Spacegodzilla vs Destoroyah

[miguelnuva]

...Nobody said that..[/quote]

Maybe no one in this topic but it's been stated several times. PopinPicks you just said Destroyer would have beat Godzilla if he didn't start meltdown.[/quote]

I never said it was a one sided battle though [/quote]

I know you never said it was one sided their are others on the board that said it was one sided.

[Tomzilla]

Except it isn't a theory whether or not the Horn Katana even exists.

Quit backpedaling.

You said: "Your most powerful ray can blow chunks out of the kaiju that is killing you but you never use it?"

Yes, SpaceGodzilla's most powerful ray can and has done that. 'Why doesn't he use it all the time then?' is what you were getting at. The same can be said about why Destoroyah neglected to use his Horn Katana all the time.

There are many reasons. Negligence, overconfidence, necessity, energy dependence, etc... These kaiju, while smart as far as kaiju go, aren't smart by our standards. Why they did or didn't do this is irrelevant when it comes down to whether or not they can.

And you have no evidence backing up a supposed stronger corona beam. The color, size, shape, charge time, etc did not change in the slightest.

Once again you backpedal. Newsflash, poking holes in my theory doesn't make you right. It's safe to say your theory has been squashed since you can't provide evidence.

My theory, on the other hand, is loaded with evidence.

Examples-

1) SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam struck Godzilla's shoulder. This blast was so much stronger than the other Corona Beams because it not only wounded Godzilla, it floored him and kept him immobile for a few minutes.

2) 1:12:34 into the movie, SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam hit MOGUERA, and floored the 160,000-ton robot. MOGUERA didn't move for hours, since he was brought down when the skies were blue, and didn't retreat 'til it was well after dark. Last time I checked, the Corona Beam didn't always do this, which means this Corona Beam was packing more energy.

3) 1:15:27 into the movie, SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam brings Godzilla down. Godzilla stays down long enough for SpaceGodzilla to lift him up and throw him with his Gravity Tornado. Either Godzilla remained powerless during this time because the Corona Beam incapacitated him or the Gravity Tornado had paralyzing effects. Opinions vary.

4) SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam strikes MOGUERA's cone-shaped hand so hard, it tears the arm completely off. I'll go into more detail about this one in a moment.

Anyway, it's common sense. SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beams usually didn't floor Godzilla or MOGUERA. You could argue it's because SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beams weren't quick bursts like the other instances. That's great, it only proves my point because... MORE ENERGY WAS BEING USED.

Which is why I referred to it as a freak instance earlier in this thread, because the corona beam never came close to dealing that much damage again to Godzilla.

I guess that makes Destoroyah's Horn Katana a freak instance too, because it never was used again and the damage it inflicted on Godzilla varied even in the span of two swipes.

Besides, the movie clearly shows SG rotating the corona beam around the arm:

Here we see the corona beam come in from the right side, bypassing the cone all together.

Now here it starts rotating. It changes it's trajectory and goes over the open portion of the cone.

Time to debunk this.



^ Here we see SpaceGodzilla firing his 'Hyper Corona Beam'. Notice how his horn is actually crackling with energy? If I'm not mistaken, that's the first time it's ever looked like that. It looks like that because it's funneling more energy into the Corona Beam.



^ Here we see the Corona Beam stopping right in front of MOGUERA's cone-shaped hand, which is opened.




^ Notice the sparks? They're shooting out of MOGUERA's cone-hand, not behind it. The top picture doesn't show the Corona Beam swerving behind the cone to strike the joint like GojiFan believes. No, the white-hot tip of the Corona Beam hasn't even 'regrown' yet. It regrows in time in the bottom picture, which we see once again striking the cone-hand dead on. Sparks ONCE AGAIN shoot out of the cone-hand, which should tell everyone here it was hit by the Corona Beam.

Just in case some of you aren't convinced...



^ Next we see a different angle taken immediately after. See how the sparks aren't shooting out of the joint which is, y'know, the spot that's about to be snapped off like a twig? Notice how they're nowhere near it?



^ Finally, we see the arm get blown off.

In this entire scene, MOGUERA's joint--the part that was ripped off--was never hit directly by the Corona Beam. What does this mean? It means the Corona Beam hit MOGUERA's hand so freakin' hard, it made his arm come flying off because it packed so much more force and energy than usual. This is why I called it the 'Hyper Corona Beam'.

You know why I don't believe you? Because SG had more energy when he fought Godzilla the second time and we never see a beam of that strength used against him again.

So then by your logic, since we never saw Destoroyah's Oxygen Destroyer Beam floor Godzilla again, since it only happened once, we should assume it'd never happen more than once in this match up. Going once step further, since Destoroyah only used his Horn Katana twice, we should assume he'd never bother to use it again, especially if it didn't inflict any fatal injuries on SpaceGodzilla.

That logic sucks.

[Eunectes]

Tomzilla won this thread.

SpaceGodzilla would win but Destroyah would pack a really hard fight.

[RedZillaKing]

Yeah, I agree. I made extensive notes as I rewatched both films today, but a few of the things Tom said took the wind outta my sails.

[Living Corpse]

Just wanna know what doe light up at the different charge levels. Obviously the lowest one just has his spines light up and maybe his shoulder crystals.

[Gyaos]

^ Notice the sparks? They're shooting out of MOGUERA's cone-hand, not behind it. The top picture doesn't show the Corona Beam swerving behind the cone to strike the joint like GojiFan believes. No, the white-hot tip of the Corona Beam hasn't even 'regrown' yet. It regrows in time in the bottom picture, which we see once again striking the cone-hand dead on. Sparks ONCE AGAIN shoot out of the cone-hand, which should tell everyone here it was hit by the Corona Beam.

Im sorry, but that does NOT look like it's hitting the cone itself. That looks more like behind and to the side.

I still fail to see how the Corona Beam is going to crack open Destroyah's ridiculously hard shell that withstod several blasts from a powered-up Godzilla's atomic ray. Yes, the Red beam is not as powerful as the legit Spiral ray but its more powerful than the blue beam, atleast as powerful as a normal Corona Ray. With that said, Spacegodzilla is going to have to pump out a ton of these supposed "Hyper Spiral Rays" to do any sereous damage. Oh yeah, then theres the whole 1190+ Spiral ray Destroyah was tanking and ultimatly made him flee. The Corona Ray doesnt pack enough damage per-hit to damage Destroyah that much. I want to bring up the Rocket Launcher vs Sniper Rifle argument but honestly Ive mentioned that far too much already.

[Kaiju-King42]

I'm still not convinced about this "hyper corona beam" nonsense.

Moguera lost his arm because Spacegodzilla's crystals scraped against them earlier in the movie. Really, Moguera is not the most durable of robots. As for the sparkly forehead crystal, remember that he was leaking energy when his crystals were destroyed? I am willing to bet that that is what was happening with forhead crystal. If he was losing energy, why would he use a more powerful corona beam? That logic makes no sense whatsoever.

Besides, even if the hyper corona beam did exist, you have to remember that Destoroyah took three super spiral rays and remain intact. It's not like a so called hyper corona beam could do anything to him. (Unless t hit him in the open floral pattern.)

[GojiFan]

Quit backpedaling.

You said: "Your most powerful ray can blow chunks out of the kaiju that is killing you but you never use it?"

Yes, SpaceGodzilla's most powerful ray can and has done that. 'Why doesn't he use it all the time then?' is what you were getting at. The same can be said about why Destoroyah neglected to use his Horn Katana all the time.

Well for one, Destroyah's horn katana is a close range weapon. The corona ray is not. Destroyah was up close and personal two times with Godzilla. He used it during the second encounter. SG shot dozens of rays through out the movie and you have two instances where they supposedly caused more damage then normal. The difference in probability of Destroyah using the horn katana when in range is far, far higher than the "hyper corona beam".

There are many reasons. Negligence, overconfidence, necessity, energy dependence, etc... These kaiju, while smart as far as kaiju go, aren't smart by our standards. Why they did or didn't do this is irrelevant when it comes down to whether or not they can.

Actually, whether they did or didn't IS relevant. In the case of SG, if he does have a "hyper corona beam" then the very fact he used it once when he had no intention of killing Godzilla and the other after he had basically just lost the fight is extremely important. It shows SG doesn't grasp the knowledge of when to use his most powerful beam. Destroyah, as I mentioned earlier, used the Horn Katana in one of his two T&C encounters. More importantly, he didn't wait until it was too late.

1) SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam struck Godzilla's shoulder. This blast was so much stronger than the other Corona Beams because it not only wounded Godzilla, it floored him and kept him immobile for a few minutes.

And failed to ever cause this much damage again. So as I said earlier, the beam hitting the same area of the shoulder multiple times caused that reaction, or SG is the world's dumbest kaiju for not understanding when to use his most powerful beam. Either scenario does not bode well for SG.

2) 1:12:34 into the movie, SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam hit MOGUERA, and floored the 160,000-ton robot. MOGUERA didn't move for hours, since he was brought down when the skies were blue, and didn't retreat 'til it was well after dark. Last time I checked, the Corona Beam didn't always do this, which means this Corona Beam was packing more energy.

Really Tom? The sky was blue when MOGUERA first showed up. By the time where the corona beam made MOGUERA topple over, the skies were grey. When MOGUERA proceeded to fly away, they were still grey. And you are also forgetting that MOGUERA only remained down because the pilots got knocked out. The machine proceeded to fly away as soon as they all came to.

This is just after SG knocked over MOGUERA

And this is just after MOGUERA lifted off the ground and started flying away

3) 1:15:27 into the movie, SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam brings Godzilla down. Godzilla stays down long enough for SpaceGodzilla to lift him up and throw him with his Gravity Tornado. Either Godzilla remained powerless during this time because the Corona Beam incapacitated him or the Gravity Tornado had paralyzing effects. Opinions vary.

Well seeing as Godzilla had a small window of a whole 10 seconds before SG started using his gravity tornado, I would say THAT is what kept him from recovering. That idea is reinforced by the complete lack of motion in Godzilla's body as he is floating around.

For the record, I acknowledged this part earlier. What you conveniently left out was the part just before the two beams knocked over Godzilla. SG hit Godzilla with an additional four more Corona beams and several energy slaps.

I guess that makes Destoroyah's Horn Katana a freak instance too, because it never was used again and the damage it inflicted on Godzilla varied even in the span of two swipes.

I addressed this earlier. Also a completely ridiculous argument, as the Horn Katana is listed by Toho as an ability and was clearly used while the beam you are arguing in favor of existing is... not so much of either.

^ Here we see SpaceGodzilla firing his 'Hyper Corona Beam'. Notice how his horn is actually crackling with energy? If I'm not mistaken, that's the first time it's ever looked like that. It looks like that because it's funneling more energy into the Corona Beam.

Or maybe since his shoulder crystal just exploded, he was having trouble funneling his energy correctly. Or it is just another of Toho's seemingly random special effects. There are times through out the movie where neither the shoulder crystals or the crest light up. An example is the scene where SG knocks over Godzilla when he arrives at the final battle. Another example is when SG goes into the air. He shoots nine or ten beams at Godzilla with at least six or seven hitting (hard to tell with the camera view it gives you). In that particular instance, both his crest and shoulder crystals lit up before each beam, yet they did not do much at all to Godzilla.

^ Notice the sparks? They're shooting out of MOGUERA's cone-hand, not behind it. The top picture doesn't show the Corona Beam swerving behind the cone to strike the joint like GojiFan believes. No, the white-hot tip of the Corona Beam hasn't even 'regrown' yet. It regrows in time in the bottom picture, which we see once again striking the cone-hand dead on. Sparks ONCE AGAIN shoot out of the cone-hand, which should tell everyone here it was hit by the Corona Beam.

Except in the first picture of this series, no sparks have been made yet. In the second picture, you can no longer see the tip because it is behind the open cone. You can just compare the tip of the beam in the second picture to where the top half of the cone is in the first picture. It neatly goes where? Right behind the open cone.

^ Next we see a different angle taken immediately after. See how the sparks aren't shooting out of the joint which is, y'know, the spot that's about to be snapped off like a twig? Notice how they're nowhere near it?



^ Finally, we see the arm get blown off.

I particularly like how there is no damage at all to the cone. Are you trying to tell me that a beam capable of ripping off MOGUERA's arm can't do a single bit of damage to the piece it actually hit? Especially considering a loaded SGM was sitting inside of the cone?

So then by your logic, since we never saw Destoroyah's Oxygen Destroyer Beam floor Godzilla again, since it only happened once, we should assume it'd never happen more than once in this match up. Going once step further, since Destoroyah only used his Horn Katana twice, we should assume he'd never bother to use it again, especially if it didn't inflict any fatal injuries on SpaceGodzilla.

Funny, considering Destroyah's shot that knocked Godzilla over hit him for an extended period of time (something I mentioned).

It was also used a whopping six times the entire movie when Destroyah was in his final form. One hit the ground in front of Godzilla. The next hit Godzilla and disoriented/blinded/whatever'd him where he had no ability to even shoot a beam at the flying crab that proceeded to crash into him. The next floored Godzilla. The next was used when he was already on the ground. The next hit him briefly in the back. The final one was also a brief hit to the shoulder as Destroyah was lining up his fly-by-tail-grab maneuver.

Do I really need to count how many times SG shot his beam during the movie? I am fairly confidant it was a lot more than six. If we just go by mere ratios, Destroyah has 1/6 impressive showings to SG's like 4/40. Seems to me the chances of Destroyah using his beam more effectively seems greater.

I will ask you this Tom. Say this so called "hyper corona ray" exists. SG still rarely used it. Destroyah tanked multiple shots from what is universally agreed to be the strongest beam in the Heisei Godzilla series (obviously excluding the ROM movies for this comparison). How is this ray he rarely used going to suddenly give SG the advantage he needs when a stronger beam hitting him multiple times in a drastically shorter period failed to even rid Destroyah of flight?

[Darkness]

Okay, hold the phone... There is now a theory that SpaceGodzilla can charge his Corona Beam with more power to deal more damage?... Jeez. SpaceGodzilla is becoming the Broly of the Godzilla fandom. And regarding MOGUERA's arm getting severed, they'd been fighting with SG for several hours, during which MOGUERA had taken a good deal of damage. It would make sense for something to break off after fighting for so long.

[RedZillaKing]

Some notes on the Corona Beam...

http://www.crackle.com/c/Godzilla_vs._SpaceGodzilla

SPACEGODZILLA
Battle 1: Birth Island
@00:39:11- SG fires two CBs in quick succession. It's too much for Goji, who loses his footing but is still able to retaliate due to his chronic awesomitis. Still it's a feat for SG as it wasn't the impact that caused Goji to fall, but the lasting after effects of the beam on the Monster King.

@00:40:12- SG hits Goji with three beams in relatively rapid succession. The effect of this is a large, gaping wound on Goji's left shoulder. Goji is also rendered helpless to stop SG from imprisoning Little Godzilla in the crystals. He just writhes there on the ground. It's obvious that there is more of an effect on Goji than can be visibly seen. He took similar, deeper wounds from Biollante's vine and it didn't disable him in this manner.

Battle 2: Fukuoka
@01:14:56- SG hits Goji twice with the CB and staggers him.

@01:15:03- Goji, still reeling in pain from the first blasts, is hit by two more CBs. Again he barely stays on his feet. Every hit so far has been significant.

@01:15:15- After using the electric slaps (which seem to do nothing) to create distance SG hits Goji with two Corona Beams that disable him. He is then flung by the grav. tornadoes into a building. However, unlike Little Godzilla, he doesn't so much as kick one leg. Why, you ask? Because he was disabled still from the two Coronas that toppled him.

@01:16:56- SG begins manipulating his crystals making them fly into the sky. While he is doing this and levitating he fires a myriad of Corona Beams. What's interesting about this scene is that this is the first time Goji is unaffected by the CBs. The first and second one hurt and effect him just like the others.. But then SG's beams seem to get weaker and less accurate! He misses twice! He even hits his own crystals! What does this mean, exactly? It seems to lend credence to my theory that SG has difficulty multitasking. Also, the lessening effect of the CBs seem to agree with the theory of varying beam strengths. Interesting to note is SG's failure to hit Goji multile times in the same spot.

@01:21:20- SG fires various Corona beams in a very haphazard manner. Godzilla is hit and screams in pain but it's obvious that the beams aren't affecting him greatly. Add to that the fact that his aim is suffering and there's clearly outside forces at work.

@01:23:37- Although Goji is dead set on toppling Fukuoka tower, two CBs interrupt him and halt his efforts. An unaffected monster would've continued but Godzilla is once again staggered and knocked back hundreds of feet. It seems SG was concentrating his power and aim fully on these blasts as they're dead on and very powerful. Fortunately for Godzilla his backup draws the space monster's attention.

A few things:

1) There do seem to be different levels of power for different Corona Beams. Anyone who actually analyzes the fights can see that. However, the power level seems to be directly related to the level of concentration SG focuses on a target. Multiple targets throw his concentration off to an embarassing degree. Knowing this, Dessy's swarming strategy seems more viable.

2) SG is a durable son of a bitch. He took multiple assaults from Moguera.... A superweapon that toppled Godzilla with a glancing blow. He also has regen that seems to be on par with Goji himself. Unfortunately his regen does not extend to his main power source....

3) SG's shoulder crystals do not regenerate and are a major weak point. A Laser Horn slash could go a long way toward destroying one if SG allows Destoroyah to get close. And once those things are gone he dies.

4) SG is very cocky. The only time he inflicted major damage was on Birth Island. Merely, I'd wager, to show Godzilla that he could kill him. The rest of the film SG does not repeat these killer tactics instead focusing on torturing Goji.... Until things turn around. Unfortunately for SG he makes a classic super villain mistake: He doesn't kill his opponent, instead being content to show off with a lot of useless TK tricks until the advantage is ultimately taken from him.

5) Being hit by a Corona beam is akin to being smashed by a baseball bat. Each hit of a normal Corona Beam staggers and causes major pain to Goji. It's very much like he's being hit by a kaiju sized baseball bat. There's a rather apparent internal effect each time.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Is Godzilla's skin getting punctured by the Corona Beam really something to be impressed over? RZK said it himself, throughout the Heisei series Godzilla's hide was punctured again and again. The Corona Beam is overrated as hell. It managed to punch through Godzilla's hide and make a huge wound? So what. It didn't stop the King from healing the wound in mere seconds. Destoroyah's hide is much tougher then Godzilla's and it's safe to say the Corona Beams would not punch through it.

[Tomzilla]

Actually, whether they did or didn't IS relevant. In the case of SG, if he does have a "hyper corona beam" then the very fact he used it once when he had no intention of killing Godzilla and the other after he had basically just lost the fight is extremely important. It shows SG doesn't grasp the knowledge of when to use his most powerful beam. Destroyah, as I mentioned earlier, used the Horn Katana in one of his two T&C encounters. More importantly, he didn't wait until it was too late.

Except SpaceGodzilla clearly has knowledge on when to use his more powerful Corona Beams. When he used it on Godzilla, it left him writhing on the ground for a few minutes. That gave SpaceGodzilla enough time to be a dick by imprisoning Little Godzilla. Why SpaceGodzilla flew off afterwards is because he needed more energy, so he sought after Fukuoka Tower. The second and third time involved MOGUERA getting floored and when MOGUERA lost its arm, which gave SG a serious advantage.

I'll be the first to admit SpaceGodzilla's overconfidence is what got him killed and it could screw him over in this fight. But that's not what we've debating about.

And failed to ever cause this much damage again. So as I said earlier, the beam hitting the same area of the shoulder multiple times caused that reaction, or SG is the world's dumbest kaiju for not understanding when to use his most powerful beam. Either scenario does not bode well for SG.

Since you haven't proven multiple strikes weakened Godzilla's shoulder, we can safely say that reason is off the table. Since SpaceGodzilla clearly isn't the world's dumbest kaiju and actually did use his Corona Beams efficiently, we can rule that reason out too.

Really Tom? The sky was blue when MOGUERA first showed up. By the time where the corona beam made MOGUERA topple over, the skies were grey. When MOGUERA proceeded to fly away, they were still grey. And you are also forgetting that MOGUERA only remained down because the pilots got knocked out. The machine proceeded to fly away as soon as they all came to.

Really? Nitpicking about the sky not being blue is your counterargument? GojiFan, exactly how does that rebuke SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beams clearly varying in strength at all? SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beams floored MOGUERA's 160,000-ton body. If it's really because MOGUERA sustained multiple strikes prior, why isn't there a pattern? Why didn't MOGUERA fall after getting hit every other time?

For the record, I acknowledged this part earlier. What you conveniently left out was the part just before the two beams knocked over Godzilla. SG hit Godzilla with an additional four more Corona beams and several energy slaps.

Again with the multiple strikes being the reason why Godzilla went down? Where's your proof? Godzilla has super regeneration. It's not like Godzilla gets weaker every time he sustains a hit. The only exception is if the attacks in question are ridiculously powerful. I suppose I should feel flattered you think the Corona Beams are more powerful than even I'm giving them credit for.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that your logic is inherently flawed. It's just been misplaced.

Or maybe since his shoulder crystal just exploded, he was having trouble funneling his energy correctly. Or it is just another of Toho's seemingly random special effects.

I admit these are all valid possibilities. Especially the second option you listed.

Except in the first picture of this series, no sparks have been made yet.

Never claimed sparks were being made in the first picture of this series. It's there to show where MOGUERA's cone-hand is. That way when you see the sparks emerging, you can compare, and see where they're coming from.

In the second picture, you can no longer see the tip because it is behind the open cone. You can just compare the tip of the beam in the second picture to where the top half of the cone is in the first picture. It neatly goes where? Right behind the open cone.

Okay, I'll entertain this for a second because it doesn't really hurt my argument.

Let's say it did go behind the cone. Even if it did, you have no evidence it slashed apart the part of the arm that was severed. We never see the Corona Beam slicing through the joint. You have no case.

I particularly like how there is no damage at all to the cone. Are you trying to tell me that a beam capable of ripping off MOGUERA's arm can't do a single bit of damage to the piece it actually hit? Especially considering a loaded SGM was sitting inside of the cone?

I particularly like this strawman of yours. It really does make my argument look good in comparison.

It doesn't matter why the SGM didn't explode. What matters is I'm right; the Corona Beam clearly hit MOGUERA's cone-hand, which is backed by empirical evidence (see the screen shots and, more importantly, THE FILM), and it hit it so hard the arm was blasted off. This is even more obvious because the cone-hand was thrown upwards to the side, which wouldn't have happened if all the Corona Beam did was slice through the joint near the elbow.

All this proves SpaceGodzilla can and has made his Corona Beams stronger.

Do I really need to count how many times SG shot his beam during the movie? I am fairly confidant it was a lot more than six. If we just go by mere ratios, Destroyah has 1/6 impressive showings to SG's like 4/40. Seems to me the chances of Destroyah using his beam more effectively seems greater.

That doesn't even make sense. All you've proven is SpaceGodzilla spams his beam more, which doesn't really help Destoroyah at all.

I will ask you this Tom. Say this so called "hyper corona ray" exists. SG still rarely used it. Destroyah tanked multiple shots from what is universally agreed to be the strongest beam in the Heisei Godzilla series (obviously excluding the ROM movies for this comparison). How is this ray he rarely used going to suddenly give SG the advantage he needs when a stronger beam hitting him multiple times in a drastically shorter period failed to even rid Destroyah of flight?

If that's really what's been bothering you, you should've asked.

All I've been doing is trying to help you realize SpaceGodzilla's Corona Beam varies in strength, like many other kaiju energy attacks. That's all. As I mentioned in my first post, this fight will last for days, possibly even weeks. That's another way of me admitting the Corona Beam has nothing on Meltdown Godzilla's Spiral Blasts. Even if SpaceGodzilla supercharges a Corona Beam here and blows off one of Destoroyah's limbs there, it won't be enough--at least not initially.

But based on how much SG spams his Corona Beams, how limitless his energy source is, and how Destoroyah seldom uses his more powerful attacks, SG will have plenty of opportunities to use those stronger Corona Beams. I believe it'd eventually take a serious toll on Destoroyah's energy. I don't believe he can breakdown and reform forever.

When all is said and done, it's a very close fight, and both kaiju have what it takes to walk away the victor. I just happen to lean towards SpaceGodzilla.

[RedZillaKing]

Is Godzilla's skin getting punctured by the Corona Beam really something to be impressed over?

Not really. But that's not what impresses me about the CB. It's never about the hide piercing with Goji. Biollante did it and the Monster King barely missed a beat despite having his hide, flesh, and bone being pierced. The Laser Horn? All it did was slice through him. It didn't halt his progress in the least.

Almost every CB nearly knocked Goji over and sent him reeling. Several times multiple hits disabled him. For a beam that doesn't punch through his hide to have that kind of effect, it has to deal damage in an entirely different way.

That being said I'm leaning more toward 50/50 after re-viewing the films. However, I still believe that the CB and the less powerful red beam that Goji hits Dessy with are around the same power level. Therefore I don't see breaching Dessy's hide being that much of an issue for several consecutive CBs.

[Living Corpse]

Spacegodzilla's Corona Beam seems to have the same secondary effect that Hedorah's Crimson Eye beam did. It's not power, almost 100% accuracy or even the "digging stinger" that's the threat.

No it's pain. Spacegodzilla's and Hedorah's beams are made to inflect stun worthy pain.

[RedZillaKing]

Yes exactly. Now here's the question... How will they effect the individual organisms that make up Dessy's body? It's not like D was immune to pain...

The thing about Destoroyah that will make this one long friggin' fight is his ability to completely renew his body.

[Living Corpse]

Yes exactly. Now here's the question... How will they effect the individual organisms that make up Dessy's body? It's not like D was immune to pain...

The thing about Destoroyah that will make this one long friggin' fight is his ability to completely renew his body.

This is part of why I don't buy the whole Spacegodzilla can't make Destroyah retreat bit. Despite being originally a bunch of separate life forms the film shows that once combined the whole group reacts to pain on the same level as a creature that's always been mutli cell instead of the rest of mass just ignoring it like a lump of single cell life forms. The fact Godzilla made him retreat even proves this. Hell when combined it goes out of it's way to form organs that a single cell creature would not need instead of just being a simple giant blob of it's microscopic from.


Now make no mistake, I'm sure this could go either way. Just because one side can win doesn't mean he will win. I'm still certain that this could go either way. Destroayh has the upper hand but that doesn't mean Spacegodzilla is completely out of his league.

We've had underdogs find a way before, stranger things have happened. Hell Godzilla himself is proof of this. He may be one of the strongest monsters out there but there are still a few monsters way more powerful then him and yet he still finds a way (most of the time, even the king takes his losses).

[Kaiju-King42]

I don't mean to sound like an over confidant dick, but can someone please provide me a scenario where Spacegodzilla can beat Destoroyah? I honestly still can't see it. Destoroyah's durability is too much, and none of SG's weapons will be putting him down. (Although the corona beam is the best chance.)

I know I'm sounding silly here, but Spacegodzilla and Destoroyah are two kaiju who's fights I have practically memorized, and I still have no idea what SG could do to beat Destoroyah. And Destoroyah on the other hand has a lot of things going for him. The aggregate swarm could wreck havoc of the crystal fortress it's self, the laser horn could wreck havoc on the shoulder crystals, Dessy could fly right up to SG like he loves to do and initiate close combat, while SG prefers long range combat, and once the crystal fortress and/or the shoulder crystals are out of the way, SG will be weakened, with not enough energy to regenerate fast enough, resulting in his death or retreat.

[RedZillaKing]

I don't mean to sound like an over confidant dick, but can someone please provide me a scenario where Spacegodzilla can beat Destoroyah? I honestly still can't see it. Destoroyah's durability is too much, and none of SG's weapons will be putting him down. (Although the corona beam is the best chance.)

You haven't been paying attention have you? Anyone who considers this one sided is underestimating either monster.... And is entirely biased.

And Destoroyah on the other hand has a lot of things going for him. The aggregate swarm could wreck havoc of the crystal fortress it's self,

But why would they? What makes you think that they'd even think of attacking the crystals? When did Dessy ever show anything but predatory instinct? I've only heard instances of him using his natural weapons effectively. I actually laughed out loud when someone brought up the fact that Dessy killed Junior as a sign of sadistic intelligence. Funny, when a crocodile kills a young hippo I've never heard the documentary's narrator say "The crocodile. Never since has nature produced such an intelligent, sadistic bastard. Whatta dick."

the laser horn could wreck havoc on the shoulder crystals,

True. However.... who's to say the shield would allow this or that the shoulder crystals wouldn't absorb the energy? Honestly only the SGMs damaged the shoulder crystals.

This is something Dessy could fly right up to SG like he loves to do and initiate close combat, while SG prefers long range combat,

Dessy's wings are a weak point. They were the first things to give in to the freezer weapons. I could see SG Corona blasting him out of the sky. Besides... Why would SG stay on the ground and wait to be attacked?

and once the crystal fortress and/or the shoulder crystals are out of the way, SG will be weakened, with not enough energy to regenerate fast enough, resulting in his death or retreat.

How will the crystal fortress be out of the way exactly? Stop imaging things. One thing you're right about, though... If those shoulders crystals are both somehow destroyed this fight would be over.

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Destoroyah killed Junior for revenge, not predatory instinct.

[miguelnuva]

Destoroyah killed Junior for revenge, not predatory instinct.

Okay who didn't understand this?