Monster Discussion #15: King Ghidorah (Showa)

[Living Corpse]

Whatever you say Infinity.

[Infinity]

Aww.. you edited your original statement bub?

Guess thats the end of this thread.

[Living Corpse]

What edit? I called you a child in the first post on this page.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Wow LC. You are going through such great lengths to defend KG. I mean who ever heard of a fan defending or praising a kaiju power showing/weakness due to film limitations.

... and all coming from the same guy who places Kiryu in a rank far below the lower showa Kaiju, even though he has far more impressive and legitimate feats shown from the intentions of the film makers.

LC, this isn't just for you. There is an element of hypocrisy and double standards packed together in an unpleasent fan package spread all over this fandom. Its the reason why I'm so aggressive in these kinds of debates and enjoy putting up a long winded debate against said fan members in this community.

....Wait, how is any of that hypocrisy or double standards?

That's, like, his opinion man.

[Legionmaster]

Ok, you people are all dumb for missing this. Looks like I'm gonna have to step in and set this straight. For everyone. The correct answer is:

Halitosis.

Can't brush yo teeth when you ain't got no hands.

[GodzillaSpawn]

And if he;s not in the same ranks, which he should be on his toughness, how come Godzilla was never able to beat him one-on-one? He always had help. Not saying he couldn't. But it always took more than just Godzilla to make KG retreat--and that's through 4 films. Hesei Ghidorah lasted like 30 minutes.

Ghidorah never beat Godzilla on screen either.

What? he needs more than himself for that. Well, thats why we have GvsGigan.

and where the skreeonk did Heisei Ghidorah come from in this discussion!?

Neither did MechaGodzilla. The first time they fought they basically knocked each other out (pretty sure that would be a draw). Godzilla fell into the water and MG's was knocked out of commission. So, KG not beating Godzilla does not mean that he isn't in the same league as MG.

I'm not even sure if you ever watched G vs. Gigan with the stuff you've try to deny in this thread.

And Hesei Ghidorah came up because I brought him up! Say something about it!

[Living Corpse]

^ The ending to monster zero might be a draw for Ghidorah sine he retreated but neither Godzilla or Rodan surfaced from the fall. And King Ghidorah beat Zone Fighter one on one in their first fight which is saying something since Zone Fighter beat Godzilla in a friendly match.

[GodzillaSpawn]

^ The ending to monster zero might be a draw for Ghidorah sine he retreated but neither Godzilla or Rodan surfaced from the fall. And King Ghidorah beat Zone Fighter one on one in their first fight which is saying something since Zone Fighter beat Godzilla in a friendly match.

That's certainly a logical point.

There aren't many times in the Showa Godzilla series when multiple monsters team up to fight a greater threat. Two mothra larvae fight Godzilla, Godzilla (and Minilla to a small extent) help each other to survive Kumonga, Godzilla and King Seesar work together on MechaGodzilla (but once Godzilla turned into a magnet, MG was pretty much screwed), and MG and Titanosaurus teamed up on Godzilla (before humans came along and got Titano off Godzilla's back).

All the others are when the "good guys" team up on King Ghidorah. It would seem to be that, atleast in the 60's, Toho made King Ghidorah the pinnacle of threats to the King himself. Like I said, Ghidorah may not have cleanly beat Godzilla because they never faced one-on-one, but Godzilla did defeat MG pretty much by himself.

[Living Corpse]

He stole Godzilla's place as threat number 1 in the 60's but once Hedorah and Mechagodzilla showed up he ended up becoming threat number 3. And then Godzilla started getting insane powers in the 70s. Still a pretty decent threat, he beat Zone once and probably would kill or injury guys like Kumonga, Rodan, Megalon, Gigan or Ebirah in a one on one.

[GodzillaSpawn]

I never even viewed KG as number three. To me, he's Godzilla's most infamous rival (MechaGodzilla is debatable) and he's stood the test of time even if the costume barely made it out of the sixties. But he'll always be the one monster who Godzilla never fought by himself, in the Showa series that is.

[Infinity]

Neither did MechaGodzilla. The first time they fought they basically knocked each other out (pretty sure that would be a draw). Godzilla fell into the water and MG's was knocked out of commission. So, KG not beating Godzilla does not mean that he isn't in the same league as MG.

I'm not even sure if you ever watched G vs. Gigan with the stuff you've try to deny in this thread.

And Hesei Ghidorah came up because I brought him up! Say something about it!

By 1974/75, Godzilla had become far more powerful than he ever had in the past. His beam is alot more powerful, his speed is like nearly doubled and strength wise, body slamming Ghidorah so easily should give you an idea of improvement in that department.

Also Godzilla beat Ghidorah in GvsGigan quite handily even if you count in Ang's small little assistance. It would have made absolutely no difference if Angy was there or not, and since Ghidorah was well aware of himself and his surroundings, the ending in that movie suggested that Godzilla had outclassed Ghidorah by a fair margin.

As for Heisei Ghidorah. I never claimed he was any good either. He isn't that much better than his showa incarnation and is still considered the lesser Kaiju in the Heisei series. The only difference is that he is not as overrated as his showa and supposed Grand incarnation.

If you have seen full metal alchemist, think of Edward elric as Showa King Ghidorah and Alfonse elric as Heisei King Ghidorah in terms of popularity of characters in that show. That pretty much tells you who is the less overrated one.

cleanly beat Godzilla because they never faced one-on-one, but Godzilla did defeat MG pretty much by himself.

No he didn't. Being defeated because of some assholes pulling off the plug in the main base or having to deal with a magical powerup that came from nowhere should not be used for discrediting MG. Thats like claiming that Godzilla beat Super Mechagodzilla by himself without having Fire Rodan in the picture.

Makes sense no?

King Ghidorah was always aware of himself and the presence of his opponents whenever he fought them. That is why he managed to escape so many times. That and getting to face more than two opponents still does not account for his low caliber, brain dead style of fighting as noted in Godzilla vs Gigan.

[GodzillaSpawn]

Never seen Full metal, so I don't get the comparison. But I think Showa Ghidorah is a beast. Not a great fighter, as you would say, since he's rather limited in his offense but I think his toughness has been proven. It takes a lot of firepower (or monster power) to defeat him. We will also have to disagree about what happened in Godzilla vs. Gigan. I don't think Godzilla did much of anything to hurt Ghidorah in that film, until the end. And I do think having a spiked shell come at you that hard and fast (sounds dirty) while you are left defenseless has to hurt like a bitch. And then to get suplexed three times immediately after that? That's the type of shit that would make any of the kaiju badasses want to go home.

But I agree with you MechaGodzilla. I never really liked the magnet power-up, although that doesn't mean I can just ignore it either, it did happen and once MG got stuck to Godzilla, he was done-ski, whether the aliens had control of him or not. He couldn't even fly away, Godzilla just had to twist his head off. I forgot that the girl controlled MG in Terror of MechaGodzilla. So once she kicked the bucket, MechaGodzilla was useless when Godzilla unloaded on him at the end.

[Carthormerr]

King Ghidorah was always aware of himself and the presence of his opponents whenever he fought them. That is why he managed to escape so many times.

This is just not true. He was being mind controlled 90% of the time. The escaping part was when the control had been broken and it was more like a "I don't know how I got here, but I better leave because these guys are attacking me"

[edgaguirus]

The same in vs Monster X. When Ghidorah is overwhelmed, it retreats.

[Godzilla165]

What makes King Ghidorah so dangerous, is that he is skreeonk crazy. You don't know what he'll do next, or where he'll be. He is unpredictable, and you can never anticipate his movements/actions. He would've destroyed Earth a long time ago, but one thing keeps getting in his way that he has never had to deal with while destroying other planets. That thing is Godzilla, and any other ally that Godzilla has.

[ScootaVaran]

Has he ever focused all three of his beams on a single target? I just cant remember but i bet that might be a more powerful attack.

[Reaper Man]

Has he ever focused all three of his beams on a single target? I just cant remember but i bet that might be a more powerful attack.

Kicked Zone Fighter's ass that way.

[edgaguirus]

He may have in GMK, when he was up close and personal zapping Godzilla.

[Giga Kaiju]

His Resistance , Imposing figure and Unpredictable nature.

[Reaper Man]

The fact that he's a three-headed 100 meter supersonic beam spamming nigh invulnerable dragon is why he's dangerous.