Alien vs Dinosaur

[Kiryu2012]

Christ, a Godzilla xeno 0.e

http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&secti ... a#/d4ru1jf

Couldn't resist.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Very nice match up. Nigh indestructible aliens vs nigh indestructible mutants and one dinosaur that was able to survive being submerged in arctic waters as well as nuclear radiation. I dunno, Ash from the first alien movie more or less summed up what the Xenomorph was, a perfect organism. I wonder what kind of Xeno would be made from a nuclear resistant Godzillasaurus or Gorosaurus? Heat does seem to bug Xenomorphs though, and Godzilla 54 has plenty of that, so I don't see it getting face hugged like the other two. Still, the Xeno from Alien3 was able to survive in molten lead. The closest thing that comes to that was Heisei Godzilla surviving in magma and lava, but this is Godzilla 1954. What did it do that was comparable to taking a hot lead bath and still running? Oh wait! What if Godzilla 54's ray super heated the bugs and then they got wet? Wouldn't that make them explode like the one did in Alien3?

[PopInPicsPresents]

Wouldn't that make them explode like the one did in Alien3?

Maybe if the water in Tokyo Bay was at arctic temperatures.

[RedZillaKing]

A tail swipe from Goji would knock just about anything for a loop. Besides, as that dreadful puppet showed us Goji was capable of quick motions with his head/upper body. And God help xeno he lands on lol. Real world physics? Let me introduce you to kaiju physics. Remember when Ripley ran over that one warrior with the vehicle in Aliens? It'll be like that.

BTW, the xenos won't need arctic temp water to be killed by Goji's death ray. The ray will roast them alive.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Nah, it just took water in the foundry to make the Xenomorph squeal and explode, about as sure a kill as the Oxygen Destroyer was to Godzilla '54. A good point was brought up about a Predator being wounded by conventional human weapons, while Godzilla 54 showed no signs of damage from myriad types of munitions. And if DAM is any indication, the supposedly more advanced weaponry could not stop monsters like Gorosaurus from rampaging.

[GojiFan]

We're essentially talking about creatures with incredible strength and excellent speed defeating something borderline unkillable with an incendiary projectile that it uses just because it like to watch living things burn. The only way the xenos can take this is if Goji is facehugged.

It was borderline unkillable because it was WW2 era weapons vs a giant creature. As I said before, if you consider the different scales, personal weaponry is very comparable to tank rounds. Xenomorphs are also capable of killing creatures using advanced technology that hunt the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy- Predators.

Grid is hardly typical, btw. The xenos in AVP2 are more typical, as are the ones in Aliens. You know, the ones who can be deterred by handguns. And I'm pretty sure I mentioned speed but what you fail to realize is that the assault on Goji didn't consist of tank shots alone. Speed doesn't matter much if your opponent if far more durable than you are and has a one shot projectile. Oh and can heal what you dish out on the off chance you can punch through his missile resistant hide.

First, the scenario in AVP:R (which is what I believe you are referring to) was much different. The Predator featured in that movie was an Arbiter- a much more deadly and skilled fighter. Essentially Wolf was the equivalent to a swat team in Predator society. Arbiters are Predators who grew bored of hunting and instead just enjoy taking on the most ridiculous challenges for shits and giggles. As for the handgun comment, I guess my edit wasn't enough.

The main gun used in Aliens was the M41a Pulse Rifle. It fires rounds that are 10mm x 28mm. For comparison, an AK-47 fires rounds that are 7.62mm x 39mm. But wait, the AK-47's actual bullet is much smaller. It is more like 7mm x 9mm. The round fired by the pulse rifle is caseless. That means the entire bullet that is hitting the target is 10mm x 28mm. It took bursts from this gun to kill a xenomorph. If you watch Aliens, the rounds from the pistols and even sometimes the pulse rifle bounced off of the xenomorphs' exoskeleton. The famous scene in the ventilation ducts has one of the marines empty multiple shots at close range into a xenomorph's head to stop it. A xenomorph in AVP:R kept crawling towards the people in the helicopter even after losing the lower half of its body and getting shot repeatedly in the face and upper body. I could go on about the blunt force resistance of xenomorphs, but I think that is pretty common knowledge.

As for regen, that is all fine and dandy.... except Godzilla 54 never showed any instance of being able to regenerate his heart or brain. Xenomorphs like stabbing things in the chest and shoulder area as well as puncturing skulls. That is actually where they aim almost every time during fights. Godzilla will not survive such a wound.

GojiFan, you're saying that, scaled, a predator is as durable as a a kaiju. When kaiju have not only stood up to military assaults without damage, but have taken mountain cutting beams, missiles that have uprooted entire city blocks from the earth, beams that have melted solid steel in seconds, high intensity lasers, punches, bites, and claws from creatures with bodies designed to carry tens of thousands of pounds with ease, incredibly hot temperatures, incredibly cold temperatures, etc...

Xenomorphs have been thrown into stone pillars that are feet thick, breaking the pillar into pieces, and were mildly disoriented. They have been covered in molten lead and survived. They takes punches, kicks, etc by Predators that have more than enough strength to rip the head and spine out of human beings. At the same size as a human being, they take multiple shots from assault rifles with far more stopping power than modern day rifles to kill. They have been ejected into space, had their heads pierced by spears, and their torsos blown off yet still survived.

Is it the same? No. But they can more than handle what the kaiju in this match throw at them except for Godzilla's beam. They are very fast however and are intelligent enough to dodge plasma bolts from Predators. As I said, the only chance is if Godzilla kills them all with his beam. But considering he is extremely slow compared to the Xenos, the chances of that are slim.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Slow except when his crazy puppet head started spewing fire. And though this is just Godzilla 1954, Godzilla was a Showa era monster with company like Mothra, who could take a colossal beating in larva form without showing much damage beside singe marks on its "soft" hide, and then was unphased by microwave energy beamed directly at it. Mothra was undefeated in its movie by even the most space aged weaponry. And if you want to talk scale, Rodan's food source was bullet proof, yet Rodan still ate the meganulons like they were candy. Not to mention the incredible Xenomorph calibre durability it would need to fly the way it was able to, at such speeds. Godzilla breathes radioactive breath and was never shown to bleed, and Gorosaurus no doubt shares a similar durability to the other Showa era monsters in DAM.

[Kiryu2012]

^This. i never even found Godzilla '54's Atomic Ray that strong anyway. It took a couple of seconds for the beam to destroy a car after it hit. Plus his Atomic Ray looks like a stream of fog and doesn't seem nowhere near as powerful as the early Showa Goji's Atomic Ray, which melted tanks and electrical towers without trouble.

[RedZillaKing]

No the edit wasn't enough. And while I do appreciate the amount of stats and whatnot you're putting into your posts this simple fact remains: the xenos are cannon fodder that can be destroyed by heat based weapons and Godzilla didn't even flinch as he waded through electricity, flames, rockets, and everything else that stood in his way/was thrown at him. I just keep thinking about the xenos in the air ducts seizing up when they're shot by handguns. BTW, the dog alien wasn't a warrior. And wasn't Grid designated an Alpha or somesuch? Cannon fodder vs. cannon. Cannon wins.

[PopInPicsPresents]

^This. i never even found Godzilla '54's Atomic Ray that strong anyway. It took a couple of seconds for the beam to destroy a car after it hit. Plus his Atomic Ray looks like a stream of fog and doesn't seem nowhere near as powerful as the early Showa Goji's Atomic Ray, which melted tanks and electrical towers without trouble.

Gojira melted Electrical Towers too

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Toss in that the second Godzilla in 'Raids Again was attributed with the same traits and durability of the first, and the idea that the creature is slow goes right out the window. Look what it did to Anguirus. Unless the molecular acid is enough of a deterrant, I see Godzilla handling the Xenomorph in much the same way, biting it at a vital point and then burning it as it bleeds to death.

[Kiryu2012]

^If he tried biting them, he would get a mouthful of acid.

[GojiFan]

No the edit wasn't enough. And while I do appreciate the amount of stats and whatnot you're putting into your posts this simple fact remains: the xenos are cannon fodder that can be destroyed by heat based weapons and Godzilla didn't even flinch as he waded through electricity, flames, rockets, and everything else that stood in his way/was thrown at him. I just keep thinking about the xenos in the air ducts seizing up when they're shot by handguns. BTW, the dog alien wasn't a warrior. And wasn't Grid designated an Alpha or somesuch? Cannon fodder vs. cannon. Cannon wins.

Grid was just an average xenomorph. The AvP fandom is full of crazy people who just throw out random theories with no factual backing. Case in point, your confusion about the xenomorphs and resistance to heat. The runner's exoskeleton is still made of the same material as normal, human-born xenomorphs. The only time where they are weak to heat is in some of the games (where the gameplay and mechanics are mostly considered non-canon but the story is canon, kind of like a lot of Star Wars games). Which is what makes it quite ironic because the runner is usually the one designated as having a weakness to heat in games. I think Ash in the first movie even mentions that the exoskeleton contains silicon, which as we know is very resistant to heat.

And as I mentioned earlier, you can actually see many rounds bouncing off of the xenomorphs through out Aliens. I haven't watched the movie in quite some time and this thread makes me want to go watch it again. Such an awesome movie. Maybe I'll take some pictures or something if I do to show what scenes those are.

[Kiryu2012]

^Good point. I now am actually wodering what the Xenomorph's real weaknesses are.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Toss in that the second Godzilla in 'Raids Again was attributed with the same traits and durability of the first, and the idea that the creature is slow goes right out the window. Look what it did to Anguirus. Unless the molecular acid is enough of a deterrant, I see Godzilla handling the Xenomorph in much the same way, biting it at a vital point and then burning it as it bleeds to death.

Maybe because,IDK the second Godzilla was much, MUCH skinnier and more agile

[RedZillaKing]

I have a very hard time believing Grid was normal. If nothing else, ''he'' was a ''hero'' type, meant to be exceptional. And how do you know the runner doesn't have a denser, more heat resistant exoskeleton? Also, wasn't a xeno damaged by Hicks's handgun? Anyway, yeah... It is an awesome movie.

But I don't recall bullets bouncing off any aliens... Hell, my main complaint about the film was how Mr. Cameron made them so... fragile. It gave my Predator wanking classmates a lot of ammo...

[Gyaos]

I dont remember Hicks having a handgun. I think you meant the Mossberg M500 shotgun he carried which by the way, he shoved right into the Xeno's mouth and blew out the back of it's head. The inside of the mount isnt armored.

[GojiFan]

But I don't recall bullets bouncing off any aliens... Hell, my main complaint about the film was how Mr. Cameron made them so... fragile. It gave my Predator wanking classmates a lot of ammo...

Your classmates never did the little bit of digging to figure out that the pulse rifles shoot rounds almost three times the size of an AK-47 round that have explosive tips.

Anyways, I think we all made our points about where we stand.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Toss in that the second Godzilla in 'Raids Again was attributed with the same traits and durability of the first, and the idea that the creature is slow goes right out the window. Look what it did to Anguirus. Unless the molecular acid is enough of a deterrant, I see Godzilla handling the Xenomorph in much the same way, biting it at a vital point and then burning it as it bleeds to death.

Maybe because,IDK the second Godzilla was much, MUCH skinnier and more agile

That doesn't keep Dr. Yamane from speaking about the creature, even comparing it to the feats of the original monster using a film in a board room meeting, and the resistance to damage was once more showcased, now adding attacks from a similar sized creature doing just as little to damage it as the human weapons did. And I'm sure the human weapons did just as little damage to Anguirus, yet Godzilla still killed it.

[RedZillaKing]

^^^ Well if it was a shotgun, that's a different story .. Still, the handgun was shown to be effective in the duct scene.

@GojiFan, actually it was probably assumed to be regular rifle fire lol. An agreement to disagree? Why not?