There is literally zero ranged weapons in Betterman close to the power that several of the members of Stuckey's team have. Implying that Forte could tank a beam from Zeruel or Bio-Volcano is just foolish. A beam from one of those two would at the least severely injure him, if not kill him.Inferno Rodan wrote:I never said he would be actively trying to avoid anything. But the fact that he can be so mobile AND has heavy armor on top of that means there's little any of Stuckey's team can do to stop him from getting close.
The anime does a typical freeze frame when the punch lands, and then afterward ZX-Tole flies backward. Unless you are trying to tell me ZX-Tole and the Gigantic just stood there holding their pose for 2 or so seconds before deciding to fight again.No, it really wasn't. Most of the distance between them was from ZX-Tole "staggering" back after the punch connected, not from the force of the blow itself.
Except that isn't how it goes down. ZX-Tole screams in pain when he gets punched, and then is seen holding his mid-section and struggling with his speech.Also, it wasn't really an act of desperation on ZX-Tole's part. He knew he was gonna die soon anyway thanks to his rushed optimization, so he wanted, and I quote, to "go out with a bang." Was pretty much intended as a big middle finger to Guyver, Aptom, and Chronos.
It wasn't like he just went "oh darn, that was a good punch. Well, time to fly to space." One punch from the Gigantic hurt him so badly that ZX-Tole knew instantly he could not win.
He hardly did anything because the fight only lasted all of 5 seconds , IR. I can't believe how you can't seem to grasp that concept. According to Stuckey, it sounds like Sho is in control of the Gigantic. We know how Sho fights, and he is not an inactive fighter....K? The fact of the matter is Guyver Gigantic hardly does anything in battle. That he "didn't need to exert any real combat skills" is irrelevant. We can only really go by what he was was shown doing on-screen. And he hardly did anything.
Whoa whoa whoa. Back up. You're one of the loudest proponents of Lucy being unable to block energy weapons. That means you think energy passes through them with no effect. Thus, you should think that they would pass through energy with no effect. You can't have it both ways.
And quite frankly, if they can phase through solid matter, there's no reason to believe they couldn't do the same with energy.
Do you know why I said she can't block them IR? Because energy weapons generally are constant streams instead of a small, solid projectile. Because energy weapons "flow" around physical barriers. Because a lot of energy weapons either explode when they hit something, or have pretty insane amounts of kinetic energy behind them as well. She can put her vectors up and they will hit them first, but they will kill her regardless because of the nature of them being energy and how frail she is.
And no it doesn't. Energy may be just another "form" of matter, but it behaves extremely differently than solid matter does.
Regular humans were dodging the vectors at times. And it is made quite clear through out the series that Dicloni don't really have any sort of issues with seeing each others vectors, as Mariko easily "caught" Lucy's vectors.And as YOU so conveniently ignored last time, while the vectors may be slower than a beam once it's been fired, I think it goes without saying that dodging an INVISIBLE and STILL FAST attack proves she's MORE than capable of getting out of the way of something that has an obvious and lengthy charge time.
And I said this before IR. Lucy doesn't know what is going on when something charges a beam. The viewer of those monsters/zoids/whatever do, and the people within those universes do as well, but Lucy doesn't. She has zero experience with such weapons, and zero idea what to do when fired at her. She more than likely will try blocking them like she does with bullets, which as I explained before would be the death of her.
Can he? Yes. Will he? More than likely no.PGV2 wrote:Well, there's still Forte, who can defeat the majority of your team thanks to Psycho Glory.
Which might be a problem if it didn't take two Eva's just to get through his AT Field, and if his body wasn't durable enough to take a point blank N2 mine without the smallest bit of damage.PGV2 wrote:As for Zeruel, while it takes a long time for Ramiel to charge his mountain buster, its not like Zeruel's particularly responsive, or hell, makes an attempt to dodge anything. He just tries to flatten/block stuff with his AT field half the time. So when/if the mountain buster comes he won't be able, or rather just plain won't make any attempt to stop it except to concentrate his AT field.
First, the Gigantic doesn't "charge" anything. The closest thing he did to charging someone was when he flew up in the air to see ZX-Tole face-to-face. He more than likely will end up sheilding his teammates from anything shot at them to start the match. EX Gomora and AD are also more than capable of closing the distance to the BF if he decides to charge the CPC. But that is assuming he does, since he never used his CPC to start a fight except against the Genosaurers.In any case, thanks to their fighting style, EX Gomora, Armored Darkness and Guyver Gigantic (and probably Liger Zero) are going to get in close. This won't end well for the former two, who will be mowed down by Ramiel, Empera and Berserk Fury. In contrast on the other side, only Bio-Volcano (Zeruel if you count his AT field play) likes to use ranged combat, alowing, say, Forte to move in. Zeruel isn't even a particularly offensive fighter. He just stood there and extended his AT field for the majority of the fight.
Please tell me you are joking with the bold. The Gigantic landed a single punch on ZX-Tole that made him scream in pain and clutch his midsection. ZX-Tole is utterly screwed if he fights the Gigantic first, which he more than likely will due to his natural hate for the guyvers. And no, he doesn't need to fire it from space and he won't die if he doesn't. He is more than capable of firing it from an even level as the other fighters and wipe out everything that gets caught in it.Guyver Gigantic may be the technical strongest fighter in this match, but his fists aren't going to cut it with Empera, Ramiel or even Neo-ZX-tole. May batter them but defitniely can't kill them, especially Empera. Unless everyone from IR's side takes to space, the Giga Smasher has a high chance of killing everyone else including himself when he fires it, hence making it more or less a non-factor. Zeruel could murder en masse if he spammed his eye beams- unfortunately, he's one of the least active fighters here. His arm blades are deadly but rarely used and I think Empera and ZX-tole could tank 'em, considering the former has blocked blades just as impressive with his bare hand.
Zeruel's arm blades more than likely can damage anything on the other team. Keep in mind, they easily chopped through Eva-02. The Evas, even without AT Fields, are pretty damn hard to damage.
They were sluggish because the BF couldn't keep up with the Liger. Yes Vega was tired, but Bit was just as tired himself as Stuckey said.IR wrote:BF's movements were downright sluggish by the time he started fighting LZ. He literally couldn't even keep up with LZ, and the shots from his beam cannon outright missed LZ even though Vega displayed freakishly precise aim prior to that. There's no way you can say BF wasn't severely hindered in that fight.
Except Vega had prior experience dealing with Bit and knew how to adjust his strategy to deal with him, where as Bit did not. Even in the first fight, you can see that Bit had already begun to adapt the Liger to Vega and the BF, even though Vega had the advantage of knowing the pilot of the Liger and how he fought. This does not include any possible information the Back Draft gave Vega on Bit and the Liger Zero before they ever even met, which would further put the advantage in Vega's favor.It took LZ two prior ass-whoopings for its Organoid System to effectively counter BF. BF's Organoid System adapted to being overwhelmed and began countering what was countering him within just a few minutes. His System is far superior.