Godzilla '94 vs. Legion

[Inferno Rodan]

If by 'barely managed to absorb fireballs' you mean after having her arms blown off, which in turn weakened her shield, you'd be correct. Otherwise, Legion's shield would stop Godzilla's ray just fine.

The way Legion's shield works is really interesting. Legion's arms fire electrical energies, focusing them into one spot, where they 'catch' the projectile, contain it (they also contain the explosion itself, too), and shrink it down into a puff of smoke. This Godzilla rarely fires longer than a few seconds. He prefers quick bursts, hence why he's regarded as a beam spammer. All he's going to do is make Legion's shield look brighter.

Legion's shield would only work against projectiles. The very fact that it "catches" them like you explained and has to reform after each hit would render it useless against a beam. Gamera's fireballs are like baseballs. Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose. The latter can't simply be "caught" regardless of how short the burst is.

There's also the whole issue of Godzilla's beam traveling much faster than Gamera's fireballs. I doubt she'll even be able to form her shield before the beam reaches her in the first place.

Godzilla's ray would have to hit her tiny arms to damage her. If he chooses to hit anywhere else on her body, assuming her shield hadn't already rendered it ineffective, it won't do anything.

Helooooo clearly unarmored lower torso, which isn't even covered by the shield in the first place.

God, Gamera is such a dumbass that it's not even funny.

Legion, in a weakened state, withstood Gamera's Mana Beam for several seconds. So Godzilla's rays will do squat. He'd have to fire an onslaught of Spiral Blasts to pierce her exoskeleton.

This is explained by the fact that Legion's exoskeleton is made of silicon. Silicon has a stupidly high melting point. The Mana Beam is purely heat, with no explosive power at all. That's the only reason she survived it for so long.

After surviving reentry, Legion crashed in the beginning of the film. This is both an impressive strength and durability feat for one reason: after hitting the Earth, she 'slammed on the brakes', and slowed down without breaking apart. Not many kaiju can brag about crashing into the Earth, meteorite style, slow themselves down, and walk away without a scratch.

I still don't know where you're getting that she came through the atmosphere, as an adult, completely unprotected. The Legion Flowers launch pods into space, not adult Legion Queens.

And even if that was the case, such a ridiculous feat of durability is blatantly contradicted more than once later in the film.

[GojiFan]

Legion's energy beam is comparable in strength to the Plasma Grenade so that may be a problem as well.

...You have to be kidding me.

Since when has the plasma grenade ever done anything like THIS!

Watch the movie and you clearly see that Legion's beam did not cause an explosion like that. Her shooting her beam at a bunch of stuff that proceeded to go boom did though. Her beam never caused explosions that size when nothing was around to fuel a giant explosion.

f by 'barely managed to absorb fireballs' you mean after having her arms blown off, which in turn weakened her shield, you'd be correct. Otherwise, Legion's shield would stop Godzilla's ray just fine.

The way Legion's shield works is really interesting. Legion's arms fire electrical energies, focusing them into one spot, where they 'catch' the projectile, contain it (they also contain the explosion itself, too), and shrink it down into a puff of smoke. This Godzilla rarely fires longer than a few seconds. He prefers quick bursts, hence why he's regarded as a beam spammer. All he's going to do is make Legion's shield look brighter.

No, I meant her shield had to be replenished after each fireball. Godzilla likes to spam beams, and they are also continuous. Legion doesn't have the luck of facing multiple projectiles in this instance, but a continuous beam. What do you think is the harder feat to accomplish Tom: Keeping your balance after a few small bursts of a fire hose or a continuous stream from a fire hose (I realize either way you would probably fall over)?

Godzilla's ray would have to hit her tiny arms to damage her. If he chooses to hit anywhere else on her body, assuming her shield hadn't already rendered it ineffective, it won't do anything.

Legion, in a weakened state, withstood Gamera's Mana Beam for several seconds. So Godzilla's rays will do squat. He'd have to fire an onslaught of Spiral Blasts to pierce her exoskeleton

Her lower body seemed pretty easy to harm...

And as IR said, Silicon has a very high melting point. That is why the mana beam didn't seem as effective as it would against other kaiju.

[miguelnuva]

Godzilla takes this easily without the spiral beam. Legion got beat by Gamera who is equal to Hesiei v1 goji at beast.

[Grayshot954]

Godzilla takes this easily without the spiral beam. Legion got beat by Gamera who is equal to Hesiei v1 goji at beast.

While I disagree with you with the bolded (Best not Beast). Godzilla wins this but it will be a along, drawn out fight. Legion is no pushover and is not fragile. His shield should be able to take Godzilla's ray, it handled three fireballs over an elongated period just fine. Legion also has her symbiotic legion and durability. Speaking of which, I don't understand why everyone thinks the Gamera monsters are not durable. The Gyaos I understand and a good argument can be said for Irys but Gamera and Legion especially I can't comprehend. They took constant firepower and endured. Anyway,

Godzilla 7/10
Legion 3/10

[Kaiju-King42]

Watch the movie and you clearly see that Legion's beam did not cause an explosion like that. Her shooting her beam at a bunch of stuff that proceeded to go boom did though. Her beam never caused explosions that size when nothing was around to fuel a giant explosion.

Many other monsters have fired beams at a bunch of stuff that proceeds to go boom. Never, has the explosion been quite like what Legion can do.

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Her lower body seemed pretty easy to harm...

And as IR said, Silicon has a very high melting point. That is why the mana beam didn't seem as effective as it would against other kaiju.

The mana beam directly hit the so-called easy to harm lower body. And if silicon really does have such a high melting point, then why would Godzilla's beam do anything different?

This is explained by the fact that Legion's exoskeleton is made of silicon. Silicon has a stupidly high melting point. The Mana Beam is purely heat, with no explosive power at all. That's the only reason she survived it for so long.

It also has a huge amount of force. Remember that Gamera had to use all his strength to keep from falling over when he was firing, and it still pushed him backwards.

I still don't know where you're getting that she came through the atmosphere, as an adult, completely unprotected. The Legion Flowers launch pods into space, not adult Legion Queens.

And even if that was the case, such a ridiculous feat of durability is blatantly contradicted more than once later in the film.

What landed on Earth was the Legion Queen. Why would a pod slow it's self down as it hit the ground. Why would a pod start moving around underground. My guess is that the pod that the flower launches is a Legion Queen egg. It matures through space, and by the time it hits its destination, its an adult. It then produces Symbiotic Legions to build the next flower. Unless you want to have us believe that the Queen reached maturity in a few days, after magically appearing out of nowhere.

His shield should be able to take Godzilla's ray, it handled three fireballs over an elongated period just fine. Legion also has her symbiotic legion and durability. Speaking of which, I don't understand why everyone thinks the Gamera monsters are not durable. The Gyaos I understand and a good argument can be said for Irys but Gamera and Legion especially I can't comprehend. They took constant firepower and endured.

THANK YOU!

Gamera being "hurt" by missiles when he was dropped out of the sky was because the explosions from the missiles interfered with the chemical reaction that makes his jets work, thus causing him to lose control. When Irys caused Gamera to bleed all over the screen in their air battle, (which certainly hurt him a lot more than any missile) he didn't lose control at all.

And finally, I will repeat what I said before. remember Mothra and Battra? Regeneration doesn't = invincibility.

I'm not saying Godzilla is weak. That guy is going to put up one hell of a fight. But Legion is too much for just him to handle. (Unless he A. Gets military help. B. Pulls a move out of his ass like Gamera. C. All of the above.) Its not bad that he loses to her, Legion is often regarded by many as a top ten Kaiju in terms of power.

And I'm not voting for Legion because I like her better. If I did that then I would have been in the Godzilla camp this whole time, because I like HIM better.

Legion 7/10

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Her lower body seemed pretty easy to harm...

And as IR said, Silicon has a very high melting point. That is why the mana beam didn't seem as effective as it would against other kaiju.

The mana beam directly hit the so-called easy to harm lower body. And if silicon really does have such a high melting point, then why would Godzilla's beam do anything different?

Because Godzilla's Atomic Ray is probably much hotter then 3000 degrees, which is past Silicons melting point. His Atomic Ray is going to hurt Legion a helluva lot more then Gamera's Plasma Fire Balls.

[Kaiju-King42]

Because Godzilla's Atomic Ray is probably much hotter then 3000 degrees, which is past Silicons melting point. His Atomic Ray is going to hurt Legion a helluva lot more then Gamera's Plasma Fire Balls.

......You do know how hot that is right? Remember, this is Celsius, NOT Ferinheight.

[GojiFan]

Many other monsters have fired beams at a bunch of stuff that proceeds to go boom. Never, has the explosion been quite like what Legion can do.

FW Godzilla, Heisei V1 Godzilla, and GMK Godzilla spring to mind.

The mana beam directly hit the so-called easy to harm lower body. And if silicon really does have such a high melting point, then why would Godzilla's beam do anything different?

Her entire body is made of silicon, and the mana beam is basically incredibly hot... stuff. Whether the section was armored or not doesn't change the fact it is still made of silicon. Godzilla's beam is both hot AND explosive. It has also proven to be able to hurt very durable creatures.

It also has a huge amount of force. Remember that Gamera had to use all his strength to keep from falling over when he was firing, and it still pushed him backwards.

Gamera weighs 80 tons. Heisei Godzilla weighs 60,000 tons. Yes, Gamera did get pushed back. But the force isn't put in perspective until you look at the weight differences. Physical strength and weight get changed when comparing Daiei kaiju to Toho kaiju, but you don't scale up the feats of their beams/projectiles. The mana beam is still impressive, but it just flat out doesn't have much force behind it.

Gamera being "hurt" by missiles when he was dropped out of the sky was because the explosions from the missiles interfered with the chemical reaction that makes his jets work, thus causing him to lose control.

So a fiery explosion... the same thing he has absorbed when he is wounded to heal in the first movie... causes him to fall out of the sky like a brick. Right. The explosion knocked him out of the sky because Daiei kaiju are generally much frailer than Toho kaiju, especially the Heisei Toho kaiju.

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Because Godzilla's Atomic Ray is probably much hotter then 3000 degrees, which is past Silicons melting point. His Atomic Ray is going to hurt Legion a helluva lot more then Gamera's Plasma Fire Balls.

......You do know how hot that is right? Remember, this is Celsius, NOT Ferinheight.

Silicons melting point is 2570.0 °F or 1410.0 °C. Godzilla's Atomic Ray is probably hotter then that.

[Kaiju-King42]

Many other monsters have fired beams at a bunch of stuff that proceeds to go boom. Never, has the explosion been quite like what Legion can do.

FW Godzilla, Heisei V1 Godzilla, and GMK Godzilla spring to mind.

I forgot about Fw and GMK, but I don't remember Heisei V1 displaying anything like that. What scene are you referring to?

So a fiery explosion... the same thing he has absorbed when he is wounded to heal in the first movie... causes him to fall out of the sky like a brick. Right. The explosion knocked him out of the sky because Daiei kaiju are generally much frailer than Toho kaiju, especially the Heisei Toho kaiju.

So why is it that Gamera stays in the air when Irys sonic beams him? Its not the heat that causes him to lose control, its the kinetic energy.

Silicons melting point is 2570.0 °F or 1410.0 °C. Godzilla's Atomic Ray is probably hotter then that.

Okay. Just making sure you didn't have C and F mixed up.

[GojiFan]

I forgot about Fw and GMK, but I don't remember Heisei V1 displaying anything like that. What scene are you referring to?

Godzilla causes a pretty massive wall of fiery doom when he shoots a couple of tanks along the shore in Godzilla 1984. I can't remember the exact size, but I remember it being pretty big.

So why is it that Gamera stays in the air when Irys sonic beams him? Its not the heat that causes him to lose control, its the kinetic energy.

It is very likely that Gamera started to grow a resistance to the sonic beams. In the first movie he was injured pretty badly by them while in the third he took them like a champ.

[Kaiju-King42]

I forgot about Fw and GMK, but I don't remember Heisei V1 displaying anything like that. What scene are you referring to?

Godzilla causes a pretty massive wall of fiery doom when he shoots a couple of tanks along the shore in Godzilla 1984. I can't remember the exact size, but I remember it being pretty big.

So why is it that Gamera stays in the air when Irys sonic beams him? Its not the heat that causes him to lose control, its the kinetic energy.

It is very likely that Gamera started to grow a resistance to the sonic beams. In the first movie he was injured pretty badly by them while in the third he took them like a champ.

It was a big fire wall, but not that big.

As for the sonic beams, Irys's are stronger than the Gyaos. Irys's cut through Gamera's SHELL! The sonic beams from the Gyaos in the first movie gave him superficial wounds. Nothing to scream about.

[Grayshot954]

Well maybe for the film, Gamera 3, the sonic beams hit the soft part of Gamera's shell. The part the flames disperse from or his un shielded skin. I say this because I don't remember any shell marks during his second altercation with Irys. Thus if this is true, Gamera did in fact fly like a champ.

[Tomzilla]

Gamera's fireballs are like baseballs. Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose. The latter can't simply be "caught" regardless of how short the burst is.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what Gamera's fireballs are like. This is about Legion's shield and Godzilla's beam. If Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose, so is Legion's shield in a way. She focuses electrical energies from her arms to meet any projectile, break it down, and turn it into smoke. What would essentially happen if Godzilla's ray hit her shield would, in many ways, be akin to what would happen in a beam war.

Not that it matters much, since Legion's exoskeleton is more than strong enough to handle Godzilla's ray.

Helooooo clearly unarmored lower torso, which isn't even covered by the shield in the first place.

How does this help Godzilla again? It took several seconds for Gamera's Mana Beam to punch through her unarmored areas.

This is explained by the fact that Legion's exoskeleton is made of silicon. Silicon has a stupidly high melting point. The Mana Beam is purely heat, with no explosive power at all. That's the only reason she survived it for so long.

Uh, okay. Thanks for proving why Godzilla's ray won't do anything to Legion's exoskeleton.

I still don't know where you're getting that she came through the atmosphere, as an adult, completely unprotected. The Legion Flowers launch pods into space, not adult Legion Queens.

And even if that was the case, such a ridiculous feat of durability is blatantly contradicted more than once later in the film.

I'm getting this from the movie. The evidence is as follows:

1) The 'meteorite' makes contact.

2) JSDF soldiers reveal how they've found no traces of the meteor. If it was the pod, they would've found something. They didn't.

3) They specifically said: "The marks it left almost look like it was slowing down when it hit."

Yes, the Legion Flowers launch seeds into space. But that doesn't mean they stay as seeds by the time they land on an unsuspecting world.

Legion has far more impressive durability feats than weak ones. Case in point: her arms. They were blown apart by conventional weapons. But later on, however, they resisted Gamera's Mana Beam about as long as the rest of her exoskeleton. Gamera's Mana Beam is more than just heat. It was pushing Legion back, which means it has a lot of force. Still it didn't annihilate Legion's arms.

The fact of the matter is her low showings are low in number.

[Kaiju-King42]

Gamera's fireballs are like baseballs. Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose. The latter can't simply be "caught" regardless of how short the burst is.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what Gamera's fireballs are like. This is about Legion's shield and Godzilla's beam. If Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose, so is Legion's shield in a way. She focuses electrical energies from her arms to meet any projectile, break it down, and turn it into smoke. What would essentially happen if Godzilla's ray hit her shield would, in many ways, be akin to what would happen in a beam war.

Not that it matters much, since Legion's exoskeleton is more than strong enough to handle Godzilla's ray.

Helooooo clearly unarmored lower torso, which isn't even covered by the shield in the first place.

How does this help Godzilla again? It took several seconds for Gamera's Mana Beam to punch through her unarmored areas.

This is explained by the fact that Legion's exoskeleton is made of silicon. Silicon has a stupidly high melting point. The Mana Beam is purely heat, with no explosive power at all. That's the only reason she survived it for so long.

They're not going to listen to you. I've been arguing this all day with nearly the exact same, no, THE exact same points you have made.

Uh, okay. Thanks for proving why Godzilla's ray won't do anything to Legion's exoskeleton.

I still don't know where you're getting that she came through the atmosphere, as an adult, completely unprotected. The Legion Flowers launch pods into space, not adult Legion Queens.

And even if that was the case, such a ridiculous feat of durability is blatantly contradicted more than once later in the film.

I'm getting this from the movie. The evidence is as follows:

1) The 'meteorite' makes contact.

2) JSDF soldiers reveal how they've found no traces of the meteor. If it was the pod, they would've found something. They didn't.

3) They specifically said: "The marks it left almost look like it was slowing down when it hit."

Yes, the Legion Flowers launch seeds into space. But that doesn't mean they stay as seeds by the time they land on an unsuspecting world.

Legion has far more impressive durability feats than weak ones. Case in point: her arms. They were blown apart by conventional weapons. But later on, however, they resisted Gamera's Mana Beam about as long as the rest of her exoskeleton. Gamera's Mana Beam is more than just heat. It was pushing Legion back, which means it has a lot of force. Still it didn't annihilate Legion's arms.

The fact of the matter is her low showings are low in number.

They're not going to listen to you. I have made almost the exact same arguments as you have, all day long. Oh well... at least I have someone backing me up.

[Inferno Rodan]

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what Gamera's fireballs are like. This is about Legion's shield and Godzilla's beam. If Godzilla's beam is like a stream of water from a hose, so is Legion's shield in a way. She focuses electrical energies from her arms to meet any projectile, break it down, and turn it into smoke. What would essentially happen if Godzilla's ray hit her shield would, in many ways, be akin to what would happen in a beam war.

Umm, no. You're the one missing the point. If Legion could maintain her shield for more than a quick hit, she would have done so when Gamera launched 3 fireballs at her in quick succession. She didn't. She had to reform it after each individual hit.

And this is all ignoring my entire point about her probably not even getting the chance to set up the shield in the first place, of course.

Not that it matters much, since Legion's exoskeleton is more than strong enough to handle Godzilla's ray.

Prove it. The strongest thing her exoskeleton withstood was conventional weaponry, and even then only against certain parts of her body. That shows nothing beyond basic kaiju durability. It did not withstand the Mana beam.

How does this help Godzilla again? It took several seconds for Gamera's Mana Beam to punch through her unarmored areas.

No. It took several seconds for it to melt through her unarmored areas. Notice that the back of her lower torso (ie: the part directly behind the unarmored section) is the first part that the beam goes through.

Uh, okay. Thanks for proving why Godzilla's ray won't do anything to Legion's exoskeleton.

I was unaware that Godzilla's beam stopped being explosive. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

I'm getting this from the movie. The evidence is as follows:

1) The 'meteorite' makes contact.

2) JSDF soldiers reveal how they've found no traces of the meteor. If it was the pod, they would've found something. They didn't.

3) They specifically said: "The marks it left almost look like it was slowing down when it hit."

Yes, objects without any form of propulsion do tend to slow down when they travel through the atmosphere. Friction from air resistance will do that.

Finding no traces of the meteor isn't really evidence, either. If it was Legion herself that landed, they should have noticed the GIANT EFFING TRACKWAY left by the GIANT SPACE BUG walking away from the impact site. If anything, not finding charred remains among other charred remains is the more plausible scenario, especially considering they were looking for pieces of a space rock and not chunks of an alien plant pod.

Yes, the Legion Flowers launch seeds into space. But that doesn't mean they stay as seeds by the time they land on an unsuspecting world.

Occam's Razor. And also, what you're doing by suggesting it was Legion herself that crashed is making up evidence to support your claim that she's durable. This is a faulty method. What you should be doing is finding evidence then reaching the conclusion to which it leads, not the other way around.

Legion has far more impressive durability feats than weak ones. Case in point: her arms. They were blown apart by conventional weapons. But later on, however, they resisted Gamera's Mana Beam about as long as the rest of her exoskeleton. Gamera's Mana Beam is more than just heat. It was pushing Legion back, which means it has a lot of force. Still it didn't annihilate Legion's arms.

Again explained by silicon having a high melting point. And pushing 600 tons isn't much of a feat.

The fact of the matter is her low showings are low in number.

And her high showings are practically nonexistent.

They're not going to listen to you. I have made almost the exact same arguments as you have, all day long. Oh well... at least I have someone backing me up.

You seem to be under the impression that you've brought some irrefutable proof, and we're just sticking our fingers in our ears and yelling "LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA." That's not the case. You brought points, and we brought counterpoints. Neither side has "listened" any less than the other.

Also, in the future please refrain from quoting long posts in their entirety just to give a short response like that. It takes up far too much unnecessary space.

[Tomzilla]

Umm, no. You're the one missing the point. If Legion could maintain her shield for more than a quick hit, she would have done so when Gamera launched 3 fireballs at her in quick succession. She didn't. She had to reform it after each individual hit.

And this is all ignoring my entire point about her probably not even getting the chance to set up the shield in the first place, of course.

Legion didn't need to maintain her shield. It would've been a waste of energy. All she had to do was raise it to dispatch Gamera's fireballs, one after the other. The fact Legion's shield was operating, on average, about as long as Godzilla's typical Atomic Blast lasts proves she'd have no trouble blocking his ray. Being able to raise it in quick succession means she has energy to spare.

There's a chance she wouldn't have enough time to set it up; however, she did have it ready before Gamera unleashed his fireball. So flip a coin.

Prove it. The strongest thing her exoskeleton withstood was conventional weaponry, and even then only against certain parts of her body. That shows nothing beyond basic kaiju durability. It did not withstand the Mana beam.

You're right. It resisted the Mana Beam for several seconds before it finally blazed through her unprotected spot. Do you also notice her armor, even after getting a hole burned through her body, wasn't melting? Godzilla's Atomic Blast is nowhere near as powerful as the Mana Beam, it's not even a fraction of the amount of power Legion resisted. If she could last that long, she'd have no trouble tanking Godzilla's beams.

And really, conventional weapons are more than capable of making explosions comparable in size to ones Godzilla's ray made. Godzilla's Atomic Blast is just hotter.

Yes, objects without any form of propulsion do tend to slow down when they travel through the atmosphere. Friction from air resistance will do that.

You're still not reading it right. They said, specifically, it slowed down when it hit. Not when it was in the atmosphere, not when it was in the sky. When it hit the ground it left marks showing it slowed itself down. That's something the freakin' pod CAN'T do.

Finding no traces of the meteor isn't really evidence, either. If it was Legion herself that landed, they should have noticed the GIANT EFFING TRACKWAY left by the GIANT SPACE BUG walking away from the impact site. If anything, not finding charred remains among other charred remains is the more plausible scenario, especially considering they were looking for pieces of a space rock and not chunks of an alien plant pod.

If it was the pod that landed, they should have noticed the GIANT EFFING PIECES of it littered throughout the area like any other crash site. The fact they didn't and specifically pointed this out -- WITH DIALOGUE is the movie's way of telling you, "Hey, pay attention! We're trying to tell ya a giant space bug just landed!"

Occam's Razor. And also, what you're doing by suggesting it was Legion herself that crashed is making up evidence to support your claim that she's durable. This is a faulty method. What you should be doing is finding evidence then reaching the conclusion to which it leads, not the other way around.

Hold up. If you crashed into the earth meteor style and you walked away in good health, you don't think that'd make you durable?

Again explained by silicon having a high melting point. And pushing 600 tons isn't much of a feat.

You do know the Daiei kaiju have been scaled to Toho standards, right?

[GojiFan]

You do know the Daiei kaiju have been scaled to Toho standards, right?

As I said earlier, scaling up the weight and physical strength of Daiei kaiju doesn't scale up the feats of their beam/energy attacks. The mana beam is powerful and very hot, but it has almost no force behind it.

[Tomzilla]

You do know the Daiei kaiju have been scaled to Toho standards, right?

As I said earlier, scaling up the weight and physical strength of Daiei kaiju doesn't scale up the feats of their beam/energy attacks. The mana beam is powerful and very hot, but it has almost no force behind it.

You're wrong. Nowhere in the rules does it say that. All it says:

13. All monsters, unless stated otherwise, are scaled to be approximely in the same size ranges. Example: Gigan GFW would either be shrunk down or MechaGodzilla '74 would be blown up in a battle between those two. This means either doubling a kaiju's height/weight to be Heisei-scaled or lessening a kaiju's height/weight to be Showa-scaled. In the advent of a Toho vs. Daiei match (Godzilla vs. Gamera), Gamera's weight would be increased to Toho's. KWC weights shall be the default.

This is a fantasy match, where we discuss who'd win. How we do that is by judging and comparing their feats. If their physical strengths are scaled up, so are their beam/energy attacks. If they're only scaled up but their attacks get lost in the mix, it defeats the point. I'm surprised you're actually insisting on this.

[Inferno Rodan]

Legion didn't need to maintain her shield. It would've been a waste of energy. All she had to do was raise it to dispatch Gamera's fireballs, one after the other.

So prove that she can maintain the field for more than what's required to block a single projectile that only impacts for a fraction of a second. "She didn't feel like it" is not valid as evidence. Otherwise I could just say Godzilla didn't feel like using his Spiral beam against Spacegodzilla in their fights, but he'll spam it constantly from the start of the match against Legion.

The fact Legion's shield was operating, on average, about as long as Godzilla's typical Atomic Blast lasts proves she'd have no trouble blocking his ray.

This is just outright false. The actual shield was only formed for a fraction of a second at a time. Godzilla's beam lasts much longer.

There's a chance she wouldn't have enough time to set it up; however, she did have it ready before Gamera unleashed his fireball. So flip a coin.

What? Heisei Godzilla's beam hits its target almost instantly after it's fired. Gamera's fireballs travel much more slowly.

You're right. It resisted the Mana Beam for several seconds before it finally blazed through her unprotected spot. Do you also notice her armor, even after getting a hole burned through her body, wasn't melting? Godzilla's Atomic Blast is nowhere near as powerful as the Mana Beam, it's not even a fraction of the amount of power Legion resisted. If she could last that long, she'd have no trouble tanking Godzilla's beams.

So basically what you're saying is an attack needs to be as strong as the Mana beam in order to hurt Legion.

Pardon me while I laugh.

The very fact that Legion's shield arms were completely obliterated by Type 79 Jyu-MAT anti-tank missiles with 9-lb warheads, and yet held up against the Mana beam is absolute proof that the Mana beam packs essentially nothing but pure heat.

And really, conventional weapons are more than capable of making explosions comparable in size to ones Godzilla's ray made. Godzilla's Atomic Blast is just hotter.

...Okay? There's conventional weapons that would spatter nearly any kaiju across the landscape (look up the Massive Ordnance Penetrator). What's your point? Nothing Legion shrugged off was such a weapon. In fact, the only thing she was actually ever directly hit by that she shrugged off were tank rounds (which are not explosive, contrary to what the visual effects imply). The bombing run from the planes missed her, and the missiles blew her legs off.

You're still not reading it right. They said, specifically, it slowed down when it hit. Not when it was in the atmosphere, not when it was in the sky. When it hit the ground it left marks showing it slowed itself down. That's something the freakin' pod CAN'T do.

Whoa whoa whoa. Back up. You're telling me a falling object slowed down when it made contact with the ground? Holy shit, this is unprecedented!

If it was the pod that landed, they should have noticed the GIANT EFFING PIECES of it littered throughout the area like any other crash site. The fact they didn't and specifically pointed this out -- WITH DIALOGUE is the movie's way of telling you, "Hey, pay attention! We're trying to tell ya a giant space bug just landed!"

Tell me, Tom, what's harder to miss:

1. Charred debris among other charred debris.
2. The trackway of a 450-foot tall creature leading away from an impact site.

And btw, there probably wouldn't have been GIANT EFFING PIECES of the pod left. You don't find giant chunks of meteors after they impact, either.

Hold up. If you crashed into the earth meteor style and you walked away in good health, you don't think that'd make you durable?

Of course it would. However, the evidence that Legion did so is shaky at best.

You do know the Daiei kaiju have been scaled to Toho standards, right?

No they aren't. They're scaled to Toho weight. Their offensive and defensive feats remain the same, assuming their height remains the same. Just because a monster gets heavier, that doesn't make their attacks stronger. If the monster gets taller or shorter, obviously its attacks get larger or smaller by the same amount, but that doesn't make the attacks proportionally stronger or weaker.

In this battle, Legion's weight would be increased to about what it would be on the Toho scale. Say 150,000 tons. That weight increase has ZERO EFFECT on her attacks and durability. Her EM Blast is the same strength as it was in the movie. He shield arms would still be blown off by the same weakass missiles that they were in the movie.