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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby JVM » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:52 pm

Besides, its highly unlikely a T-rex would kill a Spino in a confrontation, since the sailback is nearly twice its size. After a few stray intimidating roars, wither party would back off.

I was about to call bullshit but then I saw the last sentence. That sounds about right really. If the two did fight, I really think it could go either way. The Spino has it's advantages and so does Rex. If you ask me, the real insult of the fight was how bloody short it was.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:58 am

so the spino won because he has a mohawk on his back?


What in my post implied that? :?

But technically you are right. The Spino is already friggin' huge. Its like nearly twice the T-rex's size and weight. The sail makes it look even bigger. So it looks titanic at this point. It wold probably scare off the T-rex even if its not really physically superior.

And even if came to blows, the T-rex isn't neccesarily going to just tear the Spino's head off. Don't forget how intimidating the Spino looks. It is much larger than the T-rex, and is, fish-eater or not, a predatory dinosaur. The T-rex isn't just gonna charge in to rip the Spino apart like it will to a hadrosaur. The rex is going to be more cautious. So it pretty much cmes down to who lands the first blow. The T-rex can inflict more devastating damage, but if the Spino lands a good strike with those spinosaur huge hooks, or its jaws for that matter, the T-rex ain't gonna stay. It will back off. A bite from the Spinosaur, while not particulary powerful, are still well capable of tearing into flesh, and having splintered teeth (the Spino's teeth are hollow, thus considerably weaker than normal fangs) in your wound is a sure-way for septicimia, a death sentence for most dinosaurs. So it really comes down to who lands the first blow.

So the JP3 movie wasn't all that innacurate. And it was a adolescent T-rex against what is supposed to be a full-grown Spino. Of course, you could go down to details and say how te Spino couldn't have tanked a Rex bite, but if you want to be so damn realistic, a dnosaur move founded upon unrealistic concepts shuldn't be what yu are watching.

If you ask me, the real insult of the fight was how bloody short it was.


The movie wasn't all about the fight. Its only natural it couldn't have been all that long. We know it was close for the most of it, and it was epic, if ou ask me. Besides, the real fight wouldn't be very long either.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby gwolf » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:34 pm

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so the spino won because he has a mohawk on his back?


What in my post implied that? :?

But technically you are right. The Spino is already friggin' huge. Its like nearly twice the T-rex's size and weight. The sail makes it look even bigger. So it looks titanic at this point. It wold probably scare off the T-rex even if its not really physically superior.


No it's not. While some (insane) estimates have put the size of Spinosaurus at 20 tonnes, a much more logical weight estimate would be between 8 and 9 tonnes. There was an estimate of only 7 tonnes. The largest Tyrannosaurs we've found are around 8 tonnes, with the average being 7, 7.5. So while (probably) heavier, in the context of giant carnivores, it's not a huge difference. As for height, at most it's a foot or two taller, the real size difference is in the length of the body, and that's debatable. Some people put it at 60 feet long, some people put it at 40. Basically we just don't have the material to give a concrete estimate, bar the fact it is huge.

And even if came to blows, the T-rex isn't neccesarily going to just tear the Spino's head off. Don't forget how intimidating the Spino looks. It is much larger than the T-rex, and is, fish-eater or not, a predatory dinosaur. The T-rex isn't just gonna charge in to rip the Spino apart like it will to a hadrosaur. The rex is going to be more cautious. So it pretty much cmes down to who lands the first blow. The T-rex can inflict more devastating damage, but if the Spino lands a good strike with those spinosaur huge hooks, or its jaws for that matter, the T-rex ain't gonna stay. It will back off. A bite from the Spinosaur, while not particulary powerful, are still well capable of tearing into flesh, and having splintered teeth (the Spino's teeth are hollow, thus considerably weaker than normal fangs) in your wound is a sure-way for septicimia, a death sentence for most dinosaurs. So it really comes down to who lands the first blow.


Disregarding the intimidation factor of a sail...if indeed it was a sail and not a fat storage, physically you're looking at two very different animals. Spinosaurus is a highly specialised piscivore. It seems to have been designed in a similar fashion to its relatives (Baryonyx, Irritator, Suchomimus) which is where we get the assumption of large hooked claws. We don't actually have spinosaur hand material. But while these, along with the elongate teeth (I've never heard of them being hollow, and any spinosaur teeth I've seen seem relatively sturdy. Compressed and highly recurved, but not overly weak. In fact splintering teeth would be a poor evolution as it means you probably couldn't hold onto the small dinosaurs or wriggling fish you're hunting), would have allowed it to be an excellent fish hunter (kinda a grizzly on steroids), the animal shared its environment with Carcharadontosaurus, a big alpha carnivore. This suggests that the two were occupying different niches, and that Spinosaurus may not have been designed for hunting big prey. I would say what we know of the body does not suggest an animal that's tussling with animals approaching its size too often. It may have used its size in order to intimidate other carnivores off kills but that does not relate to anything bar big is scary. Tyrannosaurus on the other hand is ferociously overpowered for its size. It's extremely well muscled, it's retained the Ceolurosaur leg design, so it was probably relatively fast, binocular vision etc. All indicating an animal capable of tussling with others approaching its size. The jaw strength may have been in excess of 20 tonnes psi. A test done for a (granted iffy) show created a model which was capable of shearing a car in half. A single good bite from a Tyrannosaur would have a high percentage chance of crippling its prey, or killing in one blow. And it probably hunted animals larger than itself. We have Cretaceous sauropods, and many people have estimated the likes of Triceratops easily coming in at 10 tonnes. You've got two animals, both specialised but both doing different jobs. A few slashes and bites from a Spinosaurus, unless lucky, wouldn't kill a big theropod. A single bite from a rex may kill or cripple a ceratopsian or small sauropod. T. rex may have been slightly smaller, but pound for pound it was probably a tougher animal. That said, Spinosaurus would not be an easy kill, and simply throwing your weight around is a surprisingly effiecent strategy.

In the end I've always thought it was a ridiculous argument, more reflective of our habit of trying to monsterise dinosaurs than anything else. You don't seem to get online wars about lions vs tigers do you?

So the JP3 movie wasn't all that innacurate. And it was a adolescent T-rex against what is supposed to be a full-grown Spino. Of course, you could go down to details and say how te Spino couldn't have tanked a Rex bite, but if you want to be so damn realistic, a dnosaur move founded upon unrealistic concepts shuldn't be what yu are watching.


Actually, that's a fan theory. The robot is the same one used for the male rex in TLW. You can actually see its got the same facial scars. The reason people came up with the theory is because the Spinosaurus robot is a bit small. It's about 16 feet tall. They tried for 17 or 18 feet, but the robot turned out to be top heavy. So they needed to scale the rex down to 14 feet in official material to keep the spino bigger.

If you ask me, the real insult of the fight was how bloody short it was.


The movie wasn't all about the fight. Its only natural it couldn't have been all that long. We know it was close for the most of it, and it was epic, if ou ask me. Besides, the real fight wouldn't be very long either.


It was by far an away the best bit of the movie. And it was well played. But it was far too short. For one thing, realism is not what any JP is about, its a movie, you do what you have to for entertainment

.....can yall STOP overanalyzing the TREX vs SPINO fight? It was supposed to be a passing the torch to a new super predator.


Technically it was Horner projecting. Him and Gregory Paul could start up a club in that regards. Man's an aboslute genius, but he's been beating that dead horse for 20 years...

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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Mini-Godzilla » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:01 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:When I first saw the movie in 2001 when it came out, I think it was okay. Not bad but not great neither.


When I saw it in theaters, the only thing that kept me from walking out was the person with me. Same problem I had with Alien vs. Predator and Terminator 3, actually. That's why I try to watch franchise sequels by myself now.

In short, I hated the film. And even when bananaoil convinced me to rewatch it earlier this year, I still hated it, despite my efforts to go easy on it. It's a theme park ride on celluloid, not a movie. The plot might have worked for the basic premise of a Land of the Lost-esque TV series, but it was far too thin for a Jurassic Park film.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby JVM » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:44 pm

wataru wrote:....can yall STOP overanalyzing the TREX vs SPINO fight? It was supposed to be a passing the torch to a new super predator.

Oh relax, Wataru. If you were debating and I said that to you, you'd be pissed off.

The movie wasn't all about the fight. Its only natural it couldn't have been all that long. We know it was close for the most of it, and it was epic, if ou ask me. Besides, the real fight wouldn't be very long either.

Well of course, but there was a longer version seen in trailers, etc. It's just kind of stupid they cut it down to Rex biting Spino's neck and the same - two attacks that would both be fatal.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Tue May 17, 2011 10:27 pm

Well since i searched far a wide, this was the first to come up...

With a supposed ''New Trilogy'' on the way...... Sam Neill who was in the first an third Jurassic park says do NOT expect a JP4 the franchise is dead....

Link - http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.p ... 89&count=0

While it isn't confirming or denying anything we didn't already know, If Universal want's a 4th film it will happen but it sucks to here the Dinosaur's are still dead. I'd like to hear it from Joe Johnston's mouth before i take this with any grain of salt... but i do miss having Dinosaur movies in theater.

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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Zilla103192 » Wed May 18, 2011 4:47 am

Monster Master wrote:Frankly, I'm expecting a remake that's more along the lines of the book than a sequel within the next 5-10 years.


I would LOVE a more faithful adaption.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Ethan » Wed May 18, 2011 10:11 am

"What's so great about discovery? It's a violent, penetrative act that scars what it observes. What you call discovery I call the rape of the natural world". Malcolm is easily the best character in the franchise. And then of course, there's this:
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby TokyoVigilante » Wed May 18, 2011 2:02 pm

I'm tired of watching Tyler's ass with animatronics and actors from the nineteen-eighties.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Crocodile » Wed May 18, 2011 2:05 pm

Tyler wrote:Remake my ass.


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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby TokyoVigilante » Wed May 18, 2011 2:07 pm

It was the first decade that came to mind. The point is, we need to reboot your ass with for a new generation of ass lovers.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby HayesAJones » Wed May 18, 2011 3:30 pm

I think Tyler's ass is fine the way it is.

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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Giratina93 » Wed May 18, 2011 4:30 pm

The JP trilogy was whht got me into Dinosaurs in the first place. The first movie was revoluionary. No other movie up to that point in time had done what it had managed to do... Needless to say, i hold the series (Yes, even the third movie) in high regard.

As for what Gwolf said last page... I agree with all of what (S)he said. As I am also something of a mini-dino expect, all of what G-wolf said on the Spino and T-rex is true...
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:13 pm

Steven Spielberg meets with screen writer to toss around idea's for a 4th ''Jurassic park''

- http://screenrant.com/jurassic-park-4-s ... ob-119788/

Thank God! Just bring back Tyrannosaurus Rex as the main predator an im there...... Im glad theres some hope for this film.

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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Biollante » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:25 pm

Bring back Jeff Goldblum.

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Postby DrKaiju1954 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:29 pm

I hope they give EVERY dinosaur some decent screen time.Just about every dinosaur in the series has a huge fan following and some have been let down(i.e. Dilophosaurus,Triceratops,Spinosaurus(thats my opinion),and if they do have a dinosaur fight,at least let it be satisfying to most people because there will be people who don't like it no matter what so don't go trying to make one group happy.Thats my two cents.
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby Biollante » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:35 pm

I wonder if they plan on using the established JP dinosaurs or take the accurate route and fill them with feathers.

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Postby DrKaiju1954 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:38 pm

Biollante wrote:I wonder if they plan on using the established JP dinosaurs or take the accurate route and fill them with feathers.

I've grown up with raptors and other dinosaurs the way they were back then and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way .
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Re: The Jurassic Park Trilogy

Postby HayesAJones » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:56 pm

Personally, I think a fully-feathered raptor would be badass. Giving it a little mane or crest that spikes up right before it attacks. And I wish they were correctly sized too, no more big-as-a-man stuff. Small dromaeosaurs can be just as dangerous.

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Postby DrKaiju1954 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:03 pm

Wouldn't it be wierd to see raptors change so dramatically from one movie to another?A lot of fans would be confused by that.
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