Talkback Thread #2: Godzilla Raids Again (1955)

[Goji]

Godzilla is on his side anyway. There isn't anything even remotely suggestive about it.

[Gailah 1966]

The movie is pretty boring and the soundtrack is lame.

Sorry, I have to contradict. The soundtrack is not as powerful and energized like Ifukubes masterpieces, but 1 track is really good!

It´s the track when Godzilla and Anguirus fight in Osaka. You may hear not much of it in the film but if you listen to the soundtrack cd at high volume the track is really scary!
It´s dark, it´s evil and it fits the dark atmnosphere of the movie (especially since it´s recorded in black/white)
If you listen to the soundtrack at high volume you may also hear a strange noise in this track. Like some slashed wine-glasses filled with water. If you like dark themes you will love this track though.

Personally I like the movie. It´s not the best one but I like the darkness in the movie and the dramatic fight between Godzilla and Anguirus.

Cheers

[Rody]

I never got the impression that GRA had a dark tone.

[Space Hunter M]

I love Sato's simple, yet chilling Godzilla theme. You can here the basic structure of it twelve years later in his score for Son of Godzilla.

[Sydney Aradi]

also....


what is going on in this pic??

looks like Gigant..........*coughs into arm* Godzilla is getting ready for some Angurius dinner

[wrongnote85]

Godzilla is on his side anyway. There isn't anything even remotely suggestive about it.

really, what are you talking about....suggestive?


i've never seen the movie and i thought godzilla and angulus were friends.

suggestive?

[Goji]

..Godzilla's first ever opponent was Anguirus.

[wrongnote85]

..Godzilla's first ever opponent was Anguirus.

really? based on that pic from the film i thought they were lovers. thanks for the clarification.

[Goji]

what is going on in this pic??

Godzilla is on his side anyway. There isn't anything even remotely suggestive about it.

really, what are you talking about....suggestive?

really? based on that pic from the film i thought they were lovers. thanks for the clarification.

So, you ask what's going on in the pic (suggesting that it's something sexual), then you play dumb by pretending you don't know what suggestive means, and now you're hinting again that it's something sexual. What?

I also have a really hard time believing you somehow didn't know Anguirus was Godzilla's first ever opponent, even if you really haven't seen the movie before.

Is this some pathetic attempt at trolling? Honestly, I can't really tell.

[Legionmaster]

Godzilla is on his side anyway. There isn't anything even remotely suggestive about it.

Clearly you haven't watched The Room enough to know that intercourse doesn't have to be penis>hole. Sometimes it can be penis>bellybutton. Sometimes penis>back of the knee. Either way, it's romantic, beautiful, and you can reuse the footage in a later sex scene!

[Gailah 1966]

Oh man... Some of you guys should watch other movies instead of G-movies.

The pic shows Godzilla and Anguirus fighting for their lifes. You can NOT fight somebody without touching him!!! This was only possible in Heisei-series

Don´t link this "shit" with our holy Godzilla

[Cimmerian Dragon]

^ There's a fine line between hate and love. Passions flare, bodies clash, then all of a sudden...

[Gailah 1966]

I never got the impression that GRA had a dark tone.

Yeah, everyone feels a little different about this but it gets the "darkness" because of that scary score during the Osaka fight.
For my ears it doesen´t sound heroic or happy. It sounds ultra-dark. Listen to that score at high volume it will give you heebie-jeebies like no other track.

I´m no musician but the track gets more intense sometimes when the tones get higher. This is really a horror-score masterpeace i.m.o.

[Mincecraft]

[quote="TokyoVigilante"]B) It's often attributed with starting the "Godzilla vs." formula, when it actually doesn't at all.[quote]

Uh... could you elaborate on that? Considering that it was the second film and Godzilla fought no monster in the original, I'd like to hear where you got that from (no sarcasm here).

I think the problem with GRA is that it tends to be overly cliche (for the fifties) and that the monster effects are a little cheaper this time around.

Anyway, definitely not the best movie, worst American port ever upon release, but interesting to see a piece of Godzilla history.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

^ Actually, TokyoVigilante answered that question back on the first page.

A) Firstly, one of my main issues for a while is that it was treated like it had this depth and importance about it like Gojira for no other reason then that it was the other B&W Godzilla movie. When in fact, if you read about the background and history of the films production, it was a project conceived on the exact opposite side of the cinematic spectrum as Gojira.

B) It's often attributed with starting the "Godzilla vs." formula, when it actually doesn't at all.

C) It's just an incredibly unremarkable film, especially when sitting between two massive and important titans of the franchise (Gojira and King Kong vs. Godzilla). It doesn't bring anything new to the table, it doesn't do anything particularly well and does lots of things blandly and without alot of energy or enthusiasm behind it.

okay, you got me there, what are you talking about?

I've seen GRA claimed as a landmark or noteworthy film because it's the first film in the franchise to have Godzilla fight something. But the formula the film uses doesn't match anything that is used since. None of the films have used the formula from GRA. The formula that is used was started with King Kong vs. Godzilla, with both monsters getting top billing as worthy opponents and the plot centering around bringing them together for the final act of the film being resolved by their confrontation.

That is nothing like GRA, it's just a re-tread of Gojira for the first two acts with another monster acting as scenary. Anguirus isn't central to the plot in the slightest and is entirely inconsequential. You would have the same movie if he wasn't in it.

I agree with what he said. In any film where its a "Godzilla vs." formula, the opposing monster plays a huge part in the story, and if it were to be removed, the whole film would fall apart. In GRA, that's not the case, because Anguirus plays no significant role in the story. He's just there to pad out the film.

[Mincecraft]

Yeah but it was the first to spawn the idea of him brawling with another beast, integral or not.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Yeah but it was the first to spawn the idea of him brawling with another beast, integral or not.

It wasn't the idea that Toho went with though. The idea of Godzilla fighting Anguirus in GRA was "Giving Godzilla something to fight to make the film longer". The idea of Godzilla fighting King Kong in KKvsG was "Giving both monsters equal amounts of screen time and importance, while working to get the third act of the film to be all about their meeting and fight".

Toho has never gone with the same formula as GRA since that film. Meaning that the whole "Godzilla vs." formula started with King Kong vs. Godzilla.

[Living Corpse]

^ There's a fine line between hate and love. Passions flare, bodies clash, then all of a sudden...

You're actually closer to the truth with that joke then you may realize. The part of our brain that deals with the "fight or flight" mode of survival instincts also deals with the "I'm so horny" reproducing instincts and emotions. It actually explains why some couples can go from yelling at each other like they want to bite the others head off one minute to just screwing like crazy the next.

[Mincecraft]

Yeah but it was the first to spawn the idea of him brawling with another beast, integral or not.

It wasn't the idea that Toho went with though. The idea of Godzilla fighting Anguirus in GRA was "Giving Godzilla something to fight to make the film longer". The idea of Godzilla fighting King Kong in KKvsG was "Giving both monsters equal amounts of screen time and importance, while working to get the third act of the film to be all about their meeting and fight".

Toho has never gone with the same formula as GRA since that film. Meaning that the whole "Godzilla vs." formula started with King Kong vs. Godzilla.

True, true. Maybe "The Volcano Monsters" wouldve done a better job?

[Wheelchair21]

Well ironically the movie is bad, but still quite enjoyable for being a kaiju movie. The parts with the sped up Kaiju Fights are annoying and don't make sense, but hey the suits were heavy making the battle techinically longer to watch, some speed was needed. They just over did it when editting, as we can all see. Also the planning for the movie was sort of rushed, since it came out within a year since the original. It had Son of Kong syndrome, if you think about it for awhile. The only other issue with the movie thou, is plot for its cast this time. They weren't overly involved with issues the Kaiju made unlike the first Godzilla movie so yeah things just didn't add up.