Godzilla vs. Gomora

[Legion1979]

That result being Godzilla healed the wound near instantly due to his super cellular regeneration (which Toho themselves said Godzilla has).

Does anyone in the movie actually SAY this is what happened? Or is everyone just assuming that because Toho says this version has regeneration.

I f@cking hate regeneration, btw. But you guys know that.

[RedZillaKing]

No one says it. But its displayed so.... I mean no one says "Hey look guys, he's firing his beam!" But we see him doing it. If Toho hadn't said he had super Regen then you'd have a case for it being a movie mistake.

I think its silly to "hate" Regen. It's been an integral part of the character you love since the 80s. You might as well hate his beam or roar while you're at it.

[GojiFan]

Does anyone in the movie actually SAY this is what happened? Or is everyone just assuming that because Toho says this version has regeneration.

No one said SG could zap people with his hands, but it happened. No one said Destroyah could chop people with a laser horn, but it happened. This line of argument is just ridiculous. I don't see why you would argue against it when it is both displayed in the movie, and the people who made the film says he has it.

[Godzilla 2000]

I think its silly to "hate" Regen. It's been an integral part of the character you love since the 80s. You might as well hate his beam or roar while you're at it.

No, it hasnt. That is a complete load of pure, grade A, freshly made, bullshit.

Regen has NEVER played a part in the plot or changed the tide of a battle with the exception of G2K (in 1999).

Regeneration is just a way of explaining why the suits can magically fix themselves. THAT IS IT.

People in the FMs have blown this "meant as nothing, plays no part in the story" ability completely out of proportion, to the point where most matches now consist of "well, he has regen, so I can see him winning this," as if it's an actual power of his DESPITE the fact that it has never been addressed or displayed on-screen other than one or two flukes.

No one remembers Godzilla for his "ability" to magic away holes in his body in between shots. And if you do, you're remembering Godzilla for the wrong reasons.

[GojiFan]

Sigh...

You might have a point if it wasn't only the Godzillas (Minus Orga, SG, and Bio. Hey, sense a pattern there?) who had regen, and if the fans were the ones who decided they had it. Toho lists it as one of their powers, not us. Also, this particular Godzilla regenerates the tissue where the stinger was plunged in his stomach as he pulled it out, not in the next scene.

See the bold? That is the important part you keep missing. It HAS been important because Godzilla is the only Toho kaiju through all three series, besides the three who were derived from his DNA, to explicitly have been said by Toho to have regeneration.

You never bother to realize that Godzilla just magically healed his hand between movies when it was melted to the bone by Hedorah? You never realize in GMK he "came back" from nothing but a skeleton? You never realize in Tokyo S.O.S. that the gaping wound in his chest from the previous movie was almost completely healed? He has ALWAYS had regeneration, and it HAS played a part in every series.

I mean, seriously, I really don't know why you are so upset about this when you are just plain wrong about it.

[RedZillaKing]

No, it hasnt. That is a complete load of pure, grade A, freshly made, bullshit.

Wanna hear some bullshit? "It's a conspiracy! So what if Toho explicitly said that Godzilla has super regen? Clearly they're lying just to mess with us." Sorry. Godzilla has it, and so does every monster that shares his cells.

Regen has NEVER played a part in the plot or changed the tide of a battle with the exception of G2K (in 1999).

Thus it's clear that it doesn't exist.

Regeneration is just a way of explaining why the suits can magically fix themselves. THAT IS IT.

Well I'd certainly take the word of "God" over your word any day.

People in the FMs have blown this "meant as nothing, plays no part in the story" ability completely out of proportion, to the point where most matches now consist of "well, he has regen, so I can see him winning this," as if it's an actual power of his DESPITE the fact that it has never been addressed or displayed on-screen other than one or two flukes.

It is an actual power of his. You just have "regen envy" because Gomora doesn't have it. It won't turn the tide in every fight involving every incarnation of Godzilla, but Gira Goji's regen is so ridiculous that wounds heal in an instant. He's borderline unkillable. He was never in danger from Megaguirus. Not even from that energy blast which may be one of the most powerful in kaiju eiga (considering what powered it).

No one remembers Godzilla for his "ability" to magic away holes in his body in between shots. And if you do, you're remembering Godzilla for the wrong reasons.

So remembering that Godzilla has regen somehow makes it the #1 most important factor? It is an integral art of the character and as a result they made it a plot point in G2K. Do you know why it was a relatively major plot point in a Godzilla movie about Godzilla? Because Godzilla has it.

[Godzilla 2000]

Wanna hear some bullshit? "It's a conspiracy! So what if Toho explicitly said that Godzilla has super regen? Clearly they're lying just to mess with us." Sorry. Godzilla has it, and so does every monster that shares his cells.

Thus it's clear that it doesn't exist.

Never said that he didnt, just that people blow a simple explanation out of proportion.

Well I'd certainly take the word of "God" over your word any day.

So do you also believe that Gorosaurus was only 30 meters in DAM despite obviously being much bigger?

And yes, Toho has said that. Never corrected themselves either.

It is an actual power of his. You just have "regen envy" because Gomora doesn't have it.

I stopped reading here.

You are so far off the mark, dude. It's become clear you will not listen to what I'm saying.

Regen is bullshit. That's my opinion. Deal with it.

Goodbye.

[RedZillaKing]

Never said that he didnt, just that people blow a simple explanation out of proportion.

Well people believe what they see. Or don't see in this case. Cause we didn't see a wound when Godzilla pulled out the stinger. Regen.

So do you also believe that Gorosaurus was only 30 meters in DAM despite obviously being much bigger?

And yes, Toho has said that. Never corrected themselves either.

Actually there have never been DAM stats given. 35m is his King Kong Escapes height. Man, people sure do like to fall back on that little omission as if it somehow gives their argument weight.

I stopped reading here.

I doubt that.

You are so far off the mark, dude. It's become clear you will not listen to what I'm saying.

Regen is bullshit. That's my opinion. Deal with it.

Goodbye.

Your opinion which is contrary to Toho's (and in-film evidence). Uh huh. Bye bye now.

[Legion1979]

You never bother to realize that Godzilla just magically healed his hand between movies when it was melted to the bone by Hedorah? You never realize in GMK he "came back" from nothing but a skeleton? You never realize in Tokyo S.O.S. that the gaping wound in his chest from the previous movie was almost completely healed? He has ALWAYS had regeneration, and it HAS played a part in every series.

I really, really, really doubt anyone at Toho was thinking "regeneration" during the 1970s.

Godzilla vs Hedora generally works best when it's looked at as a stand alone experience. Most of the Showa movies don't really have continuity from film to film, and this is especially true in the films made between 1966 and 1973. I'm sure as far as Toho as concerned, Godzilla vs Gigan was a clean slate and Godzilla's "healing" his injuries from the previous film didn't need to be explained.

As far as I'm concerned, this regeneration bullshit was something far more recent that Toho anally decided to start using retroactively. I don't play revisionist garbage games like that.

[Godzilla165]

He had it during the Heisei era, and had during the millenium era. He didn't just aquire the ability all a sudden. Actually as a matter of fact, he had in the very first movie. Don't belive me? http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/godzilla54.htm

Saying that you hate regen, is really saying that you hate Godzilla, and other monsters that have the ability as well. Regeneration has been an ability that Godzilla has had all through his career, and its probaly never going away, so you can either accept it and move on, or sit here and complain about it until Godzilla retires permanantly.

[miguelnuva]

Why does everyone question the showa Godzilla timeline when the only thing that could attempt to throw off the timeline is DAM.

[Tomzilla]

I really, really, really doubt anyone at Toho was thinking "regeneration" during the 1970s.

What makes you think that? The fact they gave us official stats, including super regeneration, is proof they were thinking about it.

Why not chalk up Godzilla's Atomic Breath as some fan-theory? That'd be ridiculous, right? That about sums up your argument.

I don't play revisionist garbage games like that.

Except you do. When you ignore film evidence and official stats to suit your own argument, you're not only playing this revisionist game, you're rewriting it.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

I think what Legion means that regen was a concept invented in 1989 and later retconned to fit the Showa movies, hence he doesn't feel it's relevant as regen was not taken into acount when Tsuburaya, Nakano, Honda and Fukuda were organising the monster battles.

For the record, I do take regen into account. But people give it too much credit, as though regen suddenly makes Godzilla invulnerable.

[Godzilla165]

Every time Godzilla either dies, or is defeated in some way, he always comes back. It may take mere minutes, or years but he always comes back unless he is blown up from within (even though in GMK he still wasn't technically dead, even though it was just for symbolism, it still needs to be taken into account). So yeah, Godzilla is pretty much invulnerable unless he melts down, or if another oxygen destroyer is created (two things which probally won't happen for a very long time or ever for that matter).

[RedZillaKing]

For the record, I do take regen into account. But people give it too much credit, as though regen suddenly makes Godzilla invulnerable.

Most of the time I would agree. It takes a whole hell of a lot to even stun THIS Godzilla though. Easily the hardiest and most durable Godzilla yet. Except maybe FW Goji. And GMK Godzilla.

[Carthormerr]

as though regen suddenly makes Godzilla invulnerable.

Ummm, it pretty much does. Have you actually watched any of the movies?

[Mincecraft]

as though regen suddenly makes Godzilla invulnerable.

Ummm, it pretty much does. Have you actually watched any of the movies?

You could say it makes him invincible to most attacks. Lets say he had his hand dissolved by Hedorah again or a large patch of skin was burnt off, he could recover. I dont know much about Gomora so I cant speak for him there.

[Godzilla 2000]

He had it during the Heisei era, and had during the millenium era. He didn't just aquire the ability all a sudden. Actually as a matter of fact, he had in the very first movie. Don't belive me? http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/godzilla54.htm

Saying that you hate regen, is really saying that you hate Godzilla, and other monsters that have the ability as well. Regeneration has been an ability that Godzilla has had all through his career, and its probaly never going away, so you can either accept it and move on, or sit here and complain about it until Godzilla retires permanantly.

This made my brain hurt from how stupid it was.

[Godzilla165]

He had it during the Heisei era, and had during the millenium era. He didn't just aquire the ability all a sudden. Actually as a matter of fact, he had in the very first movie. Don't belive me? http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/godzilla54.htm

Saying that you hate regen, is really saying that you hate Godzilla, and other monsters that have the ability as well. Regeneration has been an ability that Godzilla has had all through his career, and its probaly never going away, so you can either accept it and move on, or sit here and complain about it until Godzilla retires permanantly.

This made my brain hurt from how stupid it was.

And tell me the many reasons of why my comment was stupid. You must not have understood anything I said, so let me say it again using smaller words . Regen has been a part of Godzilla since the first movie, and has been a big part of the character ever since. So saying that you hate regen, is basically sayng that you hate the character in a whole. Plus, whether it be an "excuse" for the suit to "magically" repair itself, or whether it be cgi like in LP's Godzilla movie being made... Regeneration will always be apart of the character no matter if Godzilla is a suit, or is in cgi. Did you get that? Or are you just laughably stubborn and arrogant for your own good ? Tell me something, if for instance Gomora (the monster that you appear to worship ), didn't have his "blow you up from the inside" power, and didn't have his "extreme agility" would you dislike him as well?

[62JackC]

I think he meant when you said "Saying that you hate regen, is really saying that you hate Godzilla, and other monsters that have the ability as well." Saying you hate regen means you hate regen not Godzilla.