Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

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Who is the stronger Ghidorah?

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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:18 pm

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You keep bickering without real proof, while the guy above my previous post did some research, and thus I accepted his argument


You're the one arguing without any real proof. I asked you to give me an example of how Showa Ghiddy was smarter, you did no such thing. All you have to back up your argument is a theory. Ghidorah may be thousands of years old, that doesn't stop it from being unintelligent. The only point you proved was that Showa Ghiddy's (EDIT: necks) are stronger then Heisei Ghiddy's.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby L Lawliet » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:20 pm

PopInPicsPresents wrote:
L Lawliet wrote:
Berzerkgodzilla wrote:"Jackasses" is a little uncalled for, how were we Jackasses?

You keep bickering without real proof, while the guy above my previous post did some research, and thus I accepted his argument


You're the one arguing without any real proof. I asked you to give me an example of how Showa Ghiddy was smarter, you did no such thing. All you have to back up your argument is a theory. Ghidorah may be thousands of years old, that doesn't stop it from being unintelligent. The only point you proved was that Showa Ghiddy's are stronger then Heisei Ghiddy's.

Still, the point is that I actually had some proof, while you had jack, end of arguement
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:21 pm

Showa King Ghidorah is smart he knows to run from a losing battle. Heisei Ghidorah also just seemed more desperate to me against Godzilla once the mind control was over.

Buy the way all this talk of Heisei Ghidorah with being mind controlled he had Godzilla more on the ropes on his own then with being mind controlled.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:27 pm

WHERE THE skreeonk IS YOUR PROOF?

All you have is a silly "he's really old so he's really smart" theory which quickly got disproven. The only proof you've brought into the matter was for an entirly different point.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby L Lawliet » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:29 pm

PopInPicsPresents wrote:WHERE THE skreeonk IS YOUR PROOF?

All you have is a silly "he's really old so he's really smart" theory which quickly got disproven. The only proof you've brought into the matter was for an entirly different point.

What point of end of argument do you not understand?, I accepted that I was wrong on the Rodan and King Ghidorah Smarts Theory, end of arguement, and this is the last time

Oh and read the above post please, have a nice day :huge:

Now I am gonna go eat some cyanide pills, I am hungry :dizzy:
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby yaburu » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:10 pm

You're also going to eat a warning for calling users Jackasses.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby GodzillaXGomoraFight » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:04 pm

I am siding with Heisei Ghidorah. I would agree with the fact that Showa KG has more durability, but he lacks any skill in fighting up close. In the Heisei movie, KG was wrecking Godzilla until his mind control was destroyed. Both KG's have mind control, so I assume that Heisei KG will be fighting well once again. The only that might save Showa KG is his gravity bolts depending on their strength.

Heisei KG: 8/10
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:08 pm

GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:I am siding with Heisei Ghidorah. I would agree with the fact that Showa KG has more durability, but he lacks any skill in fighting up close. In the Heisei movie, KG was wrecking Godzilla until his mind control was destroyed. Both KG's have mind control, so I assume that Heisei KG will be fighting well once again. The only that might save Showa KG is his gravity bolts depending on their strength.

Heisei KG: 8/10
Showa KG: 2/10


Heisei Ghidorah is without a doubt more durable, his Gravity Bolts are also most likely more powerful.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby GodzillaXGomoraFight » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:12 pm

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GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:I am siding with Heisei Ghidorah. I would agree with the fact that Showa KG has more durability, but he lacks any skill in fighting up close. In the Heisei movie, KG was wrecking Godzilla until his mind control was destroyed. Both KG's have mind control, so I assume that Heisei KG will be fighting well once again. The only that might save Showa KG is his gravity bolts depending on their strength.

Heisei KG: 8/10
Showa KG: 2/10


Heisei Ghidorah is without a doubt more durable, his Gravity Bolts are also most likely more powerful.

Can't be too durable if he got his wings and heads blasted off with a few atomic ray blasts. At least Showa KG was able to take on an army of monsters of DAM and end up without holes in his wings and chopped heads. I can assume that the whole "Heisei Godzilla has a stronger beam" argument will be brought up.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:26 pm

GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:
PopInPicsPresents wrote:
GodzillaXGomoraFight wrote:I am siding with Heisei Ghidorah. I would agree with the fact that Showa KG has more durability, but he lacks any skill in fighting up close. In the Heisei movie, KG was wrecking Godzilla until his mind control was destroyed. Both KG's have mind control, so I assume that Heisei KG will be fighting well once again. The only that might save Showa KG is his gravity bolts depending on their strength.

Heisei KG: 8/10
Showa KG: 2/10


Heisei Ghidorah is without a doubt more durable, his Gravity Bolts are also most likely more powerful.

Can't be too durable if he got his wings and heads blasted off with a few atomic ray blasts. At least Showa KG was able to take on an army of monsters of DAM and end up without holes in his wings and chopped heads. I can assume that the whole "Heisei Godzilla has a stronger beam" argument will be brought up.


You assume currently :?

Showa Ghidorah could have been destroyed by Godzilla on his own. The only reason it was killed by the DAM kaiju was because it didn't run away like it normal did. Seriously, you people give Showa Ghidorah WAY too much credit. And yes, Heisei Godzilla's Atomic Ray is much more powerful then Showa Godzilla's. The reason why Ghidorah didn't have holes in his wings in DAM was because it never bothered ti block any attacks with them, not that it matters since the only kaiju with a beam was Godzilla, and he hardly used it. An Atomic Pulse would surely kill off Showa Ghidorah, or at least critically injure it. If Heisei Godzilla fought Showa Ghidorah, he would have had a much easier time then he did with Heisei Ghidorah. Why? Because Showa Ghidorah liked to keep a distance, unlike Heisei Ghidorah giving Godzilla ample time to blast it full of holes.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby Kiryu2012 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:36 pm

Seriously, you people give Showa Ghidorah WAY too much credit.

This pretty much. Showa KG is nothing special whatsoever.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby GodzillaDude » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:41 pm

Although I do much prefer Showa King Ghidorah over Heisei King Ghidorah in terms of look and character Heisei still fought a much more powerful Godzilla so Heisei wins.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:09 pm

Seriously, you people give Showa Ghidorah WAY too much credit.



I personally think its the other way around. But whatever. Get back to me when Heisei Ghidorah destroys at least one planet, fights against at least three monsters at the same time, and destroy a city in less than a minute. Then I might consider him being as powerful as the Showa version.

EDIT: Actually, while I'm at it. I'm just going to voice something that has been floating around in my head for a long time. I know the most of you will not agree with me, but I just want to give you guys something to think about.

Is Heisie Godzilla, really that more powerful than Showa?

Now stay with me on this. Sure, his beam must be more powerful. It does tend to make bigger explosions, but that doesn't necessarily mean there is a gigantic gap in power difference. Think about Grand Ghidorah's beams against Rainbow Mothra. He was injured pretty easily. He travels back in time to fight Cretaceous Ghidorah, who's weapons have bigger explosions, and what happens? Well, she's hurt, but not as much as when she was struck by gravity bolts that caused smaller explosions. Now, I'm not saying that Showa Godzilla has a stronger ray, but is there really such a big difference in power? Or are we chalking a lot of stuff up to better special effects?

A big reason to why many see Heisei Godzilla to be more powerful is his durability. He went swimming under the mantle for crying out loud! But remember folks, Showa Godzilla has some pretty cool durability feats too. He took a cutter beam able to chop through a mountain, revolving missiles able to uproot entire city blocks, acid that makes Biollante's look safe in comparison, spider venom in the eye, (remember what a funnel web or black widow can do to a human.), toxic gas capable of melting steel, etc. Showa Godzilla's hide was breached in five films out of fifteen. Heisei's was breached in four out of seven. Showa seems to have a slightly better track record in the durability department. But heisei does have superior regeneration.

However, Showa Godzilla is faster, smarter, and has better T&C capabilities to Heisei. And they share roughly the same amount of strength. heist, of course, has a nuclear pulse, but how often does can he use that thing? Perhaps Heisei is stronger, or perhaps they really aren't that different in power after all. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses. It's always possible that Heisei Godzilla may be a little bit overrated, due to the powerful nature of the enemies he tends to fight and better special effects.

Just a thought.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby GojiFan » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:14 pm

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Seriously, you people give Showa Ghidorah WAY too much credit.



I personally think its the other way around. But whatever. Get back to me when Heisei Ghidorah destroys at least one planet, fights against at least three monsters at the same time, and destroy a city in less than a minute. Then I might consider him being as powerful as the Showa version.

Get back to me when Showa Ghidorah shows any semblance of intelligence during a fight, uses flight for more than escaping, and has any sort of melee skill.

The problem with your argument is everyone knows they won;t happen. Those same things do not make Ghidorah powerful either. Titanosaurus' tail was capable of doing tons of damage to cities, but no one claims that it is some super powerful weapon. Destroying a city is not impressive. Neither is destroying a planet's surface (given there is no time frame).
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:17 pm

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Kaiju-King42 wrote:
Seriously, you people give Showa Ghidorah WAY too much credit.



I personally think its the other way around. But whatever. Get back to me when Heisei Ghidorah destroys at least one planet, fights against at least three monsters at the same time, and destroy a city in less than a minute. Then I might consider him being as powerful as the Showa version.


Get back to me when Showa Ghidorah shows any semblance of intelligence during a fight, uses flight for more than escaping, and has any sort of melee skill.



He runs away when he's losing that shows me he has plenty of brains. The one time he is unable to escape he gets killed. You know now that I think about it Showa Ghidorah was probably destroying planets because there was no monsters to fight him before I mean if Godzilla and Rodan were left unchecked they could be planet destroyers.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:43 am

I personally think its the other way around. But whatever. Get back to me when Heisei Ghidorah destroys at least one planet, fights against at least three monsters at the same time, and destroy a city in less than a minute. Then I might consider him being as powerful as the Showa version.


Get back to me when he does it ON SCREEN. Or for that matter in what amount of time like GojiFan said. The original Godzilla if not killed by the Oxygen Destroyer, he would have decimated every city, village and town on Earth.

Is Heisie Godzilla, really that more powerful than Showa?

Yes.


Now stay with me on this. Sure, his beam must be more powerful. It does tend to make bigger explosions, but that doesn't necessarily mean there is a gigantic gap in power difference. Think about Grand Ghidorah's beams against Rainbow Mothra. He was injured pretty easily. He travels back in time to fight Cretaceous Ghidorah, who's weapons have bigger explosions, and what happens? Well, she's hurt, but not as much as when she was struck by gravity bolts that caused smaller explosions. Now, I'm not saying that Showa Godzilla has a stronger ray, but is there really such a big difference in power? Or are we chalking a lot of stuff up to better special effects?


Showa Godzilla's beam set buildings among a few other things on fire. Heisei Godzilla's beam actually blew stuff up and blew through buildings.

A big reason to why many see Heisei Godzilla to be more powerful is his durability. He went swimming under the mantle for crying out loud! But remember folks, Showa Godzilla has some pretty cool durability feats too. He took a cutter beam able to chop through a mountain, revolving missiles able to uproot entire city blocks, acid that makes Biollante's look safe in comparison, spider venom in the eye, (remember what a funnel web or black widow can do to a human.), toxic gas capable of melting steel, etc. Showa Godzilla's hide was breached in five films out of fifteen. Heisei's was breached in four out of seven. Showa seems to have a slightly better track record in the durability department. But heisei does have superior regeneration.


The cutter beam Godzilla took sliced a very thin rock formation in two. There's a big difference between a rock formation and a mountain. His most outstanding feat is getting the revolving missiles shot down his throat. Hedorah's acid may be more powerful then Biollante's but Godzilla wasn't exposed to that much of it. Biollante shot much more acid at Godzilla, even secreted acid inside him. Heisei Godzilla survived a bacteria SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR KILLING HIM. Heisei Godzilla's skin was breached because he went up against stuff made specifically for breaching his skin. On top of all that, Heisei has better regeneration. It seems to me, Heisei's the one with the better track record.

I believe the two are both physically on par, but Heisei Godzilla's abilities exceed all of Showa Godzilla's other abilities except for maybe intelligence.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:50 am

I don't understand how Showa and Heisei Godzilla are on par physically. Heisei Goji's physical combat is rather pathetic while Showa Goji 's a friggin' kung fu master. And the Showa Atomic Ray definitely made things explode. Two example stand out: in DAM when Goji surfaces and blasts New York, and when Goji blows up MG 2 in TOM.

I can understand trying to drive the point home, but let's stick to the facts. The only things Heisei Goji has on his Showa counterpart is the Nuclear Pulse and insane Regen. And the Spiral rays, but he can't exactly call those at will. His regular beam is average.

That being said I think that Heisei Ghidorah wins.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby GojiFan » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:12 am

Skill-wise Showa is a far better fighter, but physical strength is in Heisei's favor.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:27 am

Would Heisei Godzilla defeat Showa in a physical brawl? Almost certainly. As I've said before, speed and skill aren't always an automatic ticket to victory. Heisei Goji's strength and INSANE durability will keep him on top.

TBH though GF, I don't believe that Showa Goji is inferior in terms of physical strength.
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Re: Showa King Ghidorah vs Heisei King Ghidorah

Postby yaburu » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:36 am

Before I ask you guys to keep this between Ghidorahs, I do want to just throw out that Showa Godzilla did have one very impressive feat as it pertains to his healing factor that sticks out in my mind. When Mechagodzilla opened up his jugular vein. He did this twice, and twice it closed within seconds.
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