Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:34 pm

Ghidorah could've blasted Mothra but he didn't. Mothra wasn't blocked, he was higher up. Ghids still had a shot if he'd take it. He could've repeatedly shot grav. beams at Rody who was right in front of his face. The webs would block his mouths? Really? Well in that case it goes double for Kumonga's webbing which was actually made to ensnare prey.


Well the explanation I gave at least makes more sense then "If Ghidorah had fought back, the good guys would have lost and no one wants to see a movie where that happens!"

The way I see it, Mothra was in a place that Ghidorah couldn't get him. It doesn't matter if he could see him or not, the Gravity Bolts would have been blocked by Rodan, and that wouldn't have stopped the webbing.

The point I'm trying to make with this is: Godzilla, Rodan and Mothra had a good plan to stop Ghidorah. And it worked. All three played to their strengths and worked off each other very well in that fight. Godzilla was the muscle to hold Ghidorah back. Rodan worked to make sure that Mothra could do her part of the plan, using his flight and body as a way to protect Mothra. And Mothra sealed it away with her webbing. It worked, because they covered all of their bases.

None of that works here! There's no muscle. There's no way that Rodan can aid Kumonga in his webbing, other than occasionally hit Ghidorah in the back of the head to distract Ghidorah for a moment, only for Ghidorah to focus on the webbing again a few seconds later. There is no way that the plan which was used in GTTHM can be used here, because all of the components in place in that fight do not exist here.

As for the whole Absolute Zero thing...Dude, go research Absolute Zero. It's very simple to understand that nothing survives absolute zero, because you're essentially turned into ice. This isn't some imaginary concept, it's been studied. Either way, Manda died at the end of Atragon. I don't see how anyone could think he could have survived.

Isn't Ghidorah considered a crazy bastard who really wouldn't give a rat's ass where the target was?


...Except that he almost always hit his target when he had one. It's when he doesn't have a target that he just fires wildly.

And as to Kumunga's web being stopped fairly easily, yeah because the only thing that can stop it is heat. And I'm pretty sure the Gravity Beams aren't heat based.


A. I'm pretty sure they are heat based. They melted tanks, which takes a considerable amount of heat to do.
B. You're missing my point. When I said "Kumonga's webs can be stopped easily", I meant that King Ghidorah can just blast Kumonga in the face with a few Gravity Bolts, and he'll stop with the webs until he regains his composure. Thus, his webs are stopped easily.

Ghidorah would have no way of stopping the webbing.


And you know this...how?

Ghidorah can stop the webbing plenty of ways. Flying up and stomping on Kumonga, flying to a different location that Kumonga would have the walk a ways to get to, firing his gravity bolts at Kumonga and causing him intense pain that'll make him stop firing the webbing for a bit, and more.

And Kumunga's webbing is fairly fast, it managed to put Godzilla on his ass much quicker then it took the two Mothra larvae.


...The webbing that Kumonga did to Godzilla was nothing compared to the webbing that the Mothra Larva did. They wrapped him up entirely in a cocoon. Kumonga hardly even got a thin layer on Godzilla. It's not about knocking your foe on his ass, it's about making sure they can't move or fight back. The Mothra Larva did a much better job at that then Kumonga did.

*sigh*

This is just ridiculous. At this point, we're just going around in circles and we're going to stay that way as far as I can see. Thus, I see this conversation serving no further purpose. I've made my point, and I'm sticking to it. I'm done.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:03 pm

It's very simple to understand that nothing can survive being immersed in a flow of magma too. My point stands.

Edit: And furthermore, Mothra's head was sticking out right next to Rody's. If Ghidorah could hit Rodan, he could hit Mothra. Godzilla's tail puling and Mothra's spray were all it took to defeat Ghids. Rodan could easily distract him while Kumonga sprays his web. Pecking, biting, hell, pulling on his tail... While KG flails about like an idiot.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:30 pm

Like I said before, Ghidorah doesn't like getting a mild beating. Whenever he seems to get knocked on his ass he flies away. When he battled Godzilla and Rodan in Astro Monsters he was basically body slammed in both encounters and flew away after that. He's a coward. Whenever he isn't being controlled and takes a mild beating he flees. If Rodan and Kumunga can knock Ghidorah on his ass a few times the Space Dragon will flee.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:40 pm

How come when ever GXG is in a disagreement he gets upset and wants to stop the conversation?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:47 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Kaiju-King42 wrote:Tell that to Godzilla and Kiryu....


Yeah, that's basically the movie saying "Go skreeonk yourself science!" That ending doesn't make any bit of scientific sense, so I don't count it here.


I'd like to know why he's to stubborn to admit that a kaiju can't survive the AZ even though it skreeonk happened in the source material. It happened, it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. Godzilla survived an Absolute Zero Cannon and a Black skreeonk Hole to the face. He also escaped from it. Care to brush that under the carpet as well? What's the point in debating with you if you just push aside stuff that happens in the source material?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:51 pm

From a logical standpoint a lot of this shit doesn't make sense, lol.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:44 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:From a logical standpoint a lot of this shit doesn't make sense, lol.


Exactly why I like to insist that kaiju are not oversized animals. I mean, look at Garu Garu! He's basically a mini-kaiju. He shoots beams, is strong enough to break through a piano leg with his wing, flies at 1000 kilometres per hour, and even has the kaiju density thing going on: 30 centimetres tall and roughly 110 pounds! If a kaiju were just a giant animal, then a non-giant Garu Garu wouldn't be anything like what we've got now.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:36 am

I kept hearing about a lack of distraction in this match up, and it dawned on me. Kumonga is a giant spider, so it could also probably construct webs to ensnare King Ghidorah. Rodan would be more than capable of knocking King Ghidorah into one.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:37 am

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RedZillaKing wrote:From a logical standpoint a lot of this shit doesn't make sense, lol.


Exactly why I like to insist that kaiju are not oversized animals.


It's my understanding that monsters like Godzilla are treated more like a natural disaster in Japan's films hence why missiles usually don't do jack squat cause you know, you can't stop a hurricane or earthquake or tidal wave by shooting it. Monsters in American films tend to be treated as just oversized animals which lad to one of the many problems in Tri-Stars Godzilla. Mainly being harmed and ultimately killed by missiles.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:52 am

Living Corpse wrote:
Kaiju-King42 wrote:
RedZillaKing wrote:From a logical standpoint a lot of this shit doesn't make sense, lol.


Exactly why I like to insist that kaiju are not oversized animals.


It's my understanding that monsters like Godzilla are treated more like a natural disaster in Japan's films hence why missiles usually don't do jack squat cause you know, you can't stop a hurricane or earthquake or tidal wave by shooting it. Monsters in American films tend to be treated as just oversized animals which lad to one of the many problems in Tri-Stars Godzilla. Mainly being harmed and ultimately killed by missiles.


This and the fact that the Showa era couldn't his a monster to save their lives.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:05 pm

Was Raids again a Showa era movie? I know they were on target in that one! They blasted the heck out of ol' Gigantis and it just mopped the floor with them. A good American comparison would be the Black Scorpion. The movie is practically all military shooting Scorpions with big guns, to very little effect.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:34 pm

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:Was Raids again a Showa era movie?



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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:05 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
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RedZillaKing wrote:From a logical standpoint a lot of this shit doesn't make sense, lol.


Exactly why I like to insist that kaiju are not oversized animals.


It's my understanding that monsters like Godzilla are treated more like a natural disaster in Japan's films hence why missiles usually don't do jack squat cause you know, you can't stop a hurricane or earthquake or tidal wave by shooting it. Monsters in American films tend to be treated as just oversized animals which lad to one of the many problems in Tri-Stars Godzilla. Mainly being harmed and ultimately killed by missiles.


Exactly. This is what really defines a kaiju for me. They are living natural disatsers. If you think about it, they're almost like gods! After all, ancient people did often attribute the cause of natural disastser to their god being argy and unleashing his wrath upon the people. Kaiju seem to fil this role too. Godzilla represents nuclear bombs, but could Rodan almost be like a living hurricane? Could King Ghidorah be a living personification of war?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:22 pm

Godzilla and Rodan defiantly represent something, I can't remember what Rodan represents though. I don't think any other kaiju represent anything.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:31 pm

PopInPicsPresents wrote:Godzilla and Rodan defiantly represent something, I can't remember what Rodan represents though. I don't think any other kaiju represent anything.


Godzilla= Nuclear weapons

Rodan= I don't know may Hurricane or Tornado

Ghidorah= end of the world
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:37 pm

^ That just reminded me. Isn't 2012 the year of the dragon?


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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:02 pm

Kaiju-King42 wrote: Godzilla represents nuclear bombs, but could Rodan almost be like a living hurricane? Could King Ghidorah be a living personification of war?


Originally Godzilla represented just the nuclear bombs but films like ROG, GvB, and GMK have over the years also make him represent war and man's mistakes in general.

Ghidorah is basically the personification of insanity and as someone else said "the end of life", death.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Gyaos » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:14 pm

How a golden three headed dragon represents death and the end of life is beyond me. If anything, Death Ghidorah (Or Desghidorah) deserves that title since he actually looks like some kind of demon or bringer of destruction.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Captain Aktion » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:01 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
Kaiju-King42 wrote: Godzilla represents nuclear bombs, but could Rodan almost be like a living hurricane? Could King Ghidorah be a living personification of war?


Originally Godzilla represented just the nuclear bombs but films like ROG, GvB, and GMK have over the years also make him represent war and man's mistakes in general.


While I more or less agree, I would like to say that I don't think the original Gojira was meant to simply evoke the nuclear bombardment. The dragon represents birth and death in the eastern mythos. Godzilla is, at heart, a dragon, inducing death and birth. Death of the old ways and a birth of the new world. I could argue that Gojira is the birth and death of a modern Japan, all hinging on a horrible, deadly, nuclear bomb...
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:39 am

Gyaos wrote:How a golden three headed dragon represents death and the end of life is beyond me. If anything, Death Ghidorah (Or Desghidorah) deserves that title since he actually looks like some kind of demon or bringer of destruction.


To be fair Showa King Ghidorah DID destroy several worlds so to those worlds he was death and the end of life. But that could easily be said of any creature with the potential to become a planet killer level monster like Hedorah or Destoryah.
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