Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964)

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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Rody » Fri May 25, 2012 1:08 pm

I think Ed Godziszewski did a good job at pointing out the biggest flaw with this concept in his Cosmoetica interview:

Ed Godziszewski wrote:One of the biggest concepts that was scripted but ultimately turned down was Frankenstein vs Godzilla. Just like King Kong vs Godzilla, it made sense in that it was a pairing of two famous icons. But in my opinion, the ultimate downfall of the idea was that it would make the fatal flaw of putting Godzilla on screen with a non-costumed human actor. No matter how well filmed, the image of Godzilla as a giant creature would irreparably be damaged. And while you can suspend disbelief and imagine a creature like Kong might be able to withstand Godzilla’s ray to some extent, that’s a much tougher sell with a human figure. I think it was a wise move to tweak this story into what eventually became Frankenstein Conquers the World. The Frankenstein monster was wisely downsized by half of what he would have been if he had faced Godzilla, and they created Baragon as a more evenly-matched opponent. Since Frankenstein was not a costumed actor, the change in scale actually benefitted the film since it was an easier sell the image of a human monster as believable in 1/12 scale.

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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Tohosaurus » Fri May 25, 2012 5:17 pm

Tyler wrote:It's interesting how some people treat lost projects. What if this were made and it was actually pretty good? Then Mothra vs. Godzilla would've been some what-if idea. "Godzilla fighting a giant butterfly? How lame."

Well since your post is obviously directed in response to mine, I look at each dead project independently rather than your random assertion that each is automatically dismissed based on suspicion. My posts in the lost project threads are proof of that.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Giga Kaiju » Fri May 25, 2012 6:18 pm

It could of been an interesting movie to watch but a "Giant Human" vs Godzilla would of looked
weird...but still.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Fri May 25, 2012 6:23 pm

Rody wrote:I think Ed Godziszewski did a good job at pointing out the biggest flaw with this concept in his Cosmoetica interview:

Ed Godziszewski wrote:One of the biggest concepts that was scripted but ultimately turned down was Frankenstein vs Godzilla. Just like King Kong vs Godzilla, it made sense in that it was a pairing of two famous icons. But in my opinion, the ultimate downfall of the idea was that it would make the fatal flaw of putting Godzilla on screen with a non-costumed human actor. No matter how well filmed, the image of Godzilla as a giant creature would irreparably be damaged. And while you can suspend disbelief and imagine a creature like Kong might be able to withstand Godzilla’s ray to some extent, that’s a much tougher sell with a human figure. I think it was a wise move to tweak this story into what eventually became Frankenstein Conquers the World. The Frankenstein monster was wisely downsized by half of what he would have been if he had faced Godzilla, and they created Baragon as a more evenly-matched opponent. Since Frankenstein was not a costumed actor, the change in scale actually benefitted the film since it was an easier sell the image of a human monster as believable in 1/12 scale.

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King Kong vs. Godzilla didn't look that fantastic in terms of representing a anthropoid fighting a dinosaur. With costumes and what-not. This is when stop-motion would have reigned supreme over suits.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Tyler » Sat May 26, 2012 11:30 am

Tohosaurus wrote:Well since your post is obviously directed in response to mine


Well not really no.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Sun May 27, 2012 4:23 am

Legion1979 wrote:Everything I've heard about this one sounds ridiculous. Is there anyone here would have actually wanted to see this instead of Mothra vs Godzilla?


Nope. Presenting the TOHO Frankenstein monster as a believable, viable foe for Godzilla would have been really stretching it, evening by monster movie standards. Also, the plot line was utterly ridiculous and non-sensical (the military luring Godzilla, who is a *far* more dangerous threat to the mankind than Frankie-boy, intentionally to Japan to fight Frankenstein...um...ooookkkaaaayyy). There are several "Lost" projects that would have been intriguing to see (for me, "Godzilla vs the Space Monsters" staring G, Angilas, and Majin Tuol vs KG, Gigan, and Megalon ranks near the top of the list), but this particular lost project is one I'm happy was never made.

However, it might make for an interesting comic book story for one of IDW's mini-series. And I am in full agreement with others in that I would love to see a G vs The Gargantuas movie...
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Godzilla1703 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:54 pm

Meh, rather see Godzilla vs. the Gargauntuans.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Rody » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:44 am

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:King Kong vs. Godzilla didn't look that fantastic in terms of representing a anthropoid fighting a dinosaur. With costumes and what-not.

Well, I thought it looked decent, but if Kong didn't seem well realized, then Frankenstein's monster would have looked even worse, wouldn't it?
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby The One and Only » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:12 pm

Ed does make a good point about Godzilla fighting what looks like just some guy. He does make a good point though. Especially if TOHO was going to use the look that ended up in Frankenstein Conquers The World !, might've become the object of derision. However, if the Frankenstein Monster sported a look something more like thisImage
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The effort would've been taken more seriously by the audiences. But another questionable decision in the story was haveing the Big-G washed out to sea by powerful river currents by film's end. A bit of a head shaker there.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Megalon-5 » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:39 pm

I think the main problem behind the film (other than the flawed idea of releasing Godzilla to fight Frankenstein's Monster) would've been the fact that the Monster might be too human for the film. Had Toho gone with the design they used for FCTW, it would've been jarring in my opinion to see a fully costumed actor go against a human in makeup. It'd just look weird. Now if they went with a different design that looked less like a feral Universal Frankenstein Monster, it probably would've worked. Although I can't see something working like the images you posed One and the Only, I can really see Toho making something along the lines of their Gargantuas or Willis O'Brien's concept of the Monster.

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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby miguelnuva » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:12 pm

I would have loved to see a human Frankenstein take on Godzilla it would have looked so weird it would have felt right. Also if Frankenstein could have returned in DAM.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby The One and Only » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:17 am

^I was rather disappointed with that image when I first saw that image of the Frankestein creation for Willis O'Brian's scrapped King Kong Vs. Frankestein proposal.With the creature being cobbled together from the body parts of deceased jungle animals, the Ginko looks a little too humanoid considering its source of parts. Something like out of C.L. Werner's Godzilla Vs. Frankenstein Fan-Fic.http://www.kaijuphile.com/fannest/fiction/godzillavsfrankenstein.shtml
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby James23873 » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:31 am

Is there any truth behind the idea that Kong's lightning powers were originally meant for Frankenstein?
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Showa Gyaos » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:03 pm

Reading over my previous post, I realized something: Was it ever confirmed that the Frankenstein Monster would have been a giant human at all? Perhaps a guy in a suit? It might be a stretch, but I don't think any details were given concerning how Frankenstein could have been displayed.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:08 pm

Showa Gyaos wrote:Reading over my previous post, I realized something: Was it ever confirmed that the Frankenstein Monster would have been a giant human at all? Perhaps a guy in a suit? It might be a stretch, but I don't think any details were given concerning how Frankenstein could have been displayed.

Seems awful redundant to not use a person to portray a giant human. I can't think of any instance in the genre where a giant person wasn't portrayed by a person.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Showa Gyaos » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:09 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:
Showa Gyaos wrote:Reading over my previous post, I realized something: Was it ever confirmed that the Frankenstein Monster would have been a giant human at all? Perhaps a guy in a suit? It might be a stretch, but I don't think any details were given concerning how Frankenstein could have been displayed.

Seems awful redundant to not use a person to portray a giant human. I can't think of any instance in the genre where a giant person wasn't portrayed by a person.

That is a good point.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby RedZillaKing » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:01 pm

So glad this never saw the light of day. Hell, Frank defeating Baragon was quite a stretch. The monster's size, teeth, and claws gave him a distinct advantage. Godzilla losing to him (and it could have happened) would've made him King of the Wimps.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Godz » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:11 pm

Count me among those who doesn't really lament this film not being made, but would LOVE to have seen Godzilla Vs. The Gargantuas. I wrote a short fan "treatment" for this a few years back where the Gargantuas were much smaller than Godzilla (they came up to Godzilla's chest, roughly) but were savage fighters...eventually they were piled into a heap and set ablaze by Godzilla's ray....only for their cellular regeneration to merge them together into a hulking abomination with two heads and four arms. Sort of a....Manster meets Goro from Mortal Kombat
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby Tyler » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:53 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:Seems awful redundant to not use a person to portray a giant human. I can't think of any instance in the genre where a giant person wasn't portrayed by a person.


But it only happened, what once? If Godzilla fought a Frankenstein's monster made from animals part I imagine it would be something humanoid yet monstrous like Gaira. Even Kong was sort of like that.
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Re: Lost Project discussion: Frankenstein vs. Godzilla (1964

Postby RedZillaKing » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:55 pm

No lie- I imagined an elephant headed, Gorilla bodied, Lion clawed, Rhino footed, Crocodile tailed chimera.
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