Re: IDW's GODZILLA General Discussion
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:13 pm
Very nice. Simple, but impressive.
Very nice. Simple, but impressive.
Svitska -Svitska Donkun wrote:Why are these Godzilla comic books never about Godzilla? He's the hero character whether he does some bad things or not. I don;t know how I feel about some lame bounty hunter getting thrashed by Godzilla issue after issue, because you would never want him to win. And if the bounty hunter did win, all Hell would break lose amongst the fans. The character is completely nonsensical. And how come Godzilla always has to be the "ultimate threat"? How about making Spacegodzilla, or Destoroyah, or Desighidorah the ultimate threat and have the comic focus on Godzilla trying to defeat it? You know, make Godzilla a character NOT an obstacle, like friggin' Bob Cornow said he wanted in the interview with TK. I'm getting sick of these books treating Godzilla like an obstacle. Legends did it RIGHT. Do that, but put it all in one continuity. G-Force and the Psychic Squad work best in these kinds of books because they work with Godzilla as often as they try to stop him from destroying cities. They never kill him, all they want to do is study him and make sure he doesn't stumble into cities. It's more regulation than out to destroy. That way, you can root for everyone equally. Now, when I buy these books, I have to sit through a main character I'm waiting for Godzilla to just skreeonk kill. God,these books are uncreative, narrow, and silly. I could write better books. I could write infinitely better books. I'd probably go with a world setting similar to what was seen in GL # 3 and mix in elements of G-force, such as GL#1 and GL#4. Then expand and create one long massive storyline, and try not to focus on Godzilla every issue. And when a famous enemy appears, like Gigan, or Hedorah, that should like, be a 3 issue mini-arch at least.
I don't think Hell would break loose, I think you might be over-exaggerating there. Besides that, if a human won against Godzilla (But Godzilla still lives in the end, I say this because I know Toho won't let Godzilla die within a U.S comic ) then fans aren't gonna rage everywhere since we've seen events like that happen before within the films. Only how some fans will become disappointed is if the whole thing is handled poorly.Svitska Donkun wrote:Why are these Godzilla comic books never about Godzilla? He's the hero character whether he does some bad things or not. I don;t know how I feel about some lame bounty hunter getting thrashed by Godzilla issue after issue, because you would never want him to win. And if the bounty hunter did win, all Hell would break lose amongst the fans. The character is completely nonsensical. And how come Godzilla always has to be the "ultimate threat"? How about making Spacegodzilla, or Destoroyah, or Desighidorah the ultimate threat and have the comic focus on Godzilla trying to defeat it? You know, make Godzilla a character NOT an obstacle, like friggin' Bob Cornow said he wanted in the interview with TK. I'm getting sick of these books treating Godzilla like an obstacle. Legends did it RIGHT. Do that, but put it all in one continuity. G-Force and the Psychic Squad work best in these kinds of books because they work with Godzilla as often as they try to stop him from destroying cities. They never kill him, all they want to do is study him and make sure he doesn't stumble into cities. It's more regulation than out to destroy. That way, you can root for everyone equally. Now, when I buy these books, I have to sit through a main character I'm waiting for Godzilla to just skreeonk kill. God,these books are uncreative, narrow, and silly. I could write better books. I could write infinitely better books. I'd probably go with a world setting similar to what was seen in GL # 3 and mix in elements of G-force, such as GL#1 and GL#4. Then expand and create one long massive storyline, and try not to focus on Godzilla every issue. And when a famous enemy appears, like Gigan, or Hedorah, that should like, be a 3 issue mini-arch at least.
Well put, well put.Kaijusamurai wrote:Bazinga.
A hero doesn't have to be benevolent. Sure you can use the term anti-hero, but he's still a hero. He's a hero in the same way Hulk is, at the very least. Yeah, he's destructive and chaotic, but he's also the planet's last line of defense. And even if you want him to be completely bat-shit evil, at least characterize him. GMK characterized him. These books have failed to do that, and characterizing your monster cast is important, and this is something Curnow explicitly said he would attempt, and has in so far failed completely. Given the complete disappointment and bizarre mis-mosh the KOM comics were, I have difficulty trusting anything anyone says from the development team of the comics. Its like if Roland Emmerich said he;d do anothe rGodzilla film, but do it right. How trusting would you be? As far as being satisfied, I already was with the spectacular Legends cycle, but it was bittersweet, given that its now over, and it offered up 3 really awesome plot lines I will never see a conclusion to. I want that as a continuing comic. Just bridge the gaps a bit, and make it one cohesive universe, and you still have that opportunity to tell many unique stories. KOM was devoted to telling one story that could be barely called one, that wasn't really planned ahead, or seemingly at all, and handled virtually all the characters and monsters, and world, wrong.Kaijusamurai wrote: Svitska -
You have to understand, Toho's current stance is that Godzilla isn't the "hero." At best he's the anti-hero - a large gun that, if your lucky, gets pointed in the direction of a (slightly) bigger threat.
You also seem to be passing judgement on a story that you haven't read yet or really even know what it's about. Based on the preliminary story elements that I've read, this will be the story that will unite more of the fandom than just about any of the Godzilla comics previously. It may even satisfy you
Oh yeah, and "friggin' Bob Curnow"? Bobby is absolutely dedicated to making these books as good as can be. All I can ask if for you to give this new book a chance, especially since you haven't even read it yet.
EDIT - A few hours later - I do appreciate that you liked Legends as much as you did. But these comics as a whole are an opportunity to tell a variety of stories. If we try to please everyone, with every story, we please no one.
Firstly, I didn't say it was going to unify the entire fanbase in the history of forever with gumdrops and rainbows and crap, I said it would "unite more of the fandom" than the previous comics, meaning that, based on what I've read, it plays to what fans are hoping for/expecting. Based on everything you've been saying/talking about, it'll be right up your alley!Svitska Donkun wrote: A hero doesn't have to be benevolent. Sure you can use the term anti-hero, but he's still a hero. He's a hero in the same way Hulk is, at the very least. Yeah, he's destructive and chaotic, but he's also the planet's last line of defense. And even if you want him to be completely bat-shit evil, at least characterize him. GMK characterized him. These books have failed to do that, and characterizing your monster cast is important, and this is something Curnow explicitly said he would attempt, and has in so far failed completely. Given the complete disappointment and bizarre mis-mosh the KOM comics were, I have difficulty trusting anything anyone says from the development team of the comics. Its like if Roland Emmerich said he;d do anothe rGodzilla film, but do it right. How trusting would you be? As far as being satisfied, I already was with the spectacular Legends cycle, but it was bittersweet, given that its now over, and it offered up 3 really awesome plot lines I will never see a conclusion to. I want that as a continuing comic. Just bridge the gaps a bit, and make it one cohesive universe, and you still have that opportunity to tell many unique stories. KOM was devoted to telling one story that could be barely called one, that wasn't really planned ahead, or seemingly at all, and handled virtually all the characters and monsters, and world, wrong.
With all due respect, unifying the fanbase is an extreme claim to make, and unless the development team from KOM hasn't been removed, I don't see that happening.
MekaGojira3k wrote:Matt Frank's cover for Issue 2 of the new series.
Godzilla #2
Duane Swierczynski (w) • Simon Gane (a) • Zach Howard, Matt Frank (c)
Boxer is ready to settle the score with Godzilla, and assembles his "Monster Kill Crew," a group of highly-trained weirdos, each with their own private grudge against the kaiju. As we get to know these mercenaries the team stocks up on all the equipment they'll need to take down their first bounty—ANGUIRUS!
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
*Variant Covers:
Jeff Zornow variant cover!
Bullet Points:
The action-packed monster movie in comic book form you've been waiting for!
Godzilla: Legends
Matt Frank, Jeff Prezenkowski, John Vankin, Mike Raicht, Chris Mowry, & Bobby Curnow (w) • Matt Frank, Simon Gane, Tony Parker, EJ Su, & Dean Haspiel (a) • Art Adams (c)
Focusing on Godzilla's fearsome rogues gallery, each story shines a light on a kaiju that has never before been the center of a comic book story. These stories delve into the minds of Anguirus, Rodan, Titanosaurus, Hedorah, and Kumonga to bring the TOHO universe to life!
TPB • FC • $19.99 • 128 pages • ISBN 978-1-61377-223-2
Bullet points:
• This collection also includes an incredible cover gallery by legendary Godzilla artists Chris Scalf, Bob Eggleton, and Art Adams!
This. I'd say Godzilla's pretty much a villain in KOM.wataru wrote:Is Godzilla really an anti-hero in KOM?
Anti-heros are characters that do not resemble the typical hero, but does heroic deeds and has heroic values. That may also inspire sympathy and empathy from the audience.