Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:To be fair, if Paragler and Salamadon have no feats, it falls to you, not TG to prvoe they are of decent power and not cannon fodder. Because otherwise, they are blank slates. Which means its only fair we count them as weaklings.
Actually, I consider that rule to be bullshit. However, due to the fact that they were able to throw Red King (who is more than twice their weight.... hell, almost triple
Paragler's), they're both at least of above average strength. And they took a lot of punishment and were only killed when Red hit them with his devastating rock spitting attack.]
THE GODZILLA wrote: Alright, let's get one thing straight first; I'm not saying Red King is weak or anything. Yeah, he's strong. The leap does take quite a bit of muscle strength to perform. But physically manhandling him? Max being in serious trouble if Red King didn't trip? That's why Max was up and ready to counter Red King's next attack, right?
Actually Red King was physically manhandling him. Max was slammed to the grown, thrown and half strangled. Red was clearly hurting him and as the color timer flashed Max was noticably rattled. The tide turned when Red King tripped. Period.
THE GODZILLA wrote:Max utterly massacres him in melee the second time. The third time, Red King has the upperhand for a bit before Max magically comes back and wrecks him. So I give him credit for being strong that third time.
Both were cases of deus ex machina Ultra comebacks. To defeat Red in both cases Max had to use powers other than his physical skills.
THE GODZILLA wrote:Strong? Of course. But Silvagon strong? Don't kid yourself.
I don't see how he isn't.
THE GODZILLA wrote: Prove they could.
Not sure why I should when I'm not the one making blind assumptions.
THE GODZILLA wrote: Considering that's just one of his feats of strength, I'd say it helps.
Yet I consider it just as impressive when Red strangles something.
THE GODZILLA wrote:Silvagon was beating Tiga down in his normal mode with one arm most of the time.
Why is this impressive?
THE GODZILLA wrote: Also, thanks for proving my point; Silvagon was knocking around Tiga even when he was successfully blocking some of his attacks in Power Mode.
What? All successfully blocked attacks were deflected without harm. A more powerful monster would have knocked Tiga regardless of whether the attack was blocked or not. Tiga matched him strengthwise.
THE GODZILLA wrote: You know, overpowering him. And of course Silvagon is tanky, and of course it helps. The whole point is that he's a beast in physical combat. Tiga was horribly outclassed in the strength and durability department, so he had to resort to utilizing a random weakness.
Tiga was outclassed in durability. That is all.