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Wow. I didn't know that so many Godzilla fans were bigoted homophobes.

Dammit. REALLY???

Dude, as if there aren't already enough off-putting things about this fandom...If we have to start dealing with homophobia and bigots too, then I think that would finally drive me back into the Godzilla collecting closet. Gay people are a thing. A REAL thing. Get over it. The world is moving toward tolerance, and that's a fact. Get over your self or get crushed in the tide, 'cause the world is changing. Some of the best, kindest people I've ever had the pleasure to know are gay. Just because you've never actually met a gay person, or ever tried to treat/talk to one like they're a human being with all of the rights, pains, and goals you have doesn't mean they don't exist. In ten years time, your statement, even if you don't mean to sound so harsh, will be seen and regarded in the same way as if you had said, "I don't want to see any black or Mexican people in my comic". That's not a place I think you want to put yourself.

End rant, 'cause that was exactly what it was.

Let's get back to discussing things that actually matter about the comic, shall we?

I'm not gonna say anything, other than the art looks pretty good.

At least we have character diversity.
On another note, I'm liking the art!
Can't wait for May!

Proofpoochie wrote:Wow. I didn't know that so many Godzilla fans were bigoted homophobes.

Something I've been noticing is that it's really only one or two people per forum or thread who have, as I've pointed out elsewhere, been offended on the BEHALF of theoretical "others" who might, somewhere in the world, be offended.

It seems less like homophobia, and more like just...well, the internet

Godzilla fans are a lot more tolerant than one might think. I'm more amazed at watching this minority getting shouted down by the majority.

Just read the preview it looks already better then KOM and the art is amazing.
one thing I liked about legends 2 is the art and in this preview you can see how good Simon Gane really is.
honestly the worst part about legends 2 was the story
And KoM had a okay story but the art was just ugly Although some shots where good at times.

oh and also''Godzilla takes place several years after KoM''
and ''The Monsters are rising once again.""
So it kinda is a sequel to KOM i suppose

Proofpoochie wrote:Wow. I didn't know that so many Godzilla fans were bigoted homophobes.

Yes, because one person = many people.

Personally, I find it pretty neat. It gives it a "real world" feeling.

Rody wrote: If this guy is going to be a recurring character, we have to sympathize for him. The fact that he is homosexual, and that such a relationship is supposed to be the tragedy here, makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with him.

What is wrong with you?

^Don't even bother, man. You can't knock any sense into a mind that's already set that way.

I'm excited for this new series. I pretty much skipped KOM (though will buy/read the TPBs simply to support the franchise), but if this one is good enough I might start picking up single issues again. We'll see how it goes, gonna keep my expectations low just in case.. :)

Here's the thing. If Urv's ONLY character trait is that he's gay, then I oppose his inclusion based on hackneyed writing. But if he's a three dimensional character who happens to be gay, then I applaud the versatility and progression of this franchise. Regardless, the fate of his wedding is a neat hook.

Can we get off the gay topic here? It was actually very unimportant to the first five pages there. I imagine it won't be a main plot point for the series, either.

Things I noticed:

•Rodan is the Showa version. Cool! Wasn't really a fan of the um.... Trendmasters Rodan of the last series.
•The art is great! Simplistic and yet you actually knoew what's going on. That last page with Goji was fantastic.
•Sequel to KOM. That's fine.
•the character was GAY! Did you see that??? GAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!
That's it so far. Can't wait to watch the Mercs tangle with the kaiju.

The art looks good! Its stylized enough to be unique, but still detailed enough to tell an interesting visual story. And the two page spread of the big guy in all his Heisei glory is great. I'm digging it.

And props to the groom! I have a feeling I'd do something similar. Damn giant spiders ruin everything.

Gane's got a fantastic Eduardo Risso/Euro vibe to his work that you never really get to see applied to kaiju; it looks fantastic. The only thing that's looks weird to me is the off-angle of G's spines in the spread, but that's something that can be tough to get right. VERY excited for this.

xenotactics wrote:

Rody wrote: If this guy is going to be a recurring character, we have to sympathize for him. The fact that he is homosexual, and that such a relationship is supposed to be the tragedy here, makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with him.

What is wrong with you?

There's nothing wrong with him. I dont like Chinese food and I dont want to see it in a Godzilla Comic, does that make me bigoted? No its just personal choice. I cant wait for the first time Godzilla smashes a house of worship (Church, Synagogue, Mosque etc...) If anyone says they dont like it, they will be labeled as "overly sensitive". I personally have no problem with the scene, but I have very easily stopped reading books, or watching shows, or engaging in any sort of media that goes to a place I personally dont care for. I dont rant about it to a bazillion people on the Interwebs, I just stop doing it.

Back on topic however- The preliminary art looks great, cant wait for May!

Kaijusamurai wrote:Raymond Burr was gay.

OH NOES EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER HARA-KIRIIIIIIIII!

First George Takei ruins Star Trek for me, and now this!!! http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ j/k

It is my firm opinion that homosexuality is WRONG. I know most people probably disagree, but that's how I see it.

Having homosexuality come up in the Godzilla franchise, for me, is sort of like if, say Pixar threw in a swear word to one of their films. The rest of the movie may be good, but that swear word throws you off, because it simply doesn't belong.
I'm not saying I won't read the comic; I will check out the Trade Paperback edition when it's released, just like the others. For me, though, this particular scene is distracting. Hopefully, it is ONLY this scene.

I apologize for starting an argument; I was just completely caught off guard by the news, and needed to vent slightly. Back on topic now...



It was nice to see Kumonga in action, and the gasoline trick was pretty neat. As I said before, the art is a definite improvement over KOM, and although I'm not quite keen on the style, I'm sure it will grow on me.

o.supreme wrote:

xenotactics wrote:

Rody wrote: If this guy is going to be a recurring character, we have to sympathize for him. The fact that he is homosexual, and that such a relationship is supposed to be the tragedy here, makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with him.

What is wrong with you?

There's nothing wrong with him. I dont like Chinese food and I dont want to see it in a Godzilla Comic, does that make me bigoted? No its just personal choice.

There's a difference between not liking something and not being able to sympathize with a character because he's gay. I have to admit to also having a few homophobic thoughts from time to time (mostly dealing with peripheral behaviors/affectations(?) rather than sexual preferences), but to say that you can't feel sympathy for a person's loss/tragedy because of his being gay is inhumane and quite possibly "hateful" in a genuine sense.

Rody wrote:I got the impression that he's ONE of the lead characters, though. And it's not as inconsequential as some are saying.
If this guy is going to be a recurring character, we have to sympathize for him. The fact that he is homosexual, and that such a relationship is supposed to be the tragedy here, makes it very difficult for me to sympathize with him.
If we never see this guy again, it won't bother me quite as much. Nevertheless, it is there.

Anyway, the artwork is at least an improvement. It doesn't look GREAT, but it's not BAD either.
I wish they didn't go with Heisei Godzilla, though.

You can't sympathize with him? Cause he's gay? How about the fact that he's a human being? You can't sympathize with a human being who just lost someone he loved, because they're gay? You're covering up being a major homophobe.

Just got my comics today from my comic shop I have to say I'm glad that Space Godzilla is in the comic finally. Now all we need is the others like Mothra and Gigan. As for Godzilla Legends I got Eggleton's #4 cover. Hedorah is just plain creepy with those big eyes of his and the goo. Still he's no match for Big G. For #5 I'm glad that guy pointed out he got cancer after climbing on Godzilla. Which reminds me why one guy back on DH's issue why didn't they get cancer? One part I like in this issue is that guy standing on Godzilla's head as they both looked at the sunset. So cute ^^ I wanna go on his head :O

I wish I didn't have to wait until JUNE to get the TPB.

Rody wrote:It is my firm opinion that homosexuality is WRONG.

I believe bigotry and ignorance is wrong. I think you should keep your hateful homophobic opinions to yourself.