Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby cmdmstudios » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:46 pm

I've actually done a reedit of this film not too long ago, not because I hate the original (I personally really enjoy the original film), but was just curious about a few what if's, as in 'what if the soundtrack was different', 'what if the editing was done in a more traditional style', etc, as well as just practicing my editing skills.

When you remove the animations, the flying sequence, and some other things, the film really does become quite dark, especially with changing out the soundtrack with Masaru Sato's earlier scores. While I'll still always love the original version, I am quite proud of what I've done.

Also, I managed to use the Titra dub, which I feel is a definite plus.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Space Hunter M » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:01 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
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Hybrid Gojira wrote: There is a reason Tomoyuki Tanaka said Banno "ruined Godzilla," and this movie is it.

Except he didn't actually say that.


The quote comes from Steve Ryfle, so if you have a better one, please share. Steve is pretty well respected for his work. I think the actual quote was "you ruined the Godzilla series," but that seems like kinda potato, "potatoh" kinda stuff to me.

https://youtu.be/N1dL7lA7bss?t=9m47s

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:22 pm

Space Hunter M wrote:
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Space Hunter M wrote:Except he didn't actually say that.


The quote comes from Steve Ryfle, so if you have a better one, please share. Steve is pretty well respected for his work. I think the actual quote was "you ruined the Godzilla series," but that seems like kinda potato, "potatoh" kinda stuff to me.

https://youtu.be/N1dL7lA7bss?t=9m47s


That's not exactly a rebuttal. He even says that Tanaka didn't like his take on the character.

And Steve ain't a god, BTW.


And when did I claim he was?
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Fishheads88 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:58 am

Godzilla freakin flys! What's not to like.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby godzillalives88 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:00 am

There was a time in my mid-teens when I wished the flying scene and Godzilla dancing in Monster Zero had been edited out, but now I embrace them. Hedorah's tone is already so schizophrenic that snipping that scene wouldn't change a whole lot. And as eabaker pointed out, Hedorah's charm is in its contradictions. It's simultaneously one of the darkest and one of the goofiest Godzilla films, and to try to push the movie further in one direction or the other would only serve to make it less interesting.

Also, my teenage desire to get people to take GvH and MZ "more seriously" was laughable in itself. So much angst!

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby daveblackeye15 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:57 am

Anyone follow the Kaijusaurus podcast? It's got a tiny following. Basically an older Godzilla fan shows a newer one every single Godzilla movie. Currently up to Godzilla vs Hedorah.

It's always very cool hearing a brand new fan take in these films. They did Godzilla vs Hedorah a few weeks ago and I'm listening to it now.

https://soundcloud.com/kaijusaurus/godzilla-vs-hedorah

I'm surprised they both really like it...just I do.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Goji » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:42 am

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
Space Hunter M wrote:And Steve ain't a god, BTW.


And when did I claim he was?


Well, you didn't, but it's this idea that these "Godzilla historians" can never, ever possibly be wrong about anything. The way this fandom looks up to them with puppy dog eyes, and takes all of their words as gospel, can be pretty nauseating.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby g2vd » Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:00 am

That fan myth is never going to freaking die.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Godzillian » Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:51 am

daveblackeye15 wrote:Anyone follow the Kaijusaurus podcast? It's got a tiny following. Basically an older Godzilla fan shows a newer one every single Godzilla movie. Currently up to Godzilla vs Hedorah.

It's always very cool hearing a brand new fan take in these films. They did Godzilla vs Hedorah a few weeks ago and I'm listening to it now.

https://soundcloud.com/kaijusaurus/godzilla-vs-hedorah

I'm surprised they both really like it...just I do.

They're an OK podcast. Gets annoying when they bring up social justice warrior type issues with the film's and they don't do their research
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:35 am

Goji wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:
Space Hunter M wrote:And Steve ain't a god, BTW.


And when did I claim he was?


Well, you didn't, but it's this idea that these "Godzilla historians" can never, ever possibly be wrong about anything. The way this fandom looks up to them with puppy dog eyes, and takes all of their words as gospel, can be pretty nauseating.


No one is taking anyone's word here as Gospel. Banno doesn't even deny the claim that Tanaka says he "ruined the Godzilla series" in the linked video; he says that Tanaka probably didn't like his movie. That doesn't refute anything I posted, does it? If you have another source, I'm all ears.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Godzillian » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:45 am

Banno doesn't even deny the claim that Tanaka says he "ruined the Godzilla series" in the linked video; he says that Tanaka probably didn't like his movie. That doesn't refute anything I posted, does it?

It does refute it. Bano said it surprised him that it was written in a book and that all Tanaka said was that he didn't like the changes Bano made to Godzillas character. He even got the OK to do the flying scene from Tanakas agent who in all likelihood ran it past Tanaka first. If Tanaka really hated Bano as much as this rumor says and was so deadest against Bano working on film why was Bano writing possible projects for the next Godzilla film? Why would he even be allowed to come up with any ideas for any Toho films?
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Goji » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:01 pm

^ Exaactly.

The point is, the "YOU RUINED GODZILLA!!!" nonsense is a fan myth, just like the duel-ending myth to KKvG. It is 100% fabricated by fans, and a result of false information being passed down over the decades. In other words; it's horse poop.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby eabaker » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:33 pm

^But, hey, let's go for a walk in fantasy land and say that it was absolutely true.

So skreeonking what?

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:23 pm

I stand corrected.

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby g2vd » Fri Jun 10, 2016 4:40 am

So great was the shame, and the ill luck thought to adhere to the Kaiju Hedorah, that Hedorah never again appeared in the Godzilla Series. Godzilla Vs. Hedorah and it's failures were keenly felt by Tomoyuki Tanaka, darkening his remaining years. According to the biographer Suetonius, upon hearing the news, Tanaka tore his clothes, refused to cut his hair for months and, for years afterwards, was heard, upon occasion, to moan, "Yoshimitsu Banno, give me back my Godzilla movies!" Banno was the losing Director and frankly the victim of having no talent.

Gibbon describes Tanaka's reaction to the movie and it's failure as one of the few times the normally stoic producer lost his composure. Banno's directorial legacy in Toho was destroyed, and Toho rightfully blamed him for the failure. His son's chances for a directorial career were ruined. Honda himself fell under severe criticism for recommending Banno as the Director. Honda, according to Gaius Stern, was forced to sacrifice his friend and former brother-in-law to save his career. Furthermore, Banno himself had been one of the figures on the Ara Pacis, but the figure is lost today.

Stern has proposed that common citizens vandalized the Ara Pacis by damaging Banno in anger over their lost loved ones who died because of the movie's badness.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Goji » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:07 am

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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby g2vd » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:50 am

Goji wrote:Oh? Your Tank is evolving!

Your Tank evolved into Tanka!

(Only 18 more levels, and you'll have yourself a Tanaka!)

..Oh..Oh....Nuts. lol, I knew I left something out.

Oh well who cares it's still funny. :lol:
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby edgaguirus » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:44 pm

You could write an amusing book if you came up with more comic gems like that.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby Tyrant_Lizard_King » Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:19 am

I still to this day have a very hard time getting into Hedorah. I like Hedorah himself but the film just doesn't work for me. It's not bad but way to artsy fartsy for my taste and even a bit boring.
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Re: Talkback: Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971)

Postby edgaguirus » Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:34 pm

It is the most unique Godzilla film.
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