granted, the attack on Osaka and the subsequent fight between Godzilla and Anguirus is nice. There are some definitely some nice FX shots.

But it just doesn't make up for the rest of the film.

It's really strange, because I love the Showa series (it is my favorite out of all of them) and I think I enjoy every single Showa film other than this one.

I've always thought of this film as very "prototype-y". From the sound effects to he story structure. It's the first Godzilla sequel and it was very rushed. They had the idea of Godzilla fighting an enemy monster but hadn't quite found the way to tell that kind of story. As a result we get an enemy monster who dies halfway through the film, which doesn't do wonders to a very slow paced movie. Anguirus is still cool though, but like I said, he feels very much like a "first attempt" at an enemy monster.

The lack of Honda and Ifukube certainly don't do this movie any favors either. And I usually like Sato's scores but it doesn't really do anything for me in this film.
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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby Gojira-Fan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:36 pm

GalacticPetey wrote:
Gojira-Fan wrote:This film is probably my least favorite of the Showa series, if not the entire series.

It just comes across as so boring to me. The characters are boring (and a lot of the film's runtime is dedicated to them). The film seems to crawl at a snail's pace.

Granted, the attack on Osaka and the subsequent fight between Godzilla and Anguirus is nice. There are some definitely some nice FX shots.

But it just doesn't make up for the rest of the film.

It's really strange, because I love the Showa series (it is my favorite out of all of them) and I think I enjoy every single Showa film other than this one.

I've always thought of this film as very "prototype-y". From the sound effects to he story structure. It's the first Godzilla sequel and it was very rushed. They had the idea of Godzilla fighting an enemy monster but hadn't quite found the way to tell that kind of story. As a result we get an enemy monster who dies halfway through the film, which doesn't do wonders to a very slow paced movie. Anguirus is still cool though, but like I said, he feels very much like a "first attempt" at an enemy monster.

The lack of Honda and Ifukube certainly don't do this movie any favors either. And I usually like Sato's scores but it doesn't really do anything for me in this film.


Yeah, it is a sort of outlier to the rest of the Showa series. The film is so rushed it cannot have the thought-provoking emotional themes the original does (which really sort of stands on its own). And it doesn't really feel connected (in terms of style) to the rest of the Showa era due to it being years about from a Showa era Godzilla film.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby Terasawa » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:56 pm

Sato's score (which I think even he realized later was not up to par) really drags this down for me. The same scenes play better in Gigantis when scored by Shefter, Sawtell, and others. Maybe an Ifukube score wouldn't have helped, but I do think a Sato score that doesn't try to emulate Ifukube would have.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby Grievous » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:58 pm

(All comments are referring to the Japanese cut only)

Well...I have to be honest & say I REALLY like this film.

While one could call it "Quickie Sequel" & move on...
Godzilla Raids Again is (IMO) a fine film in its own
right & introduces the concept of Godzilla fighting
other kaiju with his first ever rival (& eventual ally)
Anguirus.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby eabaker » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:18 pm

Grievous wrote:Well...I have to be honest & say I REALLY like this film.


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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby Grievous » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:25 pm

eabaker wrote:We should be friends.

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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby Godzillian » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:27 pm

While not a great entry I do find a lot to like with this one. Anyone else felt like the planes bombing Godzilla doesn't get enough love? It really has some great tension to it and some great shots. I love Godzilla roaring and firing one last blast of atomic breath just before being buried by the ice.
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Re: Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

Postby edgaguirus » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:24 pm

The bombing is a good scene. It brings a sense of purpose to the death of the pilot, and is a clever way of dealing with a monster that seems invincible.
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