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What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:09 am

Okay, so, as I'm sure most of you are aware, adobe flash will be completely unusable after 2020. My question is: what's going to happen to the TK Toons on the main website? Is any effort being made to preserve these flash animations?
(Not entirely sure where this should go, so forgive me if this is in the wrong place.)
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby UltramanGoji » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:14 am

Hopefully not, there's not much worth saving.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:26 am

UltramanGoji wrote:Hopefully not, there's not much worth saving.

I dunno, I still get a chuckle out of them when I watch them every now and then. Like I actually grew up watching those, so I think it would be a huge loss if they were lost forever. An effort should at least be made to archive them.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby tyrantgoji » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:28 am

Yeah,TK Toon has become some actual trash. Think there the least important thing on the site as of now.

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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:37 am

tyrantgoji wrote:Yeah,TK Toon has become some actual trash. Think there the least important thing on the site as of now.

Regardless of quality, they're still a huge part of the site's history, and that should not be ignored. Imo, it went a long way in defining the site's identity.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby UltramanGoji » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:08 am

Yeah...no.

Were the toons memorable? To some people, yeah. But defining the site's identity? Absolutely not.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:58 pm

They were fun, at the time, but they're not really worth preserving or saving. I'm sure Miles has them backed up, hopefully, and he's probably free to post them to Youtube.

To be honest, I don't think it's what many users here want the site to be remembered for.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby mikelcho » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:23 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:They were fun, at the time, but they're not really worth preserving or saving. I'm sure Miles has them backed up, hopefully, and he's probably free to post them to Youtube.

To be honest, I don't think it's what many users here want the site to be remembered for.
You know, I think that you'd better make d*** sure that Miles has them backed up before you delete them and then find out that he didn't!

How does that old saying go? "It's easier to ask for permission than to ask for forgiveness."

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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:29 pm

mikelcho wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:They were fun, at the time, but they're not really worth preserving or saving. I'm sure Miles has them backed up, hopefully, and he's probably free to post them to Youtube.

To be honest, I don't think it's what many users here want the site to be remembered for.
You know, I think that you'd better make d*** sure that Miles has them backed up before you delete them and then find out that he didn't!

How does that old saying go? "It's easier to ask for permission than to ask for forgiveness."

^this
think of it this way. it's a lot like film preservation: just because you may not like or think something doesn't deserve to be archived and put somewhere safe, it doesn't mean that it isn't still important to do so. at the very least, someone should at least attempt to convert them to Html5 or ask if Miles will upload them to youtube before hand.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:30 pm

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LSD Jellyfish wrote:They were fun, at the time, but they're not really worth preserving or saving. I'm sure Miles has them backed up, hopefully, and he's probably free to post them to Youtube.

To be honest, I don't think it's what many users here want the site to be remembered for.
You know, I think that you'd better make d*** sure that Miles has them backed up before you delete them and then find out that he didn't!

How does that old saying go? "It's easier to ask for permission than to ask for forgiveness."

Dude it's been years and years, and while I don't know the exact details, there were certainly some drama regarding his exit. It's unreasonable to assume that TK is obligated to save backups of something like that.

Also what's with the 2020 date?
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:33 pm

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mikelcho wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:They were fun, at the time, but they're not really worth preserving or saving. I'm sure Miles has them backed up, hopefully, and he's probably free to post them to Youtube.

To be honest, I don't think it's what many users here want the site to be remembered for.
You know, I think that you'd better make d*** sure that Miles has them backed up before you delete them and then find out that he didn't!

How does that old saying go? "It's easier to ask for permission than to ask for forgiveness."

Dude it's been years and years, and while I don't know the exact details, there were certainly some drama regarding his exit. It's unreasonable to assume that TK is obligated to save backups of something like that.

Also what's with the 2020 date?

After 2020, Flash will no longer be unusable, period. that means that browsers will completely remove it entirely, and basically all flash content will die.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:42 pm

I mean, isn't there a way to just save flash files directly if you have the right software? Why not do it yourself?
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Rodan95 wrote:The Shobijin are sat on by a fatass explorer and killed. Mothra is pissed and destroys Japan.

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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:48 pm

LSD Jellyfish wrote:I mean, isn't there a way to just save flash files directly if you have the right software? Why not do it yourself?

I'd gladly do that if someone could point me in the right direction for said software, provided it doesn't involve any programming (I suck at that). I also want to mention that there's currently a flash emulator being worked on
https://ruffle.rs/
However, it isn't far enough along to confidently say that they will finish it before the cut off date, so it always helps to plan ahead for that sort of thing.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby mikelcho » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:49 pm

Ultimategodzilla2054 wrote:
mikelcho wrote:
LSD Jellyfish wrote:They were fun, at the time, but they're not really worth preserving or saving. I'm sure Miles has them backed up, hopefully, and he's probably free to post them to Youtube.

To be honest, I don't think it's what many users here want the site to be remembered for.
You know, I think that you'd better make d*** sure that Miles has them backed up before you delete them and then find out that he didn't!

How does that old saying go? "It's easier to ask for permission than to ask for forgiveness."

^this
think of it this way. it's a lot like film preservation: just because you may not like or think something doesn't deserve to be archived and put somewhere safe, it doesn't mean that it isn't still important to do so. at the very least, someone should at least attempt to convert them to Html5 or ask if Miles will upload them to youtube before hand.
You got it! I was hoping that you'd get it. I was hoping that someone here would get it, but I had no idea that it'd be done this quickly.

Actually, I watched some of those cartoons a while back and I thought that they were kind of cute.

Anyway, please, whoever's in charge here, not only does this need to be done, it needs to be done yesterday, not next Easter!

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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Terasawa » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:58 pm

Why can't someone who actually cares about these things screen-record them and share them on YouTube (perhaps with Miles' permission)?
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:14 pm

mikelcho wrote:You got it! I was hoping that you'd get it. I was hoping that someone here would get it, but I had no idea that it'd be done this quickly.

Actually, I watched some of those cartoons a while back and I thought that they were kind of cute.

Anyway, please, whoever's in charge here, not only does this need to be done, it needs to be done yesterday, not next Easter!

Well, The whole reason I made this thread is because of the push I've been seeing across the entire internet on sites like newgrounds to save and preserve flash content, so I felt inspired to get the ball rolling around here.
also, just to be clear, my aim with this thread is not to force or demand the TK staff to do anything, but rather just suggest it as something they should be seriously considering.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Chris55 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:13 pm

Ultimategodzilla2054 wrote:
mikelcho wrote:You got it! I was hoping that you'd get it. I was hoping that someone here would get it, but I had no idea that it'd be done this quickly.

Actually, I watched some of those cartoons a while back and I thought that they were kind of cute.

Anyway, please, whoever's in charge here, not only does this need to be done, it needs to be done yesterday, not next Easter!

Well, The whole reason I made this thread is because of the push I've been seeing across the entire internet on sites like newgrounds to save and preserve flash content, so I felt inspired to get the ball rolling around here.
also, just to be clear, my aim with this thread is not to force or demand the TK staff to do anything, but rather just suggest it as something they should be seriously considering.


Miles backed them up here on his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... XkZzV3CMJx

As far as Arbok's plan for the site and preserving them, no idea.
Your misconceptions and fantasies along with your misguided sense of entitlement don't dictate my actions.

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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby Ultimategodzilla2054 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:25 pm

Chris55 wrote:
Ultimategodzilla2054 wrote:
mikelcho wrote:You got it! I was hoping that you'd get it. I was hoping that someone here would get it, but I had no idea that it'd be done this quickly.

Actually, I watched some of those cartoons a while back and I thought that they were kind of cute.

Anyway, please, whoever's in charge here, not only does this need to be done, it needs to be done yesterday, not next Easter!

Well, The whole reason I made this thread is because of the push I've been seeing across the entire internet on sites like newgrounds to save and preserve flash content, so I felt inspired to get the ball rolling around here.
also, just to be clear, my aim with this thread is not to force or demand the TK staff to do anything, but rather just suggest it as something they should be seriously considering.


Miles backed them up here on his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... XkZzV3CMJx

As far as Arbok's plan for the site and preserving them, no idea.

Ah sweet, thanks for the info.
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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby LSD Jellyfish » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:08 pm

What happens when Youtube goes down? :dizzy:
_JNavs_ wrote:The MV is like cheap imitation crabmeat, it tastes good, but it isn't real, while Shin is kino peak Japanese performance.

Rodan95 wrote:The Shobijin are sat on by a fatass explorer and killed. Mothra is pissed and destroys Japan.

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Re: What's going to happen to TK toon after 2020?

Postby mikelcho » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:02 am

Chris55 wrote:
Ultimategodzilla2054 wrote:
mikelcho wrote:You got it! I was hoping that you'd get it. I was hoping that someone here would get it, but I had no idea that it'd be done this quickly.

Actually, I watched some of those cartoons a while back and I thought that they were kind of cute.

Anyway, please, whoever's in charge here, not only does this need to be done, it needs to be done yesterday, not next Easter!

Well, The whole reason I made this thread is because of the push I've been seeing across the entire internet on sites like newgrounds to save and preserve flash content, so I felt inspired to get the ball rolling around here.
also, just to be clear, my aim with this thread is not to force or demand the TK staff to do anything, but rather just suggest it as something they should be seriously considering.


Miles backed them up here on his YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... XkZzV3CMJx

As far as Arbok's plan for the site and preserving them, no idea.
Thanks, I'm so glad that happened!

And I assure you, I was not even trying to force anyone to do anything; I was merely trying to emphasize the seriousness of the situation here. However, if I sounded like I was coming on too strong, I'm sorry.


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