King Kong Tribute Thread (THE REAL KING KONG!)

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Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:02 am

^No screenplay treatment but it has black and white scans of most of the art.

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Postby Mr. Yellow » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:48 am

Shhh! The Octopus wrote:Not to sound like a shill but I Just picked up this great book

If you guys are remotely interested in lost King Kong films you'll enjoy the book. For me personally I never knew they planned an Abbot and Costello Meet King Kong movie.

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Postby mikelcho » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:39 am

Shhh! The Octopus wrote:^No screenplay treatment but it has black and white scans of most of the art.
Lovely! Maybe I'll get it after all. Does it say anything about the basic plot of the story?

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Postby Vakanai » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:10 pm

Wait, wait...were there really plans for both King Kong meets Frankenstein and Abbot and Costello films? Because I thought that was just solely fanboy dreams I was daydreaming all in my head.
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Postby G2000 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:18 pm

Vakanai wrote:Wait, wait...were there really plans for both King Kong meets Frankenstein and Abbot and Costello films? Because I thought that was just solely fanboy dreams I was daydreaming all in my head.


I hadn't known about the Abbot and Costello films until now, but King Kong vs Frankenstein is fairly well known. It was the project that eventually became King Kong vs Godzilla, actually. It began as an idea from Willis O'Brien for a Kong sequel; IIRC he was very disappointed with how Son of Kong turned out and wanted to retcon it. The general plotline and some concept art drawn by Obie himself has been in circulation for years now. The film would have revolved around Kong (revealed to have survived his fall in New York and had been secretly smuggled back to Skull Island by Carl Denham) doing battle with the Ginko (a creation of one of Frankenstein's descendants made from a hodgepodge of African animals) in San Francisco.

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On reflection, it's sort of funny how many unmade kaiju films were set in San Francisco (Kong vs Frankenstein, The Volcano Monsters, Godzilla: King of the Monsters 3D, and the unmade 1994 Rossio-Elliot TriStar Godzilla script off the top of my head)
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Postby Vakanai » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:02 am

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Vakanai wrote:Wait, wait...were there really plans for both King Kong meets Frankenstein and Abbot and Costello films? Because I thought that was just solely fanboy dreams I was daydreaming all in my head.


I hadn't known about the Abbot and Costello films until now, but King Kong vs Frankenstein is fairly well known. It was the project that eventually became King Kong vs Godzilla, actually. It began as an idea from Willis O'Brien for a Kong sequel; IIRC he was very disappointed with how Son of Kong turned out and wanted to retcon it. The general plotline and some concept art drawn by Obie himself has been in circulation for years now. The film would have revolved around Kong (revealed to have survived his fall in New York and had been secretly smuggled back to Skull Island by Carl Denham) doing battle with the Ginko (a creation of one of Frankenstein's descendants made from a hodgepodge of African animals) in San Francisco.

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On reflection, it's sort of funny how many unmade kaiju films were set in San Francisco (Kong vs Frankenstein, The Volcano Monsters, Godzilla: King of the Monsters 3D, and the unmade 1994 Rossio-Elliot TriStar Godzilla script off the top of my head)

Huh, neat. In the fantasy I was dreaming up I'd have stuck with the fall having killed Kong and Dr. Frankenstein (or a descendant) would bring the great ape back to life. Which in my imaginary continuity is why Kong is powered by lightning when King Kong vs. Godzilla comes around, lightning having already brought him back before.

Weird. And 2014 Godzilla actually ended in San Fran. I mean, there are other west coast cities. Personally I'd like to see a kaiju topple the Space Needle.
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Vakanai wrote:Wait, wait...were there really plans for both King Kong meets Frankenstein and Abbot and Costello films? Because I thought that was just solely fanboy dreams I was daydreaming all in my head.


I hadn't known about the Abbot and Costello films until now, but King Kong vs Frankenstein is fairly well known. It was the project that eventually became King Kong vs Godzilla, actually. It began as an idea from Willis O'Brien for a Kong sequel; IIRC he was very disappointed with how Son of Kong turned out and wanted to retcon it. The general plotline and some concept art drawn by Obie himself has been in circulation for years now. The film would have revolved around Kong (revealed to have survived his fall in New York and had been secretly smuggled back to Skull Island by Carl Denham) doing battle with the Ginko (a creation of one of Frankenstein's descendants made from a hodgepodge of African animals) in San Francisco.

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On reflection, it's sort of funny how many unmade kaiju films were set in San Francisco (Kong vs Frankenstein, The Volcano Monsters, Godzilla: King of the Monsters 3D, and the unmade 1994 Rossio-Elliot TriStar Godzilla script off the top of my head)

Huh, neat. In the fantasy I was dreaming up I'd have stuck with the fall having killed Kong and Dr. Frankenstein (or a descendant) would bring the great ape back to life. Which in my imaginary continuity is why Kong is powered by lightning when King Kong vs. Godzilla comes around, lightning having already brought him back before.

Weird. And 2014 Godzilla actually ended in San Fran. I mean, there are other west coast cities. Personally I'd like to see a kaiju topple the Space Needle.


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Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:05 am

I found the plot summary for Continuation:King Kong vs Godzilla to be very interesting. The script was written by Shinichi Sekizawa who wrote the script for King Kong vs Godzilla. There is a scene where a group of entrepreneurs raise Godzillas carcass from the bottom of the Ocean off of the coast of Atami and bring it to an island in the Seto Inland Sea to turn into a tourist attraction. Of course it turns out Godzilla is only comatose and not dead, but the fact that the same script writer from the previous film had Godzillas "corpse" raised from the same spot that the final battle in the previous film took place, pretty much tells you that Kong was indeed the winner in the previous film.

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Postby SickleFeather » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:22 pm

By any chance, does it say anything about the "Baboon: A Tale about a Yeti" project in LeMay's book?
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Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:18 am

^ Yes that's in there.

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Postby Loganrules115 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:01 pm

cloverfan98 wrote:
Mr. Yellow wrote:I love pulling the thread of influence. Obie inspired so many who then turned around to inspire many more after. As Ray Harryhausen put it, “That’s why the way the snowball goes.” I know Kong inspired Tsuburaya, but Beast from 20,000 Fathoms had a big influence as well.


Makes me sad that Ray hated the Godzilla films because Tsuburaya was just like him. A kindred spirit who was also influenced by Obie.

I can understand the feeling, since Ray knew O'Brien personally and the cheapness of suitmation must have felt like an insult to stop-motion animators.
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Postby UltramanGoji » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:13 pm

Which is ironic because suitmation does stop motion’s job ten times better.
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Postby Shhh! The Octopus » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:14 am

^ I got to go with stop motion on that one.

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Postby Mr. Yellow » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:14 am

I like both and respect both. Tsuburaya had intended to use stop motion before realizing it was too expensive.
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Postby Loganrules115 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:48 am

UltramanGoji wrote:Which is ironic because suitmation does stop motion’s job ten times better.

I respectfully disagree. While suitmation can look incredible when done right, stop motion tends to look more real.
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Postby _JNavs_ » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:24 pm

Stop Motion Kong is scarier to me than suit Kong.


I can't place my finger on why.
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_JNavs_ wrote:Stop Motion Kong is scarier to me than suit Kong.


I can't place my finger on why.


There's something fundamentally uncanny about stop motion. Well, really about animation in general. Our brain knows we're watching something move that just should not be moving.
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Postby MaxRebo320 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:08 pm

It's apples and oranges for me. Suitmation can certainly have a more organic feel, whereas stop motion's movements can be naturally jerky, but there's certainly a more time-consuming, careful feel with (good) stop motion. When done well, I see an equal amount of craftsmanship put into both.

I've never heard that Ray Harryhausen disliked Godzilla movies, but if so, that's pretty upsetting. While I enjoy the Harryhausen movies I've seen, I'd call very few superior to Toho's monster outputs from the "Golden Age" (Again, apart from the debatable monster portions of them).

Its a pretty common viewpoint for old, curmudgeonly "monster kids" to have disdain for Japanese monster movies, viewing them as little more than cheap, childish crap, but view the likes of It Came from Beneath the Sea or 20 Million Miles to Earth as masterpieces. Pretty stupid.
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Postby Terasawa » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:41 pm

eabaker wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:Stop Motion Kong is scarier to me than suit Kong.


I can't place my finger on why.


There's something fundamentally uncanny about stop motion. Well, really about animation in general. Our brain knows we're watching something move that just should not be moving.


It could also be that there is no natural motion blur from stop motion animation that you'd see from literally anything else.
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Postby eabaker » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:28 pm

Terasawa wrote:
eabaker wrote:
_JNavs_ wrote:Stop Motion Kong is scarier to me than suit Kong.


I can't place my finger on why.


There's something fundamentally uncanny about stop motion. Well, really about animation in general. Our brain knows we're watching something move that just should not be moving.


It could also be that there is no natural motion blur from stop motion animation that you'd see from literally anything else.


Well, yes, that's probably the factor that most clearly clues the viewer in to the fact that the thing should not be/is not actually moving.
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