Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

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Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).

And it was sent flying with each hit

[Gyaos]

Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).

And it was sent flying with each hit

Which is still better than Kumonga who would have been killed within the first volley. I'd also bring in the part in DAM where Ghidorah's gravity beams bring Gorosaurus to his knees and make Rodan flee from the battle.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Can Ghidorah fly as fast as Rodan did in it's debut film? One thing Rodan has going for it is that destructive shockwave it generates while in flight, and it's incredible speed and maneuverability, and even a kind of power breath weapon in the first film. Other than that, Rodan really does not seem to have anything on King Ghidorah. It has three heads to it's one, and each on a long coiling neck. I can see Kumonga maybe being able to tie those necks up with its legs, and perhaps try to cocoon the space monster like a real spider does its prey, but unless it can seal those three mouths shut, it would probably be cooked eventually. Still would be a sweet battle to see though.

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Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).

And it was sent flying with each hit

Which is still better than Kumonga who would have been killed within the first volley. I'd also bring in the part in DAM where Ghidorah's gravity beams bring Gorosaurus to his knees and make Rodan flee from the battle.

On what grounds to you say Kumunga isn't durable? Suggesting a Mothra Larva is more durable then a monster that matched Godzilla's strength is ludicrous. If it weren't for the weather and Minya's interference Godzilla would have had a much harder battle. And are we forgetting Kumunga's a smart cookie? While Ghidorah is pretty meh..It could easily fool Ghidorah by playing dead and blinding one of Ghidorah's heads, and the webs will make Ghidorah helpless, same as they did in GTTHM.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Two of the times he hit Mothra he had time to aim.

...What the hell does that even mean? How does Ghidorah aim? Does he zone in on his target, have a little icon in his eyes that say "Target acquired!", and what not?

How the hell do you know it just wasn't firing wildly? Ghidorah doesn't need to take the time to aim to get a good shot. He just needs to fire, and he'll hit something. Also, who cares if he has to aim? It's not like it'll matter in this fight, because Kumonga is hard to miss.

Maybe he slowed down because you know, it was skreeonk snowing Insects tend not to thrive well in the cold, especially when they're a tropical species..

Um...no. He slowed down before the snow started falling. The weather had nothing to do with that. Kumonga slowed down, because he's weak to fire, and after getting hit with fire enough, it slowed him down to the point of death.

While Rodan's attacks are going to hurt,

...What attacks? What can Rodan attack Ghidorah with that would cause significant damage to him? Dropping rocks on him? Blowing wind in his face? Running away? Yeah, none of that is going to hurt Ghidorah.

Kumunga was weakened by the cold, then hit by 2 simultaneous Atomic Rays. That's much more then any Showa Mothra ever went through

A. The cold didn't weaken Kumonga. You have no proof of that.
B. The two simultaneous rays were superfluous. By the time Kumonga was hit by those rays, he was already dead. Those two rays were just there to look cool. It's like the second ray that Godzilla fires on Megaguirus after the first one already hit: The target was already dead, the second ray was not necessary.

[RedZillaKing]

...What attacks? What can Rodan attack Ghidorah with that would cause significant damage to him? Dropping rocks on him? Blowing wind in his face? Running away? Yeah, none of that is going to hurt Ghidorah.

Rodan has been shown to be able to stop Ghidorah in his tracks with a ram attack. Said attack also made Ghidorah fall from the sky. (1:59)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRS-1Kko ... 915DA146BA
Have you seen Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster and Invasion of the Astro Monster? Together with Goji, Rodan was able to defeat Ghidorah three times. And it wasn't just Goji doing the beating either. Rodan is powerful, and extremely durable. I don't really understand how you can claim he has nothing that can hurt Ghidorah.
I stated in the second part of the sentence that you quoted that I didn't think Rodan could take Ghidorah. Why don't you read the context before you immediately argue against someone who agrees with you. I'm starting to wonder if you're just contrary.

[miguelnuva]

Two of the times he hit Mothra he had time to aim.

...What the hell does that even mean? How does Ghidorah aim? Does he zone in on his target, have a little icon in his eyes that say "Target acquired!", and what not?

How the hell do you know it just wasn't firing wildly? Ghidorah doesn't need to take the time to aim to get a good shot. He just needs to fire, and he'll hit something. Also, who cares if he has to aim? It's not like it'll matter in this fight, because Kumonga is hard to miss.

It means that while 8 times out of 10 Ghidorah shoots widely those other two times he stops and fires his beams without his heads moving all over the place.

[Captain Aktion]

Not really following all of this, but I did want to pop in and point out something.

I'm pretty sure (you can correct me if I'm wrong) that Rodan is the fastest flier in the Showa era, and he manages to do that without any propellant of any kind. Pretty impressive speeds this guy can hit by flapping his wings; and with the sheer size of it? Wow, that's a whole lot of hidden power inside of Rodan, possibly more than we would obviously assume. Theoretically, Rodan could have the strongest "punch" of any of the Showa beasts. If he can flap those wings of his with enough force to lift his own weight off of the ground, and with that wind-resistance, then I'd say a downward hook from one of those wings could do some serious, serious damage. Especially if you take his force+mass/weight behind it. Devastating. Perhaps Ghidorah could strike in a similar fashion, but his wings don't have the mass or bone structure reinforcing the strikes. Again, I think Rodan could, theoretically, have the "knockout" punch of the Showa era; Goro and his kangaroo kick are the only competition I can think of.

And one more point; Rodan's durability. If a thing of that size, weight, and surface area can propel itself at those kinds of speeds under that kind of strain and wind-shear, then it must, again, have some hidden strengths that aren't immediately apparent. Think; if he's moving that fast with that surface-area, he should be burning up, he should be breaking apart at the joints and seams, he should be blacking out from the lack of oxygen and any way to process it, and with how long he can keep those speeds up, he should frankly be dead. But he's not. It doesn't seem to effect him at all. It must be all but impossible to damage those wings of his. Hell, it must be nearly impossible to dislocate any of the bones in his arms or shoulders, 'cause there's no greater stress they could be put through than what he already does on a daily, consistent basis.

In fact, the only thing that has been shown to actually maim Rodan was magma, and man, that's a pretty tough weakness to exploit.

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Here's my thing, Godzilla's Atomic Ray never really hurt Ghidorah. Godzilla's melee is what really made the battle go his way. Ghidorah isn't really good up close, and I don't believe the Gravity Beams are that powerful. The hurricane winds are what really tore up Tokyo. I believe the Gravity Bolts are specialized for causing pain more then anything. They don't really compare to the Atomic Ray.
Now, if Rodan can distract Ghidorah long enough, Kumunga can either start shooting web or go in for melee. Both would be pretty effective. Ghidorah becomes helpless when covered in webbing. That and he tends to retreat when he starts getting beat up on. Ghidorah will retreat after Kumunga and Rodan start to put up a fight.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Rodan has been shown to be able to stop Ghidorah in his tracks with a ram attack. Said attack also made Ghidorah fall from the sky. (1:59)

Dude, I've seen the movies. You don't need to give me links to what you're talking about.

That mid-air ram in GTTHM won't work unless Ghidorah is in the air as well. And seeing how Kumonga is restricted to the ground, I really doubt that Ghidorah will be flying at all. Therefore, the only attack that Rodan ever did to Ghidorah that stalled him or may have caused some damage, is entirely useless in this fight.

Have you seen Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster and Invasion of the Astro Monster? Together with Goji, Rodan was able to defeat Ghidorah three times.

Read the bolded.

Godzilla is not in this fight! Kumonga is a very poor substitute for Godzilla, since Kumonga can't hold Ghidorah back while Rodan does something else, Kumonga can't engage Ghidorah physically without screwing himself over, Kumonga doesn't have an energy attack, etc.

The only reason that Godzilla and Rodan were able to take down Ghidorah twice (the third time was a tie), was because they worked together, and they make a good team. They cover up each other's weaknesses rather well, and can attack a variety of ways. They're just a great monster tag team. The same cannot be said for Rodan and Kumonga.

Also, you really need to stop talking down to people like that, unless you want to come off sounding like a jerk.

I don't really understand how you can claim he has nothing that can hurt Ghidorah.

Because, in this fight, where Ghidorah would be spending the entire fight on the ground, all Rodan can do is fly by Ghidorah and maybe ram him, which would just annoy Ghidorah.

Why don't you read the context before you immediately argue against someone who agrees with you.

Because all I read was that particular part of your post, got pissed off at what you were saying, and responded to it. If you think Ghidorah would win, then you really shouldn't say things like "Rodan's attacks are going to hurt". By doing so, you're sending mixed messages.

I'm starting to wonder if you're just contrary.

...What does that even mean? I can't be what you're saying if I have no idea what you're talking about.

It means that while 8 times out of 10 Ghidorah shoots widely those other two times he stops and fires his beams without his heads moving all over the place.

...What?

Ghidorah never stopped firing wildly. He just fires whenever he wants. He doesn't need to aim, because he's got three beams. He's bound to hit something.

And like I said, it's not like any of that is going to matter in this fight. He'll still easily hit Kumonga. A few shots from the Gravity Bolts, and Kumonga will go down.

[RedZillaKing]

Dude, I've seen the movies. You don't need to give me links to what you're talking about.

Everyone's memory needs refreshing once and a while. What I did (or wasted my time doing, according to your reaction) was meant as a courtesy.

That mid-air ram in GTTHM won't work unless Ghidorah is in the air as well. And seeing how Kumonga is restricted to the ground, I really doubt that Ghidorah will be flying at all. Therefore, the only attack that Rodan ever did to Ghidorah that stalled him or may have caused some damage, is entirely useless in this fight.

Godzilla and Mothra were restricted to the ground as well. It didn't stop Ghidorah from taking to the air in pursuit of Rodan. And it didn't stop Rodan from showing superior maneuverability by turning quick and slamming into KG's side. Ghidorah pursued Rodan. What's more, Rodan dropped a huge boulder on Ghidorah and rammed him to the ground twice in Astro Monster. Like literally knocked him on his golden ass. Ghidorah saw it coming and everything. It won't be useless.

Have you seen Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster and Invasion of the Astro Monster? Together with Goji, Rodan was able to defeat Ghidorah three times.

Read the bolded.

Godzilla is not in this fight! Kumonga is a very poor substitute for Godzilla, since Kumonga can't hold Ghidorah back while Rodan does something else, Kumonga can't engage Ghidorah physically without screwing himself over, Kumonga doesn't have an energy attack, etc.

Read the last mini paragraph in my post. My exact words were: "The spider may have given Goji a tough time but it's no substitute for him in this fight..."
Never claimed Goji was in this fight. However, Rodan's attacks did hurt Ghidorah and were important to the victories against him. My original claim stands. With plenty of backup from the films.

The only reason that Godzilla and Rodan were able to take down Ghidorah twice (the third time was a tie), was because they worked together, and they make a good team. They cover up each other's weaknesses rather well, and can attack a variety of ways. They're just a great monster tag team. The same cannot be said for Rodan and Kumonga.

Ghidorah took off. He was driven away. It was not a tie. As for the whole "making a great team" thing, I agree. Which is why my post's whole point was that Kumonga was no substitute for Goji and that Rodan couldn't take it on his own.

Also, you really need to stop talking down to people like that, unless you want to come off sounding like a jerk.

Now you lost me. What the skreeonk are you talking about?

Because, in this fight, where Ghidorah would be spending the entire fight on the ground, all Rodan can do is fly by Ghidorah and maybe ram him, which would just annoy Ghidorah.

No, the ram attacks would knock him down... Just as they did in the films.

Because all I read was that particular part of your post, got pissed off at what you were saying, and responded to it.

That's not my fault. Read the context. You'd only get mixed signals if you don't read the whole thing and properly interpret my intentions through context.

If you think Ghidorah would win, then you really shouldn't say things like "Rodan's attacks are going to hurt". By doing so, you're sending mixed messages.

I'm not going to gloss over the facts just to get my point across. That's the very definition of bias.

...What does that even mean? I can't be what you're saying if I have no idea what you're talking about.

You're arguing despite not reading my entire post and realizing that we're in agreement.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Godzilla and Mothra were restricted to the ground as well. It didn't stop Ghidorah from taking to the air in pursuit of Rodan.

Rodan brought Ghidorah to the air, only because Ghidorah was messing with Godzilla. Like knocking his ass to the ground and blasting the shit out of him with his Gravity Bolts.

Also notice how that only happened one time. Ghidorah never fell for that trick again. So yeah, I stand by my statement that Ghidorah will spend this fight mostly on the ground. And even if this fight gets taken to the air, the fight then just becomes Rodan against King Ghidorah, which King Ghidorah wins.

What's more, Rodan dropped a huge boulder on Ghidorah and rammed him to the ground twice in Astro Monster.

That bolder from Rodan only stunned Ghidorah long enough for Godzilla to leap at him and knock him over. The bolder didn't knock Ghidorah over, Godzilla did. As for ramming Ghidorah in IotAM, notice how Rodan rammed Ghidorah while carrying Godzilla as well. Had Rodan not been carrying Godzilla, I don't think that ram would have done anything.

So yeah, the main two things that Rodan did in that movie wouldn't have done much of anything to Ghidorah had it not been for Godzilla. And since he's not in this fight, there goes Rodan's main attacks in that movie.

However, Rodan's attacks did hurt Ghidorah and were important to the victories against him. My original claim stands. With plenty of backup from the films.

Those attacks from Rodan only did any damage to Ghidorah, because Godzilla was there to capitalize on them. That's not the case here.

Ghidorah took off. He was driven away. It was not a tie.

We never saw Godzilla or Rodan either, so for all we know, they were driven away as well. They both took off from the fight. It was a tie.

No, the ram attacks would knock him down... Just as they did in the films.

Rodan only rammed Ghidorah twice. Once in the air, which probably won't happen in this fight (even if it does, Ghidorah will just get right back up, like he did in the film), and the other was with the assistance of Godzilla, who isn't in this fight. Therefore Rodan's ramming is kinda moot in this fight.

I'm not going to gloss over the facts just to get my point across. That's the very definition of bias.

...What? I'm not being bias. I just read that one part of the post, got pissed off, mostly because of everyone else in this thread saying the same things and I got irriated after a while (especially when the things people are saying make no sense), and I just didn't want to read the rest of your post.

That's not bias. That's just anger and frustration.

[Kaiju-King42]

Here's my thing, Godzilla's Atomic Ray never really hurt Ghidorah. Godzilla's melee is what really made the battle go his way. Ghidorah isn't really good up close, and I don't believe the Gravity Beams are that powerful. The hurricane winds are what really tore up Tokyo. I believe the Gravity Bolts are specialized for causing pain more then anything. They don't really compare to the Atomic Ray.

So the buildings, entire blocks worth of buildings, exploded due to hurricane winds? Exploded???

[RedZillaKing]

Rodan brought Ghidorah to the air, only because Ghidorah was messing with Godzilla. Like knocking his ass to the ground and blasting the shit out of him with his Gravity Bolts.

Actually Ghidorah chased Rodan. Regardless, Godzilla was as landbound as Kumonga will be.

Also notice how that only happened one time. Ghidorah never fell for that trick again. So yeah, I stand by my statement that Ghidorah will spend this fight mostly on the ground.

Never said he wouldn't. Whether or not it only happened once it showed Rodan's superiority in the air. He outmaneuvered/outsmarted Ghidorah, no two ways about it.

And even if this fight gets taken to the air, the fight then just becomes Rodan against King Ghidorah, which King Ghidorah wins.

You're saying this despite direct film evidence to the contrary. Rodan is the superior combatant in the air.

That bolder from Rodan only stunned Ghidorah long enough for Godzilla to leap at him and knock him over. The bolder didn't knock Ghidorah over, Godzilla did.

Actually, it was a one two punch from the tag team. Regardless, you said it yourself. The boulder stunned Ghidorah.

As for ramming Ghidorah in IotAM, notice how Rodan rammed Ghidorah while carrying Godzilla as well. Had Rodan not been carrying Godzilla, I don't think that ram would have done anything.

Didn't mention that time at all, since it's irrelevant to this fight. There were two seperate occasions where Rodan slammed into a grounded Ghidorah by himself and knocked the dragon over. There's no point denying this. And if you need direct citation, I would be happy to provide it.

So yeah, the main two things that Rodan did in that movie wouldn't have done much of anything to Ghidorah had it not been for Godzilla. And since he's not in this fight, there goes Rodan's main attacks in that movie.

I'd suggest rewatching the movies. It's available on Netflix instant streaming. You'll see that you're minimizing Rodan's contributions and giving all the credit to Goji.

Those attacks from Rodan only did any damage to Ghidorah, because Godzilla was there to capitalize on them. That's not the case here.

No, Rodan's attacks were damaging on their own. End of story.

We never saw Godzilla or Rodan either, so for all we know, they were driven away as well. They both took off from the fight. It was a tie.

Then why did Ghidorah flee the Earth like a bat out of hell? The space dragon was driven from their territory, Goji and Rodan won.

Rodan only rammed Ghidorah twice. Once in the air, which probably won't happen in this fight (even if it does, Ghidorah will just get right back up, like he did in the film), and the other was with the assistance of Godzilla, who isn't in this fight. Therefore Rodan's ramming is kinda moot in this fight.

Once in the air, twice on the ground, once with Goji. BTW, Rodan's half his size and he got up almost as fast. That says a pterosaur's lot for the pterosaur's durability.

...What? I'm not being bias. I just read that one part of the post, got pissed off, mostly because of everyone else in this thread saying the same things and I got irriated after a while (especially when the things people are saying make no sense), and I just didn't want to read the rest of your post.

That's not bias. That's just anger and frustration.

Again, that has nothing to do with me. And I wasn't calling you bias. You told me that I shouldn't say Rodan's attacks would hurt if I thought Ghidorah would win. In doing so you're asking me to present a biased argument. I know Rodan's attacks would hurt, but I also know that Kumonga is underqualified for this tag team. Therefore my conclusion is that Ghidorah would win. Despite Rody's damaging attacks.

Rodan's going to fight his hardest but Kumonga will not contribute nearly enough for the team to pull a win. We're in agreement on the main point, but Rodan's no slouch. He put his fair share of hurt on Ghidorah before and he'd do it here. It just won't be enough.

[Living Corpse]

So the buildings, entire blocks worth of buildings, exploded due to hurricane winds? Exploded???

I get where you're coming from.

Just cause a beam doesn't make huge ass explosions doesn't mean it's weak. The Gravity beams basically punches things hard enough to make building crumble like they were hit by boulder thrown from a catapult and hurt kaiju like they're being punched by giant fists (hence the name, it manipulates gravity to punch things, like a reverse black hole). They're basically an extension of King Ghidorah's body and act as his fists in a weird way.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Actually Ghidorah chased Rodan. Regardless, Godzilla was as landbound as Kumonga will be.

Yeah, Ghidorah chased Rodan, because Rodan slapped his feet against Ghidorah's face. Rodan did that for reasons I already stated. So yeah, Rodan brought Ghidorah into the air, because Ghidorah was messing with Godzilla.

Whether or not it only happened once it showed Rodan's superiority in the air. He outmaneuvered/outsmarted Ghidorah, no two ways about it.

Too bad that, if that's the case, the fight won't last longer than a few seconds in the air. Ghidorah prefers to keep the fight to the ground. Rodan may be better in the air, but Ghidorah won't be going to the air.

You're saying this despite direct film evidence to the contrary. Rodan is the superior combatant in the air.

If the fight goes to the air, it will end after a few seconds. Ghidorah will go back to the ground, and Kumonga will be far away by that point. So much so, that he might as well be out of the battle by that point, and it's just Rodan against Ghidorah, which Ghidorah wins.

No, Rodan's attacks were damaging on their own. End of story.

I have yet to see any evidence that proves Rodan's attacks would cause any damage to King Ghidorah, other than knocking him over, which Ghidorah can quickly get back up from. Rodan can ram him, but those rams hardly ever did anything to Ghidorah in the movies. Ghidorah just shrugged them off, got back up, and kept fighting.

Then why did Ghidorah flee the Earth like a bat out of hell? The space dragon was driven from their territory, Goji and Rodan won.

How do we know that Godzilla and Rodan didn't flee like crazy too? They were driven from their territory too. They didn't surface. It was a tie. Godzilla and Rodan would have won if they had surfaced, and roared in victory at the fleeing Ghidorah. They didn't. We don't know what happened to them. It's similar to the end of King Kong vs. Godzilla: Kong surfaced, Godzilla didn't. Kong won. Had Godzilla surfaced, it would have been a tie.

[RedZillaKing]

Yeah, Ghidorah chased Rodan, because Rodan slapped his feet against Ghidorah's face..

So... they were fighting?

Rodan did that for reasons I already stated. So yeah, Rodan brought Ghidorah into the air, because Ghidorah was messing with Godzilla.

Rodan did that because he was fighting Ghidorah. Each monster was trying to hurt him. You have no proof whatsoever that it was motivated by concern for Godzilla.

Whether or not it only happened once it showed Rodan's superiority in the air. He outmaneuvered/outsmarted Ghidorah, no two ways about it.

Too bad that, if that's the case, the fight won't last longer than a few seconds in the air. Ghidorah prefers to keep the fight to the ground. Rodan may be better in the air, but Ghidorah won't be going to the air.

So? We all know Ghidorah fights on the ground. Who are you arguing with-yourself? If Ghidorah chases Rodan, he'll be at a disadvantage in the air. My entire point is that the ram attack hurt him.

If the fight goes to the air, it will end after a few seconds. Ghidorah will go back to the ground, and Kumonga will be far away by that point. So much so, that he might as well be out of the battle by that point, and it's just Rodan against Ghidorah, which Ghidorah wins.

Yeah because the brief dogfight brought them so far from the other monsters.... No, wait.. they stayed in the same area.

I have yet to see any evidence that proves Rodan's attacks would cause any damage to King Ghidorah, other than knocking him over, which Ghidorah can quickly get back up from. Rodan can ram him, but those rams hardly ever did anything to Ghidorah in the movies. Ghidorah just shrugged them off, got back up, and kept fighting.

Cop out. Goji's attacks never caused any apparent damage either, yet their concerted effort drove Ghidorah away. Each successive hit hurt Ghidorah, that's why he retreated. That's why they won. If a monster half your size knocks you on your ass, it's one hell of a hit. Regardless of whether you want to discount the attack or not.

How do we know that Godzilla and Rodan didn't flee like crazy too? They were driven from their territory too.

First of all, Godzilla's territory is the water. Rodan would've flown off if he fled. The two monsters were clearly resting under the sea. Everything up to that point showed that the Earth monsters were winning. And if they had fled, Ghidorah would've stayed and destroyed the world.

They didn't surface. It was a tie. Godzilla and Rodan would have won if they had surfaced, and roared in victory at the fleeing Ghidorah. They didn't. We don't know what happened to them. It's similar to the end of King Kong vs. Godzilla: Kong surfaced, Godzilla didn't. Kong won. Had Godzilla surfaced, it would have been a tie.

Except Kong, like the two Earth monsters, was the hero of the film. He was heading home for some rest. Everything up to the point where Kong and Goji fell into the ocean showed Kong shocking Goji and beating him. Kong left, Ghidorah fled.

[miguelnuva]

How do we know that Godzilla and Rodan didn't flee like crazy too? They were driven from their territory too. They didn't surface. It was a tie. Godzilla and Rodan would have won if they had surfaced, and roared in victory at the fleeing Ghidorah. They didn't. We don't know what happened to them. It's similar to the end of King Kong vs. Godzilla: Kong surfaced, Godzilla didn't. Kong won. Had Godzilla surfaced, it would have been a tie.

When have we know Godzilla or Rodan to flee like crazy, we've seen Ghidorah leave and try to leave time after time.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Yeah because the brief dogfight brought them so far from the other monsters.... No, wait.. they stayed in the same area.

...No. They landed further up on the mountain where they were fighting. Had they stayed in the same area, Godzilla and Mothra wouldn't have had to go up the mountain. They had to walk a considerable length to reach Ghidorah and Rodan.

Goji's attacks never caused any apparent damage either, yet their concerted effort drove Ghidorah away.

Um...no. Godzilla's attacks were not the thing that drove Ghidorah away. In GTTHM, Ghidorah was driven away, because the webbing caused him to be unable to attack his opponents, so they could just keep attacking him all they wanted, and he wouldn't be able to fight back. Had it not be for the webbing, Ghidorah could have kept going all day. In IotAM, Ghidorah was driven away, because of their big tumble down into the water, which wasn't all Godzilla's doing.

So yeah, there's no proof that Godzilla's attacks were the driving force being Ghidorah's retreat.

First of all, Godzilla's territory is the water

By territory, I mean the spot where they were fighting. Ghidorah has no territory on earth, so what territory can he be driven away from?

Rodan would've flown off if he fled.

Maybe Rodan can swim. If he can't, then he probably died at the end of IotAM, and I would seriously consider that a win for King Ghidorah.

And if they had fled, Ghidorah would've stayed and destroyed the world.

...What kind of sense does that make? Does it ever occur to you that they both fled? That as soon as they hit the water, Godzilla and Rodan swam away, fleeing, and King Ghidorah flew away, fleeing.

King Ghidorah still fled, I'm not saying he didn't, but I'm also saying that Godzilla and Rodan fled too. King Ghidorah just didn't know that they fled.

Except Kong, like the two Earth monsters, was the hero of the film. He was heading home for some rest. Everything up to the point where Kong and Goji fell into the ocean showed Kong shocking Goji and beating him. Kong left, Ghidorah fled.

You're missing my point. It doesn't matter who the hero of the film is. Hell, Godzilla and Rodan are not the hero's of their film, that would be Glen and Fuji. It also doesn't matter who was winning up until that point. What matters is who came out on top. In KKvsG, it was Kong, because he rose from the water, and Godzilla did not. In IotAM, neither monster won, because they all fled.

[miguelnuva]

Rodan would've flown off if he fled.

Maybe Rodan can swim. If he can't, then he probably died at the end of IotAM, and I would seriously consider that a win for King Ghidorah.


...What kind of sense does that make? Does it ever occur to you that they both fled? That as soon as they hit the water, Godzilla and Rodan swam away, fleeing, and King Ghidorah flew away, fleeing.

King Ghidorah still fled, I'm not saying he didn't, but I'm also saying that Godzilla and Rodan fled too. King Ghidorah just didn't know that they fled.

Still when has Godzilla ever fled before, for all we know he stood his ground against Ghidorah and then pulled Rodan to safety.