Final Wars Godzilla vs Monsterverse King Ghidorah

[Gigantis]

stats for Godzilla

Godzilla (5th Generation)
Height: 100 meters
Length: 100 meters
Mass: 55,000 tons
Powers/Weapons: Atomic Ray; super regenerative power; able to unleash a Hyper Spiral Ray after being surged with Ozaki's energy; extraordinary jumper; can discharge a blast of energy through his body, to damage those in direct contact, after being surged with Ozaki's energy
First Appearance: Godzilla: Final Wars (2004)

Stats for Ghidorah
https://godzilla.fandom.com/wiki/King_G ... sterVerse)

Arena: Sydney, Australia.

Rules: If Godzilla's in a pickle, Ozaki can come in and surged him with his energy.

Verdict: I think this fight could go either way. Godzilla is pretty strong in his Final Wars incarnation and also pretty speedy. Ghidorah never really seemed that fast in KOTM so i feel as if Big G could do hit an run tactics. Also his atomic breath is strong as poop. On the other hand, The One who is Many is also pretty darn strong and is certainly durable, that mixed with his broken regen. BUT Godzilla can regen pretty fast himself. Godzilla gets another upper hand with Ozaki's power. I wanna say Ghidorah could use him as a battery but Godzilla broke out of a similar technuique. (Keizer did almost the exact same thing but the power was to much for him) So i'm gonna say Goji by the skin of his teeth.

[LamangoKaijura]

The thing is, Keizer never lifted Final Goji up into the stratosphere and drop him on his fucking head, and GFW Goji hates head trauma.

[Gigantis]

The thing is, Keizer never lifted Final Goji up into the stratosphere and drop him on his skreeonking head, and GFW Goji hates head trauma.

true. that's gonna hurt for sure, but i'm sure he'll survive.

[Demon Lord Gira]

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2. Final Wars Godzilla... either he's a superstar muscle man the rest of the kaiju world has no chance against, or he's an average level Godzilla who spent his free time beating up the poor kids on the block, and my viewpoint on him is in the latter. Outside of the wonky nonsensical scene of throwing Kumonga over the horizon (AND HIM SPEEDING UP AS HE WAS THROWN), none of his physical feats are really all that impressive, and while he can fight, it's not quite up to the level of MV Ghidorah, who can and absolutely WILL pounce on him and throttle him in combat. The beam can do damage, but Ghidorah laughed off LPG's beam, which knocked him flat on his ass and then sent him back several hundred meters, and did nothing else to him. FW Godzilla is eventually going to get overwhelmed, carried off into the atmosphere, then dropped down to his death.

And if Ozaki tries to charge him up? Ghidorah is not going to let that fly. This Ghidorah is incredibly perceptive about what's going on around him and quick to seize whatever opportunity presents itself. He'll notice Ozaki charging up Godzilla, and he'll go over and crush the mutant and stop that.

Now, IF by some miracle Ozaki succeeds, and Keizer Godzilla becomes a thing... Ghidorah is fucked. This is the same Godzilla who was hurling Keizer Ghidorah's just as heavy ass left and right like it was nothing and then blasted him so hard, he blew up from the friction of being propelled into the stratosphere. Legendary Ghidorah's only hope would be to try and siphon the energy out... but Keizer Godzilla has a nuclear pulse, and Keizer Ghidorah learned that the hard way. But Keizer Godzilla is a scenario I don't see happening here.

[Breakdown]

.....what if Ghidorah steals Ozaki's energy if he tries to power up Godzilla? Like, he knocks Godzilla out of the way and takes it for himself?

[_JNavs_]

.....what if Ghidorah steals Ozaki's energy if he tries to power up Godzilla? Like, he knocks Godzilla out of the way and takes it for himself?

This, I just don't see MV Ghidorah, being as maneuverable and perceptive as he is, just letting Godzilla get sapped by some plot convenience beam. He'd whoop Godzilla, possibly turn into Monsterverses' Grand King Ghidorah after absorbing OD amounts of energy, then flies off with poor little Godzilla up into space for later feasting.

[Unit~NoA]

Outside of the wonky nonsensical scene of throwing Kumonga over the horizon (AND HIM SPEEDING UP AS HE WAS THROWN), none of his physical feats are really all that impressive, and while he can fight, it's not quite up to the level of MV Ghidorah, who can and absolutely WILL pounce on him and throttle him in combat.

You're. Wrong.

Godzilla Final Wars is very much herculean as much as Showa and Heisei. And I will diplomatically accept to exempt the Kumonga throw, mainly because he is perfectly fine without it. Godzilla swatted Angurius's 60,000 metric ton hide at least a thousand feet back into the air at a vastly faster speed than Rodan's mach flight. What's even more impressive about this particular feat is that Angurius was already generating godly amount of g-force from falling towards Godzilla, initially several hundreds of feet within 3 seconds. Ultimately, Godzilla overpowered Angurius's massive kinetic force and sent him flying backwards. Imagine if Angurius was simply still when tail whipped....Regardless, NOTHING in the MV is close to that in the strength department.

Aside from that, he'd demonstrated consistent power in combat. Casually tail whipping a lunging Zilla and throwing monsters with similar body weight hundreds of feet (King Cesar). And I'm going to include him throwing and kicking the 100,000 metric ton Keizer for large city block distances as well since in terms of strength the Ozaki charge only seem to rejuvenate, not boost it seeing how well it happily correlates with his base form throws and tail smacks.

I'm inclined to agree that GFW bullied kaijus with lackluster durability. But he still bullied heavy kaijus casually for his weight class. You can't dispute their weight being displaced nigh-effortlessly. And laughable at the idea of the feral MV Ghidorah being a far capable fighter where GFW in nearly all occasions successfully used his tools, wit, counters, and human-like method of grappling.

The beam can do damage, but Ghidorah laughed off LPG's beam, which knocked him flat on his ass and then sent him back several hundred meters, and did nothing else to him.

I'm unfortunately going to have say LPG's breath is hardly handy in your persuasion seeing how we're still in the dark about the beams true destructive potential. Despite having literally two films, outside of the affect on other monsters (one of them being without durability feats, Femuto) we don't know how hot or how explosive with almost zilch to measure it. One medium-sized building in the Antarctic is hardly enough to say much of anything. GFW on the other hand consistently showed explosive force on larger structures, blowing up the opera house and the two combined buildings with blasting Hedorah and Ebirah. Consistently displayed several ludacris amount of concussive force blasting the previously mentioned monsters both separately and together totalling 120,000t plus the thousand(s) ton building for a thousand meters across a city and violently shoke an 1km in diameter mothership.

And I'm going to address the considered low-end feats here to everyone, might as well. Even though the particular feats are out numbered by high-end showings. Why the hell would Godzilla blow up an entire iCe mOuNtAiN (buildings can't be made on ice and concept art for GFW shows it was on a snow COVERED mountain) to kill two measly humans? And BaReLy doing anything to a hill...well...besides setting the small portion of the forest in a trenched blaze, one of the actual heat feats on a "push" beam.

MV Ghidorah is facing a more violent beam thats backed by a large variety of evidential feats that doesn't take forever to fire. Hell, for the amount time Ghidorah allows LPG to charge and fire his breath GFW could charged his meteor busting breath and just entirely incinerate him.

FW Godzilla is eventually going to get overwhelmed, carried off into the atmosphere, then dropped down to his death.

That's if he's able to close the distance with a more faster, deadlier charged breath flying around. And if GFW doesn't go wolverine on him up close with far more impressive strength or over head throw him constantly.

He'll notice Ozaki charging up Godzilla, and he'll go over and crush the mutant and stop that.

Let's say Ghidorah utilize his size and successfully latch on, which would be his one miraculous saving grace...
You're confusing Ghidorah's drive to destroy the ORCA that was constantly deprivating him in all his fights with intelligence. If anything that was a massive weakness, which killed him in the end when he stopped siphoning Godzilla. Without ORCA, which only got his attention because it's been stated tens of times to literal use call frequencies on him and kaijus, he's just one track minded. So yes, come time Ozaki rolls in it's a guaranteed stomp for Godzilla.

This is the same Godzilla who was hurling Keizer Ghidorah's just as heavy ass left and right like it was nothing and then blasted him so hard, he blew up from the friction of being propelled into the stratosphere.

Giratina, you've repeated this very same old song and dance many times now...Its time to respectfully STAHHP! It's both not what happened in the movie and not how it works in real life.

Had that been true we've would had seen hints of that happening. If air friction is what kills him why doesn't the remaing head, limbs, and dinky tail not envelop in flames first? A head of which supposedly can't take his own bolts with other weaker, skinny protruding parts. You'd imagine they would give out before his massive center of gravity that is his humongous torso explodes. But no sign of that in any frame. We do see the torso that the beam had initially and continuously beamed during the longevity of its trip to space rippling and searing before ka-boom. Gather picture evidence of bits and pieces of him breaking away and I'll concur. Right now, nothing you've been preaching has ever happened.

Now how it functions in real life, again, that too doesn't happen. Air friction, or mainly the amount of particles, decreases as distance of evaluation increases. The higher you go up the less resistance you would face. Which makes sense with the Hyper Spiral Beam still needed a second or two to speed up when Keizer initially started his first few miles before he rose up exponentially. What makes the beam the most destructive live-action Godzilla beam is the unrivaled amount of both continuous heat and concussive pressure being concentrated in one spot before complete incineration. Most low tier monsters would laugh if it purely relied on air particles because they become less and less of a factor the higher, faster they travel.

This, I just don't see MV Ghidorah, being as maneuverable and perceptive as he is, just letting Godzilla get sapped by some plot convenience beam. He'd whoop Godzilla, possibly turn into Monsterverses' Grand King Ghidorah after absorbing OD amounts of energy, then flies off with poor little Godzilla up into space for later feasting.

Gaining Ozaki energy too? Not happening. What makes you believe that MV would have any better luck than Keizer Ghidorah, who literally showed us why it's not possible? Unless you're gonna argue MV's siphoning is better than Keizer, and backed by what?

[Gigantis]

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2. Final Wars Godzilla... either he's a superstar muscle man the rest of the kaiju world has no chance against, or he's an average level Godzilla who spent his free time beating up the poor kids on the block, and my viewpoint on him is in the latter. Outside of the wonky nonsensical scene of throwing Kumonga over the horizon (AND HIM SPEEDING UP AS HE WAS THROWN), none of his physical feats are really all that impressive, and while he can fight, it's not quite up to the level of MV Ghidorah, who can and absolutely WILL pounce on him and throttle him in combat. The beam can do damage, but Ghidorah laughed off LPG's beam, which knocked him flat on his ass and then sent him back several hundred meters, and did nothing else to him. FW Godzilla is eventually going to get overwhelmed, carried off into the atmosphere, then dropped down to his death.

And if Ozaki tries to charge him up? Ghidorah is not going to let that fly. This Ghidorah is incredibly perceptive about what's going on around him and quick to seize whatever opportunity presents itself. He'll notice Ozaki charging up Godzilla, and he'll go over and crush the mutant and stop that.

Now, IF by some miracle Ozaki succeeds, and Keizer Godzilla becomes a thing... Ghidorah is skreeonked. This is the same Godzilla who was hurling Keizer Ghidorah's just as heavy ass left and right like it was nothing and then blasted him so hard, he blew up from the friction of being propelled into the stratosphere. Legendary Ghidorah's only hope would be to try and siphon the energy out... but Keizer Godzilla has a nuclear pulse, and Keizer Ghidorah learned that the hard way. But Keizer Godzilla is a scenario I don't see happening here.

noted. and thanks for adding your two cents into this

[LamangoKaijura]

Godzilla swatted Angurius's 60,000 metric ton hide at least a thousand feet back into the air at a vastly faster speed than Rodan's mach flight

Rodan wasn't flying at full speed at all. New York Attack? Yeah, he was going mach flight. Battle infront of Mt. Fuji? Rodan was gliding, probably because he was circling back.

Regardless, NOTHING in the MV is close to that in the strength department.

Didn't Tomzilla and IR do the math about LegendaryGoji's tail whip and being faster then fucking sound and obliterated the male Muto?

And laughable at the idea of the feral MV Ghidorah being a far capable fighter where GFW in nearly all occasions successfully used his tools, wit, counters, and human-like method of grappling.

Wait what? Feral? You think this Ghidorah, who actively targeted humans, planned shit, used the environment around him, can actually be SEEN thinking, is "FERAL"? What the fuck?

What makes you believe that MV would have any better luck than Keizer Ghidorah, who literally showed us why it's not possible? Unless you're gonna argue MV's siphoning is better than Keizer, and backed by what?

Well for one, MV Ghidorah is fucking 50 times more mobile then Keizer. Two. He flies while siphoning. Three, he has regen that's on par with Biollante and took repeated Hyper Nuclear Pulses that were vaporizing his body. In the novel, he was regenning from this as fast as Goji could dish it out.

You saw how fucking well GFW Godzilla handled a simple drop on his head, right? Keizer lifted him up once, and dropped him. Once. Onto a destroyed building. He was KO'd from that. From THAT. He took Rodan going at decent speeds to the back of his head and was fine. But a simple drop KO'd him enough for Keizer to fuck with him a bit?
Now imagine that done by a Ghidorah who can easily pick up the fucker and toss him around. MV Ghidorah proved he's at home fighting in mid air as he is on the ground. As soon as GFW's KO'd, he'll be dropped from the stratosphere, like Legendary did, and won't enjoy that ride.

[Spuro]

The beam can do damage, but Ghidorah laughed off LPG's beam, which knocked him flat on his ass and then sent him back several hundred meters, and did nothing else to him.

To be fair, that could be said for how most kaiju in Godzilla movies react to being hit with beams. They get knocked over or pushed back, maybe cry out, but very rarely is physical damage seen.

[Inferno Rodan]

GFW on the other hand consistently showed explosive force on larger structures, blowing up the opera house and the two combined buildings with blasting Hedorah and Ebirah.

I have no desire to get into a full discussion about GFW's stupidity, but I am going to address this. First of all, the Sydney Opera House erupted in a fiery explosion simply from Zilla crashing into it which was nearly as large as the one caused by Godzilla blasting Zilla a few moments later. Secondly, the Hedorah-Ebirah-building explosion well after (like 2 seconds, IIRC) Godzilla stopped firing his beam so it's pretty silly to count that as a show of explosive force for the beam.

Fact of the matter is, based on what we see, KOTM Godzilla's beam is actually pretty comparable to GFW's overall.

[LamangoKaijura]

GFW Monsters are god, didn't you see the explosions GFW Anguirus was causing just by walking in Shan Hi? The ones bigger then him?

I'm giving this to MVKG. GFW Godzilla never fought anything this competent with fighting at all, so he'll have no fucking idea what to do.

[HillyHulk]

Both of them are roughly equal in close quarters combat, with Godzilla being stronger (being able to carry 10,000 more pounds comparing their strongest feats as far as memory goes as well as looking up both MV Godzilla and Kiezer Ghidorah's weights) and comparable speeds and reflexes. In durability, there's not much since only Ghidorah has that statistic tested out of the two. Ghidorah's faster regeneration would give him the edge to last and flight gives a slight edge with mobility (I say "slight" because Godzilla has shown he's perfectly able of fighting flying foes). Ghidorah's intellect seems to match Godzilla's (from what I saw from "Final Wars"), but his regeneration could buy the time he needs to outsmart Godzilla and absorb his energy. That ability would not give him much of an edge, however, when Ozaki is brought into play.

With the abilities he gains when given Kiezer energy, his first ability would keep Ghidorah away and stop him from absorbing again. The second ability, the Hyper Spiral Ray, would give him a power to use that Ghidorah wouldn't have anything to contend with it. Ghidorah would be able to deal with the heat, but the pressure coming from the beam would definitely be too much (how does one survive an attack that can shoot something into space without being immortal?) After that mouthful, I give it to Final Wars Godzilla.

[LamangoKaijura]

Doesn't MV Ghidorah siphon energy faster? Plus, he does it in the fucking air. Even if Ozaki gives Godzilla his energy, and Godzilla nuclear pulses free, he's falling from the fucking stratosphere.

[HillyHulk]

Doesn't MV Ghidorah siphon energy faster? Plus, he does it in the skreeonking air. Even if Ozaki gives Godzilla his energy, and Godzilla nuclear pulses free, he's falling from the skreeonking stratosphere.

He's survived big falls before (directly on his head, no less), so while that would be a factor it wouldn't be too much for him. Also, even if the siphoning being faster is true, he still would have the means to keep him at bay.

On a side note, if that was a response to what I just said, quote it so I can see it and respond.

[Tomzilla]

I'm disappointed! It seems like this fight would've been better suited in Antarctica, given how both FinalGoji and MV Ghidorah were prisoners there. Missed opportunity.

Base Final Wars Godzilla is a powerhouse. He's nearly on equal footing with Heisei Godzilla, though I'd ultimately favor Heisei in a matchup between the two. pre-Nuke powerup MonsterVerse Godzilla is roughly on par with Heisei and FinalGoji, with a few crucial advantages (e.g., his nuclear absorption ability is a gamechanger). And yet despite all that MV Ghidorah is a more significant threat, mainly because of his super regeneration. It'll negate any damage FW Goji inflicts. And as far as CQC is concerned, which will be what determines the outcome of this battle, both kaiju are vicious brutes. Ultimately, I'm leaning towards Ghidorah, with the alien hydra electing to strangle FW Godzilla to siphon his power.

If Ozaki succeeds in giving FW Goji a power boost--and I don't see why he wouldn't be--then the tides of battle will instantly turn, heavily favoring Keizer Godzilla.

[Gigantis]

I'm disappointed! It seems like this fight would've been better suited in Antarctica, given how both FinalGoji and MV Ghidorah were prisoners there. Missed opportunity.
Base Final Wars Godzilla is a powerhouse. He's nearly on equal footing with Heisei Godzilla, though I'd ultimately favor Heisei in a matchup between the two. pre-Nuke powerup MonsterVerse Godzilla is roughly on par with Heisei and FinalGoji, with a few crucial advantages (e.g., his nuclear absorption ability is a gamechanger). And yet despite all that MV Ghidorah is a more significant threat, mainly because of his super regeneration. It'll negate any damage FW Goji inflicts. And as far as CQC is concerned, which will be what determines the outcome of this battle, both kaiju are vicious brutes. Ultimately, I'm leaning towards Ghidorah, with the alien hydra electing to strangle FW Godzilla to siphon his power.

If Ozaki succeeds in giving FW Goji a power boost--and I don't see why he wouldn't be--then the tides of battle will instantly turn, heavily favoring Keizer Godzilla.

great, now i feel stupid for not doing that. thanks Tom!

also agree with you on the fight's outcome. MV Ghido is strong, but Keizer Godzilla is on such a different level.

[Spuro]

Doesn't MV Ghidorah siphon energy faster? Plus, he does it in the skreeonking air. Even if Ozaki gives Godzilla his energy, and Godzilla nuclear pulses free, he's falling from the skreeonking stratosphere.

Nah he just choked out Godzilla with his neck. My anatomy/chokehold knowledge is a bit rusty but I seem to remember that you can pinch a nerve around the neck if you find the right pressure point and cause someone to pass out.

[Tomzilla]

MV Ghidorah sucked the power out of Boston within seconds. Granted, I don't think Boston's electrical grid has more energy than Final Wars Godzilla, but it's still an impressive siphoning feat.

[LamangoKaijura]

He's survived big falls before (directly on his head, no less), so while that would be a factor it wouldn't be too much for him. Also, even if the siphoning being faster is true, he still would have the means to keep him at bay.

Oh you mean... falling slowly onto a building. At most...200 meters? Compared to fucking getting dropped from the STRATOSPHERE, YOU KNOW... where the only other monster that was dropped from that height was Heisei Gamera?

Nah he just choked out Godzilla with his neck. My anatomy/chokehold knowledge is a bit rusty but I seem to remember that you can pinch a nerve around the neck if you find the right pressure point and cause someone to pass out.

How the fuck can you choke something with gills?