Godzilla vs Red King

[Kiryu2012]

GMK Godzilla
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vs

Grande's Red King
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Arena: Where Gomora fought the first Red King

Rules: Scaled
Red King can't go EX
KO to win.

Verdict: I could imagine Godzilla winning this. Red King could take out King Joe Black just by drop-kicking him, though, and his strength is no joke. Godzilla though may possibly have the durability to handle Red King's blows, at least for awhile. If Godzilla manages to hit Red King with his Atomic Ray, he may win, but Red King could still probably take the beams at first.

5/10 for them both.

[RedZillaKing]

Grande's Red King is strong... Probably the strongest of its kind. But the same goes for Godzilla. Red would definitely give him a really hard time but GMK Godzilla is too strong and too durable. And the Atomic ray is just too freakin powerful.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Fire Punch is going to annoy Godzilla at best where as his Atomic Ray is Super-Effective

This could go either way, up close I could see Red King dominating, from far away Godzilla has the best shot at victory. I don't think Red King will be taking Atomic Rays that well.

[THE GODZILLA]

Red King would utterly manhandle Godzilla in melee. There's no denying who would win in physical combat. While Godzilla has the advantage at range, he takes far too long to use his beam. Red King will be all over him if he tries to charge it up at all.

I see Red King winning this due to far superior speed and physical combat skills.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Godzilla isn't a beam spammer. That will spellhis downfallhere. Imean,how often did he actually use his beam. And if the ray doe come into play at long range, considering the charge time I would not be surprised if RK managed to dodge it.

[Godzilla 2000]

Gotta side with THE GODZILLA here. Grande's Redking is almost unmatched in the Ultra Galaxy universe when it comes to purely physical combat. He even gets a nasty fire punch attack.

GMK Goji is just too slow to fight back with any sort of efficiency.

[RedZillaKing]

I see Red King winning this due to far superior speed and physical combat skills.

Speed and physical combat skills are too often confused for a one way ticket to victory. GMK Goji can hand out a beating and he can sure as hell can take one too. And let's not kid ourselves... he'll be landing plenty of hits in close combat. Red King isn't so superior in speed that he won't be eating some Herculean blows. Durability is every bit as much of a factor as speed here and GMK hits every bit as hard as Red.

And if GMK Godzilla can hit aircraft flying far over his head (with a beam that's as continuous as he wants it to be) he can hit Red King. Red is going to give him hell but Zombiezilla is a force of nature. It will be close but insane durability and sheer destructive power win the day. Red has nothing that will be as deadly to Goji as Goji's ray will be to him. I'd go as far as to say that a single blast of his ludicrous atomic will be a major blow against GRK.

[Godzilla 2000]

Speed and physical combat skills are too often confused for a one way ticket to victory.

Well it certainly puts them at a huge advantage. =/

GMK Goji can hand out a beating and he can sure as hell can take one too. And let's not kid ourselves... he'll be landing plenty of hits in close combat.

Like...how, exactly?

GMK Goji fought some pretty insignificant battles. It wasnt until Ghiddy got revived did he actually have a challenge on his hands. And even then, we still dont see him really do much. He beats them up, certainly, but it's nothing impressive.

He stomps on Baragon.
He tail whips Mothra.
He tosses Ghidorah.
And spams that beam a few times. Big deal.

And this is all ignoring how slow he is.

Red King isn't so superior in speed that he won't be eating some Herculean blows. Durability is every bit as much of a factor as speed here and GMK hits every bit as hard as Red.

Jeez, I know people tend to overrated GMK Goji, but 'cmon...

And if GMK Godzilla can hit aircraft flying far over his head (with a beam that's as continuous as he wants it to be) he can hit Red King.

Except that it takes him centuries to charge up a strong blast, which will just get him punched in the face.

Red is going to give him hell but Zombiezilla is a force of nature. It will be close but insane durability and sheer destructive power win the day. Red has nothing that will be as deadly to Goji as Goji's ray will be to him. I'd go as far as to say that a single blast of his ludicrous atomic will be a major blow against GRK.

Oh boy looks like I gotta go rip some clips from Ultra Galaxy again...

[Darkness]

Can't really say since I haven't seen very much of Ultra Galaxy Red king, but RKZ makes some good points. And I also don't understand why GMK Goji is underrated as much as he is. The beam can take a while to charge, but the movie has also shown that he's been able to fire off some pretty powerful blasts fairly quickly when needed. It also needs to be taken into account how clever GMK Godzilla is when he fights. He's a quick learner and figures out his opponents rather quickly and changes his strategy to take them down.

[RedZillaKing]

He is a tricky one for sure. And yeah.. GMK Godzilla is really underrated around here. Also it's clear that people don't really know how a close quarter fight would work. Sure Red would be quick up close. However he's not a ninja like people seem to think. He's a brawler. He'll be up in Goji's face laying into him. And that's where durability factors in. Red can punch and kick all day and it'snot gonna matter once Goji gets ahold of him. Then he'll be thrown around just as easily as any other monster GMK fought.

[THE GODZILLA]

Speed and physical combat skills are too often confused for a one way ticket to victory.

This comment is so stupid that I don't even know what to say.

GMK Goji can hand out a beating and he can sure as hell can take one too. And let's not kid ourselves... he'll be landing plenty of hits in close combat. Red King isn't so superior in speed that he won't be eating some Herculean blows. Durability is every bit as much of a factor as speed here and GMK hits every bit as hard as Red.

He didn't do anything impressive in melee combat. He pushed around foes smaller than him. Red King smacked the crap out of a monster that weighs more than twice the amount he does. I'll give Godzilla credit for good durability, but it won't help him enough to make a difference. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Godzilla has "herculean" strength. Red King has strength like that; he punched Gomola so hard in the stomach that it winded him; that's very impressive.

And if GMK Godzilla can hit aircraft flying far over his head (with a beam that's as continuous as he wants it to be) he can hit Red King.

Red King will be beating the shit out of him by the time he tries to fire off that beam, so...

Red is going to give him hell but Zombiezilla is a force of nature. It will be close but insane durability and sheer destructive power win the day. Red has nothing that will be as deadly to Goji as Goji's ray will be to him. I'd go as far as to say that a single blast of his ludicrous atomic will be a major blow against GRK.

GMK Godzilla is really underrated around here.

Underrated? I think you're just overrating GMK Godzilla. Also, the fact that you think his atomic blast is gonna be a major blow is hilarious. Red King took a beam far more damaging than Godzilla's and was fine.

Also it's clear that people don't really know how a close quarter fight would work. Sure Red would be quick up close. However he's not a ninja like people seem to think. He's a brawler. He'll be up in Goji's face laying into him.

There isn't any questioning of what style of fighting Red King does. It's the fact that he's a brawler AND ridiculously fast is why he's going to be wrecking Godzilla in melee.

And that's where durability factors in. Red can punch and kick all day and it'snot gonna matter once Goji gets ahold of him. Then he'll be thrown around just as easily as any other monster GMK fought.

Durability does not equal stamina. Also, where are you getting the idea that Godzilla is gonna throw around Red King easily?

[RedZillaKing]

This comment is so stupid that I don't even know what to say.

Or maybe you just don't understand. It's okay... I'll explain. I've seen a lot of fights. I've also been in a lot of fights. The faster, better fighter doesn't always win. A lot of other factors decide the outcome of a battle. One incredibly important factor is durability. Another is strength. And being smarter than your opponent.

He didn't do anything impressive in melee combat. He pushed around foes smaller than him. Red King smacked the crap out of a monster that weighs more than twice the amount he does. I'll give Godzilla credit for good durability, but it won't help him enough to make a difference. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Godzilla has "herculean" strength. Red King has strength like that; he punched Gomola so hard in the stomach that it winded him; that's very impressive.

Actually, King Ghidorah was about the same size. And that KJB was hardly impressive. It was a mass produced model that was obviously not as powerful as the one that fought Zetton. You know, the one that was damaged by Ex Gomora and still gave Ultraman a great deal of trouble? As far as knocking the wind out of Gomora goes... So what? Gomora was strong in UG, but not invincible. Thete were plenty of other monsters whose attacks had a similar effect on Gomora. Herculean strength is the strength to simply walk through rock formations. GMK was unstoppable in his film. The fact that he fought allegedly weaker monsters doesn't change that.

Red King will be beating the shit out of him by the time he tries to fire off that beam, so...

Are you claiming that Godzilla can't fire off a beam whenever he wants? Red King would likely catch a beam in his face while "beating the shit out of him". That's if GMK even wanted to. He tends to fire his beam very rarely. Because he rarely needs it.

Underrated? I think you're just overrating GMK Godzilla.
Also, the fact that you think his atomic blast is gonna be a major blow is hilarious. Red King took a beam far more damaging than Godzilla's and was fine.

Far more damaging? Yeah.... No. Go watch GMK again. There are few beams more damaging that that one. The Oscillatory ray isn't one of them.

Durability does not equal stamina. Also, where are you getting the idea that Godzilla is gonna throw around Red King easily?

Is GODZILLA's stamina being called into question here? He was portrayed as an unstoppable engine of destruction. He never tired. Also I concede that he won't throw him around easily. However it's beyond foolish to assume he couldn't throw him when he got his hands on him. He shook a monster half Red's weight like a rag doll as if it weighed nothing. It's really not a stretch that he could do it to Red using all his strength.

[PopInPicsPresents]

So, why does everyone seem to think Godzilla will magically stop charging his Atomic Ray if Red King gets in close and starts beating on him? It would make sense for Godzilla to charge his Atomic Ray and let the less then intelligent Red King get in close only to unleash a full powered Atomic Ray point blank. This Godzilla could easily trick Red King into making a fatal flaw.

[RedZillaKing]

Agreed. Not that I don't think GRK will be a challenge. He's certainly no joke...

[Godzilla 2000]

Redking vs King Joe Black.

Redking vs Gomora.

So yeah, Redking wins.

Also, you guys are horribly overrating GMK Goji's ray. A charged ray blew up Baragon, but didnt blow up Mothra or Ghidorah. They just sorta got knocked out. But then it destroyed her when used at point blank. So it seems his ray is a bit inconsistent.

And this isnt like GMK, where his opponent is constantly running away/creating distance between them. Redking is going to bo in his face 100% of the time. And to those who would say "well leik, then he can use his beamzerz at point blank lololol" I say, shut up. He doesnt fight like that; it's a mid-long range attack. That's it.

[GodzillaXGomoraFight]

When I first looked at this match, I thought that Red King would win for sure. After putting some thought into account along with the facts presented by everyone else here, this match might be more balanced than I thought. Godzilla would win easy in long range with his insane atomic ray, but the real debate rests up close. Red King is a fantastic brawler, and he has speed and strength to boast. He surpasses Godzilla here, but it's not like Godzilla isn't defenseless in close combat at all. I'm sure that Godzilla has the ability to push Red King back or blast him in the face with an atomic ray. In the end, the results of this match vary.

Godzilla: 5/10

Red King: 5/10

[Kiryu2012]

Couldn't get to that site, but yeah I agree. Godzilla may be tough, but Red King is better in melee. In fact, now that I think about it, Tsuburaya kaiju seem to be better in melee than Toho kaiju overall.

[RedZillaKing]

It's true. Somewhere along the way Toho got too "cool" for fun melee battles.

[THE GODZILLA]

Or maybe you just don't understand. It's okay... I'll explain. I've seen a lot of fights. I've also been in a lot of fights. The faster, better fighter doesn't always win. A lot of other factors decide the outcome of a battle. One incredibly important factor is durability. Another is strength. And being smarter than your opponent.

I fail to see where you're going with this, but I'll play along. Godzilla has thicker skin than Red King, so he's a bit more durable. Red King is FAR stronger. Red King is smarter than Godzilla (see later comments). Of course, Red King outclasses Godzilla in speed and physical combat by a large amount. These are the main reasons he's going to beat Godzilla. So yes, they are pretty much providing him a one-way ticket to victory.

Actually, King Ghidorah was about the same size. And that KJB was hardly impressive. It was a mass produced model that was obviously not as powerful as the one that fought Zetton. You know, the one that was damaged by Ex Gomora and still gave Ultraman a great deal of trouble?

King Ghidorah was still smaller, and Godzilla had the weight advantage. And that KJB wasn't very impressive because Red King kicked the tar out of it before it could do ANYTHING. That entire episode revolved around a Mass Produced King Joe Black beating up on Gomola... Meanwhile, Red King massacres the one he fights. Hmm...

As far as knocking the wind out of Gomora goes... So what? Gomora was strong in UG, but not invincible. Thete were plenty of other monsters whose attacks had a similar effect on Gomora.

How often do you see a monster get winded? Also, how many of those attacks were a single punch to the stomach?

Herculean strength is the strength to simply walk through rock formations. GMK was unstoppable in his film. The fact that he fought allegedly weaker monsters doesn't change that.

You know what's funny? This isn't Godzilla's movie. This is a fantasy match. He's not unstoppable.

Are you claiming that Godzilla can't fire off a beam whenever he wants? Red King would likely catch a beam in his face while "beating the shit out of him". That's if GMK even wanted to. He tends to fire his beam very rarely. Because he rarely needs it.

Yeah, I forgot he blasted Ghidorah in the face while they were tangled in melee combat. Are you gonna hit the B button so he kicks Red King too?

Far more damaging? Yeah.... No. Go watch GMK again. There are few beams more damaging that that one. The Oscillatory ray isn't one of them.

Red King was never hit by the Oscillatory Ray... Also, I assume you think GMK Godzilla's beam is uber powerful because Toho likes to create ridiculous mushroom clouds, right?

Is GODZILLA's stamina being called into question here? He was portrayed as an unstoppable engine of destruction. He never tired. Also I concede that he won't throw him around easily. However it's beyond foolish to assume he couldn't throw him when he got his hands on him. He shook a monster half Red's weight like a rag doll as if it weighed nothing. It's really not a stretch that he could do it to Red using all his strength.

Again with the "unstoppable" stuff... You know, if he was so unstoppable, he'd be banned from fantasy matches, right? Also, I said he wouldn't throw Red King around easily. Using all of his strength to throw him around isn't easily done. Also, Red King threw around a monster TWICE his weight like a rag doll, so Godzilla being able to throw around a monster that is HALF his weight is not impressive at all.

So, why does everyone seem to think Godzilla will magically stop charging his Atomic Ray if Red King gets in close and starts beating on him? It would make sense for Godzilla to charge his Atomic Ray and let the less then intelligent Red King get in close only to unleash a full powered Atomic Ray point blank. This Godzilla could easily trick Red King into making a fatal flaw.

Red King's first move in his match with King Joe Black was to launch a boulder. KJB smacked the rock away, but Red King was immediately upon him. He's smart enough to create a distraction and fast enough to immediately capitalize. I'm also not sure where you're getting the idea that Godzilla is "smart" from. Because he didn't fall for Baragon's second jump? I'll take the monster who uses strategy over the one who blows himself up with his own beam.

[Darkness]

GMK Godzilla showed numerous signs of intellect and cunning in his bouts during the film. Baiting Baragon into his tail smack. Mothra sneaks up on him early on in their fight, later on she tries it again only to be bitch slapped out of the sky because he knew she would try it again. And the third time she tries it, he flat out annihilates her. It shows that Godzilla is not stupid and catches on going so far as to use trickery to bait his opponents into thinking they have an advantage. He also was intelligent enough to reposition himself so that Ghidorah would get hit by the D-03 warhead targeting his wound.

As for GMK Godzilla's ray, that tends to get underrated as well. There are moments where Godzilla takes his sweet time charging the ray, there are other moments when he fires off quick blasts depending on the situation. If Godzilla knows that the target will be easy to hit, he charges longer, for instance, when Baragon was climbing up the mountain with his back to Godzilla, when he wiped out 90% of the military units with one long shot, when he baits Mothra to sneak up behind him, when he takes out the parking lot full of people and so on. But he also fires quick shots, such as one when Mothra is trying to fly away from him, when he takes out the four jets in the sky, he blasted Ghidorah with a quick blast after tossing him away as well as when he blasted him underwater. And even the quick blast rays pack one hell of a punch that not almost no other Godzilla incarnations have.