Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:Liger Zero
vs BF: We have seen this before. Liger Zero FTW.
BF stomped LZ's ass in two encounters before LZ's Organoid System kicked in and gave LZ the advantage. Not to mention BF was being hindered by Vega operating at less than 50% capacity by the time the final battle against LZ came around.
GojiFan wrote:Oh you mean like when Enzyme II ripped Guyver I's brains out only for the Guyver to get back up and proceed to mercilessly eviscerate it? I bet that will work perfectly well. And Lucy has no prearranged knowledge of the control metal, so that is completely irrelevant.
Yeah, a crazed Guyver unit mindlessly hurling itself at Lucy is really gonna work.
Forte is agile yes, but he isn't that agile.
Yes he is.
Weight has zero to do with physical strength and being able to brace oneself against force. Watch sports science or something sometime. One of Stanford's tight ends was able to pull two sumo wrestlers, both weighing 100+ pounds more than him, off their feet and through the air. Weight does not equal strength nor does it equal the ability to stabilize oneself against force. It sure helps, but it is much less of a factor than you are trying to make it seem.
As for the Gigantic's strength... a single punch made Neo ZX-Tole, one of the strongest characters in the entire series including the zoalords, flee into space and use his ultimate weapon. One. Single. Punch. Not only that, but it did knock back ZX-Tole and you can see the force of the punch go swirling around behind ZX-Tole in a slowmo/freeze frame.
It pushed him back a few inches
. That's nothing compared to sending something flying back many body lengths
. Shortly afterward, Forte threw a quick punch to the Behemoth that was exactly like what Gigantic did to ZX-Tole: cratered his chest and knocked him back slightly.
And pretty visuals for effect are not valid points of debate. The "force swirl" isn't any different from speed lines. Just there for effect.
And you completely missed the point of that fight. The Gigantic didn't need to exert any real combat skills, because it is so much more powerful than Neo ZX-Tole. That isn't considering the face-to-face fight lasted, again, one punch. If you pay attention earlier in the series, Sho basically created the Gigantic to fight Archanfel, who as we know is much more powerful than the Zoalords. Even if he isn't "an active fighter" he still has more than enough power to kill anything on your team quite easily, just as it did to ZX-Tole (who I assume you think is an "active" fighter).
Ah, I knew you were gonna try to pull this. Congrats on being predictable.
None of that matters. What you know from the manga is irrelevant. This isn't the manga. This is the anime. Only what he did in the anime appearance is relevant to this battle. And all he did in the anime was stand there, raise his shield, throw a punch, shoot a laser, and then use his Giga Smasher. All over the course of, like, 10 minutes. And even though they're listed in his stats, you can't even justify him using the Vibro-Blades. Only reason I even put them in the stats is because they're mentioned in the booklet that came with the DVD.
RedZillaKing wrote:Wait... IR... I can understand Lucy being a favorite and all, but she's easily the weakest combatant on your team. To actually think she's got a snowball's chance against Guyver Gigantic... Jesus. She's practically a woman among gods here. Your most powerful combatant, Neo ZX Tole, had to resort to a suicide attack against Gigantic.
Define "weakest." In terms of physical strength and durability? You're damn right Lucy is the weakest. But that's not where her strength lies. Her strength lies in the fact that she has super-fast, invisible weapons that can deal immense damage in several ways, and few opponents have any means of countering them. Shields are mostly irrelevant to begin with, since they can't see the vectors and don't know to block in the first place. Even if a shield is put up, the vectors can simply pass through it and strike anyway. Extremely heavy armor is only temporary protection, since Lucy'll eventually just decide to bypass it and attack her opponent internally. She's also fast and agile enough to somewhat mitigate her relative physical frailty.
You could make a case for Forte, but there's absolutely no solid proof that Psycho Glory will ave the same effect on GG that it had on the Behemoth.
...Why wouldn't it?
The "crumble point" that Psycho Glory targets isn't some magical unique weak point that means it only works against things from the Betterman/GGG universe (yes, those two are in the same timeline). Saying Psycho Glory wouldn't work against an opponent is like saying Ultraman's Specium Ray wouldn't work against non-UM kaiju, or AT Fields wouldn't defend against attacks not made by things from the Evangelion franchise. If the opponent has a physical form, Psycho Glory can work against them.