The K.W.C. General Discussion Thread

[Gigantis]

^Kaishin has literally been promised to be in the K.W.C since..2016? C'mon, it's about time something comes up with him.

Like you said once, people just don't care about certain monsters. Nobody wanted Godzillasaurus since he was included, i can't recall anyone except Birdman really liking the Terror Beast. But even though some only have on or two matches (the Titans, Ultraseven etc) people are still interested in them.

[soulgodzilla]

^Kaishin has literally been promised to be in the K.W.C since..2016? C'mon, it's about time something comes up with him.

Like you said once, people just don't care about certain monsters. Nobody wanted Godzillasaurus since he was included, i can't recall anyone except Birdman really liking the Terror Beast. But even though some only have on or two matches (the Titans, Ultraseven etc) people are still interested in them.

I do like the Terror Beasts, though I usually prefer Zandora and Jikiro since they’re at least more versatile then Spyler and Wargilgar.

Really, the only lad that I wish wouldn’t get retire is C-Rex since I like him.

[GodzillavsZilla]

i can't recall anyone except Birdman really liking the Terror Beast.

I like Wargilgar and I've said my distain for him getting retired in the past.

Even if I haven't written anything with him due to writer's block fucking me over. I do respect the decision and reasoning as to why he's being retired... I'm still not happy about it tho!

[Greyshot151]

Yeah... This is really starting to feel more and more like "Let's get rid of everything Christian brought to the K.W.C."

So let me say, I have NEVER, not once, said we should get rid of these monsters because you brought them in. Assuming that is a bit of an overreaction if I may say so.

but you're going to bring in monsters like Behemoth (who I love, but I thought the entire thing was waiting to see if he shows off any powers in Godzilla vs. Kong first) and Kaishin Muba (who doesn't even do anything and is killed by a single human being).

From the top we have Black Moth, Colossal Titan, Dogora, Gezora, Shin Godzilla, Godzillasaurus, Kumasogami & Maguma. NONE of these monsters fought another monster, but we have them in the K.W.C. because their stated abilities are unique enough to bring them in. Well, minus one and he is now retired.

I was swayed with this information and how the book does detail Behemoth's traits. For the K.W.C., we will be drawing from both sources. Also, the feedback I received overwhelmingly wished for his inclusion. Sticking to my proposal for transparency and keeping with the communities' wishes, I decided to include him and give him the green light.

Do you guys really think Kaishin Muba is going to have a long, glorious career in the K.W.C.?

I think he'll do just fine. To be fair Kumasogami did squat in the movie yet he is one of the most popular villains in the K.W.C. Plenty of history to support Kaishin might have a similar run.

I knew retiring Godzillasaurus - yet another of the monsters I brought onto the roster - was starting down a slippery slope.

If you think the monsters are being retired and we DON"T have replacements in the works, let me assure you now that we do. And some, like Angira, have not been stated to maximize the surprise for when they do come out.

I mean, really, I haven't seen Gabara or Gaira or Legion or Hedorah or Jet Jaguar or GAMERA in a while, either - Will we be retiring them as well?

ACTUALLY...places nerd glasses on face... we recently enacted a new system where I can see EVERY match in our inventory the moment a verifier receives it. No change in our system of course, but it should alleviate the drought you described. This should also allow monsters which haven't had a match in a while to get a "fast track" or maybe allow a monster which has alot of matches to be used in a way not able before.

The entire reason Heisei Ghidorah was retired way back when wasn't because "nobody uses him" - We didn't give a shit about that. We retired him because we were introducing yet another Ghidorah at the time - Grand Ghidorah...
I knew retiring Godzillasaurus - yet another of the monsters I brought onto the roster - was starting down a slippery slope.

We retired Godzillasaurus for Shin Godzilla. But I mean, you're right, completely different scenario

But look, overall, some monsters may be retired for now but they may also return one day. Maybe retiring them will cause them to gain some interest and people will write matches for them. I mean, King Ghidorah H got more matches after his retirement then he did prior to his removal. If that isn't a glaring beacon of positivity from being retired, I don't know what is.

[UltramanGoji]

I don't normally care about the KWC beyond reading a match or two when I'm listening to music, but I'd just like to pipe in and say that Kaishin Muba is a boring choice for an inclusion because literally anything he does can be done better and more interestingly by other monsters already in the thing.

[soulgodzilla]

Now that he mentions about monsters not having allot of matches, does Biollante have a match waiting to be uploaded?

[TitanoGoji16]

^So..your saying that X and Grey are biased against you? Yes i know that it kinda sucks that some of these characters are getting retired, but you're seriously just gonna assume that?

Allow me to clarify in case I didn't communicate things as well as I thought I had. I don't think they have a personal vendetta or scheme or whatever against me (at least, I'd hope not...) I just find it rather odd that like 95-99% of the monsters getting retired are all ones I brought in.

And yes we know maybe Kaishin isn't gonna have the best career, but at least people are up to use him! Unlike Diagoro or Goliath.

But if we know ahead of time that Kaishin Muba isn't gonna be in a lot of matches, then why are we even bringing him in? Not having a lot of match is supposedly why all these other kaiju are getting retired.

Titano and/or Christian (I dont know people's names)

Titano is Christian.

So let me say, I have NEVER, not once, said we should get rid of these monsters because you brought them in. Assuming that is a bit of an overreaction if I may say so.

And, like, logically and objectively, I know this? But, as I said a few lines up, when nearly every single monster getting retired are ones I introduced, whether it's intentional or not...

If you think the monsters are being retired and we DON"T have replacements in the works, let me assure you now that we do.

Oh, I'm sure you have plenty of other kaiju coming to the roster, that wasn't my concern. I've just never been a fan of the whole "get rid of old characters to make way for new ones" mentality. Take Smash Bros., for example. I don't give a damn if they've added Lucario if we've lost Mewtwo in the process.

We retired Godzillasaurus for Shin Godzilla. But I mean, you're right, completely different scenario

And I still insist that Godzillasaurus is not "a Godzilla." Just because the word is in his name doesn't make him one. He has no powers, not even a kangaroo kick. No atomic ray, no regeneration. He's a dinosaur. A very durable one, but a dinosaur nonetheless. At the very least, he's only a technically related character, like Biollante or SpaceGodzilla or Mechagodzilla. In my eyes, it makes about as much sense to consider Gorosaurus "a Godzilla."

But look, overall, some monsters may be retired for now but they may also return one day. Maybe retiring them will cause them to gain some interest and people will write matches for them. I mean, King Ghidorah H got more matches after his retirement then he did prior to his removal. If that isn't a glaring beacon of positivity from being retired, I don't know what is.

I mean, renewed interest didn't exactly do Godzillasaurus a lot of good. >_>

[KaijuX]

Now that he mentions about monsters not having allot of matches, does Biollante have a match waiting to be uploaded?

Rest assured, she's got a match in the line up. Hopefully we'll be seeing her sooner than later.

As far as retiring goes, it partially cannot be helped that a lot of the ones applicable for the cutting table are ones TG brought in, and that is due to their age. Especially with the system in place, we now have a solid idea of who has matches and who doesn't, making it easier to determine who'll get the axe. If I had to narrow it down, I'd say anything before Match 200 is on the table. Those monsters have been given a respectable amount of time for matches to be written for, which includes monsters we've introduced. Then once 2021 comes by, we'll re-assess again and see who'll bite the dust in the future.

Here's the thing. The core community, which I say are the people here who write matches or post on these threads (or just generally more involved with the KWC than your average reader), love these combatants for their quirks, moreso than the people actually reading them. And if not love, then indifferent at worst (with a few exceptions). It's often writers who have to conjure a match, write it, and try and see how they can make the monster fun and interesting. So they often have to think of how to explore the monster(s) used in the match to differentiate it from the others. And it's a fun process that allows writers to get to know the monsters better, or interpret them in their own way. So in a way, all monsters on the roster are part of the family. Because we want them to shine in such a way that maybe their respective movies or shows couldn't, or explore the potential these characters possess.

However, there are two sides to the coin that always needs to be accounted for. There's us, the writers and creators, then there's the audience. I think it's important to take a step back and look at the bigger picture, and that is the audience who reads them. If the readers aren't happy with certain inclusions, then that has to be accounted for. And I think Greyshot bringing that into the picture is a fair way to gauge who's actually interested in what, because let's face it, the writers and readers have very different views. And we have to try and accommodate for both.

[GmkGoji]

Not gonna lie, i'm kind of sad I havn't been able to make a banner for an official match.

[UltimateDitto]

If I remember correctly there wasn't a top 10 favorite monsters / top 10 least favorite monsters list this time around, would definitely help gauge what people want to see and maybe not see?

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Not gonna lie, i'm kind of sad I havn't been able to make a banner for an official match.

You don't understand when matches are uploaded. Matches getting approved takes a while. As in we're still getting matches from like 2016 if I'm remembering right. Reason none of your banners have shown up is you weren't around for most of the ones being submitted. You'll get yours eventually, chill.

Titano is Christian.

Ah! My bad, sorry I suffer from I'm a dumbass disorder

[soulgodzilla]

Titano is Christian.

Ah! My bad, sorry I suffer from I'm a dumbass disorder

Don’t you mean Ding Dong disorder?

[Moth]

Gotta be real here.

After shooting down things like Pokemon (shot down is a understatement, more like nuked from orbit), retiring things like the Terror Beasts, and considering cutting things like Maguma.

Kaishin Muba feels like a slap in the face, y'know? Oh boy, another Heisei feller from a movie nobody really watched.

But, I'm still interested in writing stuff for him, because I just think he's neat.

[KaijuX]

Gotta be real here.

After shooting down things like Pokemon (shot down is a understatement, more like nuked from orbit), retiring things like the Terror Beasts, and considering cutting things like Maguma.

Kaishin Muba feels like a slap in the face, y'know? Oh boy, another Heisei feller from a movie nobody really watched.

But, I'm still interested in writing stuff for him, because I just think he's neat.

Nah, I get it. Just among the obscure-ish monsters we're cutting, here comes another weirdo. Granted, Kaishin Muba technically had already been confirmed--though more heavily hinted at the point of obviousness. So this was just to confirm that. It just came in the midst of all the other news thrown at everyone at once. Plus, I've been curious to flex my Kaishin Muba muscles for a while, see how much fun I can have with the dude.

[SoggyNoodles2016]

Poor Kashin Muba's like an original Galar Pokemon lol

Everyone angrier with who's leaving to make room for him then who he is

[Gigantis]

Kaishin i honestly felt we needed TBH. We have tons of fire monsters, wind monsters ice monsters etc. But we don't have a teal water themed combatant.

[MoarCrossovers]

Plus the K.W.C. needed more pseudo-hentai.

[soulgodzilla]

Kaishin i honestly felt we needed TBH. We have tons of fire monsters, wind monsters ice monsters etc. But we don't have a teal water themed combatant.

Well to be fair, we do have quite allot of water themed/adaptive swimming combatants. Like we have the Yog Trio, Dagahra, Manda, Titanosaurus, Ebirah, Aqua Mothra, Water Hedorah, Maguma and I guess C-Rex and Gaira if you wanna count them?

[Gigantis]

Kaishin i honestly felt we needed TBH. We have tons of fire monsters, wind monsters ice monsters etc. But we don't have a teal water themed combatant.

Well to be fair, we do have quite allot of water themed/adaptive swimming combatants. Like we have the Yog Trio, Dagahra, Manda, Titanosaurus, Ebirah, Aqua Mothra, Water Hedorah, Maguma and I guess C-Rex and Gaira if you wanna count them?

Yeah but how many of those are bound to the water?

Think of Kaishin Muba dragging a full on land monster (Anguirus, Frankenstein etc) underwater and slowly drowning them. That's a really cool scenario!

[HillyHulk]

Kaishin i honestly felt we needed TBH. We have tons of fire monsters, wind monsters ice monsters etc. But we don't have a teal water themed combatant.

Well to be fair, we do have quite allot of water themed/adaptive swimming combatants. Like we have the Yog Trio, Dagahra, Manda, Titanosaurus, Ebirah, Aqua Mothra, Water Hedorah, Maguma and I guess C-Rex and Gaira if you wanna count them?

Yeah but how many of those ate bound to the water?

Think of Kaishin Muba dragging a full on land monster (Anguirus, Frankenstein etc) underwater and slowly drowning them. That's a really cool scenario!

It's also among things that other kaiju (Dagahra, Manda, Gezora) can do and then some. I get the idea (I like uniqueness too), but I don't see the big deal in this scenario. Everything Kaishin can do, other sea kaiju can do better.