Pokemon Game Discussion 2.0

[Legionmaster]

CHAIN BREEDING~~~!!

Just bred my Braviary with a Ducklett for IVs, then bred my Seal with a Corsola for nature, then bred my Ducklett with a Corsola with a male with the right nature and egg moves and IVs to pass on to the baby Tentacool that I will start breeding next.

YAY!

Pimp's gotta make a living, yo.

[Flygon King]

Restarting a new game on my Sapphire, the only Pokemon game I have left... I would perfer to do Emerald, but oh well... atleast I get to try out a Crawdaunt... freaking love those things...

Personally, my least favorite gen was Gen 2 * Puts up flame shield*
The main reason is... the shortness and easiness of Gold and Silver. Yes, I know how difficult Whitney and Clair are, but the levels in Johto were abysmal. I mean, seriously, Lance's Dragonite at lv. 50? Wheras I tend to struggle a small bit when it comes to Emerald, Platinum, and the newer games, G/S were flatout easy when I last did them... Aside from Red's infamous Snorlax of doom, I had very few problems... the other issue I have is how few Gen 2 mons there are and how forgettable they tend to be... Delibird, Forretress, Qwailfish, Octillery, etc... Tyrannitar, I like, but otherwise... Gen 2 was bland. I like the remakes alot mroe than the original GOld and Silver, though...

[Legionmaster]

^None of the Pokemon games are "hard." They all curve out, level-wise, pretty similarly. And if you're having trouble in-game, just level up moar. That's always been the case with any RPG ever. They're only as hard as your level.

And I find it laughable that anyone can think that Gen2 Pokemon are more forgettable than Gen3. I mean, who even remembers that Grumpig exists? Or Camerupt? Or Castform? Also, it's amusing that you think Forretress is forgettable, as he's been an OU and Ubers staple for years and years.

[GreenAiden555]

Ayup, I kinda agree, Flygon King. Not too much has come out of Gen II for me aside from memories. I don't use much aside from Crobat, Feraligatr, Xatu, Celebi, Houndoom and Suicune. Don't get me wrong its always fun to play through Johto, but.... I dunno.

But, hey, you suck cause its your opinion, right?

[Flygon King]

The only reason why Forretress is a staple is becuase it's a bulky, Stealth-Rocking, Rapid-spinning Bug-Steel type that walls a large portion of the Meta-Game... In other words, A gen2 mon that was once bland and was made awesome in mroe recent games.... like Tyrannitar and Magcargo (Shell Smash FTW!)

And I've used Grumpig and Camerupt quite a few times before, wherever it be in Emerald, Platinum, Soulsilver, or Black and White... Castform, I'll admit, is bland, but Gen 3 mroe or less defined the game series, giving mons abilities, natures, and the most powerful pokemon in the game (Kyogre, King of Ubers), as well as setting up the foundations for future powerhouses and setting up the standard TM list that was expanded on in D/P/Pt and tinkered with in B/W... In other words, Gen 3 tred alot of new ground, and lay the groundworks for Gens 4 and 5...

Gens as I like them (In order...)

Gen 4
Gen 3
Gen 1
Gen 5
Gen 2 ( I don't HATE Gen 2... but it's average...)

[Legionmaster]

The Splitting of the Special Stat in Gen2 and the Physical/Special Move Split in Gen4 are much, much, MUCH bigger and impactful than abilities or natures, sorry to tell you.

And your reasoning on why Forretress is used can be applied to why Kyogre is used, so it's a moot point.

[Mothra Freak]

Honestly, I feel that the second generation was highly overrated. Sure, it introduced revolutionary new features... but it didn't do them particularly well. For example, linking gender and shinyness to IVs.

The realtime day/night I'm fine with, but I know some people who hate it.

Personally, I feel each generation improves on what there was before. Sometimes greatly, sometimes minimally, but that improvement's always there.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Honestly, I feel that the second generation was highly overrated. Sure, it introduced revolutionary new features... but it didn't do them particularly well. For example, linking gender and shinyness to IVs.

The realtime day/night I'm fine with, but I know some people who hate it.

Personally, I feel each generation improves on what there was before. Sometimes greatly, sometimes minimally, but that improvement's always there.

Generation 5 didn't. Heart Gold and Soul Silver had some amazing features. Instead of holding down the B button to run you could simply disable or able it on the touch screen. You could walk around with your Pokemon, and all the game options were easily accessible on the touch screen. Black and White took away all of these.

[Legionmaster]

Black and White took away all of these.

Work on BW started long before HGSS, so no, it didn't.

[GreenAiden555]

Black and White took away all of these.

Work on BW started long before HGSS, so no, it didn't.

B/W comes out after HG/SS.

Didn't take away anything.

Wat

Tentacool.... Give me more eggs!

[Legionmaster]

Black and White took away all of these.

Work on BW started long before HGSS, so no, it didn't.

B/W comes out after HG/SS.

Didn't take away anything.

Wat

You missed the "work was started long before HGSS" part. By the time such things were programmed for HGSS, it was likely too far into BW development to add them, or that they didn't have time or manpower to do so.

[GreenAiden555]

Nope. No I didn't.

And quite frankly, its stupid that "it was in development they can't do anything" argument is "valid".

Miyamoto. Pikmin 3. Logic, sense it does not make.

[Mothra Freak]

Honestly, I feel that the second generation was highly overrated. Sure, it introduced revolutionary new features... but it didn't do them particularly well. For example, linking gender and shinyness to IVs.

The realtime day/night I'm fine with, but I know some people who hate it.

Personally, I feel each generation improves on what there was before. Sometimes greatly, sometimes minimally, but that improvement's always there.

Generation 5 didn't. Heart Gold and Soul Silver had some amazing features. Instead of holding down the B button to run you could simply disable or able it on the touch screen. You could walk around with your Pokemon, and all the game options were easily accessible on the touch screen. Black and White took away all of these.

Because those were important game mechanics. You also seem to forget that BW were spectacular in terms of plot for an RPG.

[Hellspawn28]

My rankings on the Generations:

G2
G1
G3
G4
G5

[Hedorah]

I went into G5 not expecting a lot, but I really liked the story.

G2
G1
G3
G5
G4

[PopInPicsPresents]

Because those were important game mechanics. You also seem to forget that BW were spectacular in terms of plot for an RPG.

....In no way is the plot to Black and White spectacular. Each game is essentially the same thing with a few changes to the story, characters and Pokemon.

[GreenAiden555]

Gen V
Gen IV
Gen III
Gen II
Gen I

I had more fun with IV than I have EVER had with a Pokemon game, but I like V the most.

[Tim85]

I loved the first two generations, didn't care much for the third until FR, LG, and Emerald came out, being cut off from so many Pokemon hurt it in the beginning in my opinion. Then the fourth and fifth I got my act together and started to really get into the serious part of training.

I know the talk of the new games will drown this request out, but I'm interested in a female Vulpix/Ninetails with Drought and a female Poliwag family member with it's DW ability for Politoed's Drizzle. If anyone has these, let me know and we can work something out. I have a TON of level 1 Pokemon from breeding that I can trade for.

[Legionmaster]

For the record, HGSS blow GSC out of the water, and thus Gen4 is the best generation. Really, the only thing missing is animated sprites. But I guess we'll get that in a few years when the remakes cycle back and we get TesticleHeartGold and OvarySoulSilver.

[Mothra Freak]

Because those were important game mechanics. You also seem to forget that BW were spectacular in terms of plot for an RPG.

....In no way is the plot to Black and White spectacular. Each game is essentially the same thing with a few changes to the story, characters and Pokemon.

Except when they changed it for Black and White. Sure, you still have the eight gyms and Elite Four, but the characters are actually involved in the story... Not like Blue, who was just there every once in a while to be an asshole, or like Silver, who was just a flanderized Blue, or May/Brendan and Wally who were both rather shitty as "rivals", but more like Barry, who actually does important stuff. They evolve as characters, as well, and it's a visible process, rather than just "Hey! You're late! That's one million dollars!" to "That Pokémon... it makes me sad."

You still have your evil team, yes, but Team Plasma was developed far beyond anything Team Rocket, Aqua, Magma, or Galactic got. They were a legitimate organization that was a legitimate threat, not just making vague plans to take over the world. They, as well, had developed characters. Ghetsis was a manipulative bastard with depth unseen since Pokémon Special's version of Lance. And N himself is probably the deepest character in all the games.

You still have your Professor, but she's a woman and she appears more than twice. She does stuff, as well. Rowan had plot importance, but nothing near Juniper's level.

The Gym Leaders have their own personalities, too. Some people might hate Iris, but she's got waaaaay more personality than Misty, Brock, Erika, and Lt. Surge put together. And they appear more than once.

Then there's the actual plot revolving around the legendary Pokémon. In G/S, Lugia and Ho-oh weren't required. In HG/SS they were just kinda tacked onto the end there. RSE had a general idea, but failed in the execution, because they were, much like HG/SS, an asspull. DPPt were better than RSE, but Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina fared little better in their plot treatment than Groudon and Kyogre. In BW, rather, the entire plot is built around Reshiram and Zekrom, with a heavy buildup to their second battle in the Team Plasma castle. That's more than you can say for any of the others.

Basically... Black and White had twice the plot of Platinum, which had twice the plot of Diamond and Pearl, and so on. Plot was never an important issue in the earlier games. It was given just as much attention in Black and White as the battling system. I'm not hating on the older games, don't get me wrong, but it is, in my opinion, ridiculous to say that Black and White were a step backwards just because they missed some conveniences given to us in HeartGold and SoulSilver. There's a reason they were rated so high.

I'm not saying you can't dislike them compared to the others, though. But there's nothing important there that wasn't improved.