Christopher Nolan

[Sydney Aradi]

LOLWUT?! Man the wrong-ness of your statement has transversed time and space...

I don't see anything wrong with that statement I made. It's simply just my opinion. I'm sure that my opinion is the opposite of yours, but that doesn't make it wrong.

With all your hub-bub and flap-trap about Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind and Stagecoach, youre going to call movies WHICH SHAPED THE ENTIRE COMIC BOOK WHICH INSPIRED MORE BATMAN FILMS TO BE MADE old and out of date?

Yup.

Again, I don't care wether or not Tim Burton's Batman shaped the comic book, because I don't read that comic book. All I care about is wether the film tells an interesting story. And while it does, the story isn't as interesting as Nolan's Batman films.

Burton's Batman basically revamped the comic book, increasing sales to the point of spinning off more books, cartoons and video games. This led to Batman Returns and then two shittier Batman films. All this time, BECAUSE OF BURTON'S FILMS, Batman has been the most iconic DC character for 20 years.

....Okay, so what? That really doesn't make Burton's Batman films better than Nolan's. It just means that, at the time, Burton's Batman films led to a lot of different shit. That doesn't make it better.

If Burton's films hadnt done this, Nolan's Batman probably wouldve never been made.

You and I are now talking about two totally different things. You're talking about which film was more inspirational. I'm talking about which film was better. Just because Burton's Batman films were more inspirational, does not automatically make them better films.

I still stand by what I said: Nolan's Batman films are better than Burton's, and Burton's films are beginning to feel old and dated.

I don't think that can be a bad thing. I always like the Burton films better because I like the atmosphere that those movies had. Not to mention I always found Michael Keaton better as Batman and Danny Elfman's music score is much better. I was never a fan of Nolan's take of the character while Burton's films feel like a comic book movie.

Keaton is a better Batman, but that is the only thing, IMO, that the Burton's Batman films have over Nolan's Batman films. Everything else, Nolan does better. Better stories, better supporting casts, better villains, better acting, even better atmosphere. Burton's atmosphere is very comic bookish, which isn't a bad thing, but Nolan's atmosphere is dark, yet realistic. To me, having a more realistic atmosphere will always triumph over a comic bookish atmosphere, even in a movie based off a comic book.

There is nothing wrong with having a dark atomosphere in a comic film that requires it (like The Punisher 2004 film & Nolan's Batfilms) but not every comic film should have a dark atmosphere and to me some comic book films (like Superman, Spiderman & The Avengers) should NOT have an ultra dark & ultra realistic atomosphere. I do like films that are a tiny bit dark & a lil brooding but not way way too dark & brooding to be off putting

[shinmattiathekaiju]

Speaking of Michael Bay...........

here is how I see him & Christopher Nolan.

Michael Bay: Extremely hated director who makes fun, enjoyable (depending on your Point of view) popcorn effects heavy films
Christopher Nolan: An art house style director nowadays on a big mainstream scale

and I know I might get extremely bashed for this but I perfer Bay over Nolan. Why? because well for one I love extremely silly, over the top & fun popcorn films that have simple plots. However I do acknowledge that Nolan is a better director than Bay but I just like Bay more because his films aren't really as deep and while not having the most technical acting but can be enjoyable to watching on a lazy weekend

My brain seriously can't process someone liking Bay more than Nolan.....

Kinda makes me wonder what kind of movie we would get if Nolan and Bay worked together.

The awesomess of Nolan will clash with the suckiness of E-Bay, causing and implosion that will destroy the planet.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

There is nothing wrong with having a dark atomosphere in a comic film that requires it (like The Punisher 2004 film & Nolan's Batfilms) but not every comic film should have a dark atmosphere and to me some comic book films (like Superman, Spiderman & The Avengers) should NOT have an ultra dark & ultra realistic atomosphere. I do like films that are a tiny bit dark & a lil brooding but not way way too dark & brooding to be off putting

Oh, I don't think every comic book film should have a dark and realistic atmosphere. Some comic characters call for a comic book style atmosphere, like Thor or Deadpool (when he gets his own movie). I'm just saying that I prefer a realistic atmosphere over a comic book one, because then I can relate to the heroes more. Comic book style movies are fun, like The Avengers, but in terms of comic book movies, nothing beats a film with a realistic yet deep and enriching story, like The Dark Knight.

[Sydney Aradi]

There is nothing wrong with having a dark atomosphere in a comic film that requires it (like The Punisher 2004 film & Nolan's Batfilms) but not every comic film should have a dark atmosphere and to me some comic book films (like Superman, Spiderman & The Avengers) should NOT have an ultra dark & ultra realistic atomosphere. I do like films that are a tiny bit dark & a lil brooding but not way way too dark & brooding to be off putting

Oh, I don't think every comic book film should have a dark and realistic atmosphere. Some comic characters call for a comic book style atmosphere, like Thor or Deadpool (when he gets his own movie). I'm just saying that I prefer a realistic atmosphere over a comic book one, because then I can relate to the heroes more. Comic book style movies are fun, like The Avengers, but in terms of comic book movies, nothing beats a film with a realistic yet deep and enriching story, like The Dark Knight.

I don't really consider The Dark Knight a comic book film persay. I see it more as a dark, crime/drama/action art house film that just happens to feature comic book characters. I agree that TDK does have an good story and is well shot with some okay acting and I respect it for its historic value but it's not a film that I just consider to be good but not super great.

Sorry

[GotengoXGodzilla]

There is nothing wrong with having a dark atomosphere in a comic film that requires it (like The Punisher 2004 film & Nolan's Batfilms) but not every comic film should have a dark atmosphere and to me some comic book films (like Superman, Spiderman & The Avengers) should NOT have an ultra dark & ultra realistic atomosphere. I do like films that are a tiny bit dark & a lil brooding but not way way too dark & brooding to be off putting

Oh, I don't think every comic book film should have a dark and realistic atmosphere. Some comic characters call for a comic book style atmosphere, like Thor or Deadpool (when he gets his own movie). I'm just saying that I prefer a realistic atmosphere over a comic book one, because then I can relate to the heroes more. Comic book style movies are fun, like The Avengers, but in terms of comic book movies, nothing beats a film with a realistic yet deep and enriching story, like The Dark Knight.

I don't really consider The Dark Knight a comic book film persay. I see it more as a dark, crime/drama/action art house film that just happens to feature comic book characters. I agree that TDK does have an good story and is well shot with some okay acting and I respect it for its historic value but it's not a film that I just consider to be good but not super great.

Sorry

The Dark Knight certainly doesn't feel like a comic book film. But, technically, it's based off of the comic books, so it is a comic book film.

Actually, for that reason, The Dark Knight, IMO, is the best comic book film ever made. Because it takes the original source material, and makes it into something greater than it could have ever been.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

The Dark Knight certainly doesn't feel like a comic book film. But, technically, it's based off of the comic books, so it is a comic book film.

Actually, for that reason, The Dark Knight, IMO, is the best comic book film ever made. Because it takes the original source material, and makes it into something greater than it could have ever been.

The Dark Knight is a private eye film with the private detective dressed as a bat.

[Gorosaurus Rex]

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but could someone explain to me why The Dark Knight is an art film and not just a really well produced action film?

[Sydney Aradi]

@GxG While TDK is considered the best comic book film ever made but to me, its not my personal favorite comic book film (for years that honor went to Daredevil but now that honor has gone to Avengers) but fear not TDK is good enough to be considered to be included in a top 15 list of my favorite superhero films. (I could post my list on here if you want)

[GotengoXGodzilla]

The Dark Knight certainly doesn't feel like a comic book film. But, technically, it's based off of the comic books, so it is a comic book film.

Actually, for that reason, The Dark Knight, IMO, is the best comic book film ever made. Because it takes the original source material, and makes it into something greater than it could have ever been.

The Dark Knight is a private eye film with the private detective dressed as a bat.

Private eye film wouldn't be the first thing I'd call The Dark Knight (more like a crime thriller), but sure that works. It's also based off of a comic book. So, in my eyes, The Dark Knight falls into two very different genres: Crime thriller and comic book.

@GxG While TDK is considered the best comic book film ever made but to me, its not my personal favorite comic book film (for years that honor went to Daredevil but now that honor has gone to Avengers) but fear not TDK is good enough to be considered to be included in a top 15 list of my favorite superhero films. (I could post my list on here if you want)

Oh, that's fine if it's not your personal favorite. That's entirely up to you, and you alone. Hell, it's fine if you even hate the film. For example, I appreciate Citizen Kane and recognize that its one of the most well made films in the history of cinema...but I personally don't like it.

I would never try to force someone to say they like something that they truly don't, or at the very least force an opinion out of someone that isn't really their own. That's just sickening to even think about.

[Proofpoochie]

I agree with Sydney. The Dark Knight, despite it's flaws, is a great film. I just find it rather overrated and many of Nolan's fans treat it like it's the greatest film of all time.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Private eye film wouldn't be the first thing I'd call The Dark Knight (more like a crime thriller), but sure that works. It's also based off of a comic book. So, in my eyes, The Dark Knight falls into two very different genres: Crime thriller and comic book.

I won't deny that its a comic book movie. I'll just deny its quality as a comic book movie.

Oh, yes, it is a good CRITICAL movie, but it lacks the "comic book"ness of a comic book movie.

Its a cop movie first and a comic book movie second.

Its like how Gojira is not a monster movie first. Its a drama movie first.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I agree with Sydney. The Dark Knight, despite it's flaws, is a great film. I just find it rather overrated and many of Nolan's fans treat it like it's the greatest film of all time.

Well to me, that seems like it's the fans fault, not the film's fault. I personally believe that a film should never be looked down upon, just because that film has fans that make it out to be more than it actually is.

Don't blame the movie. Blame the fans.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

I agree with Sydney. The Dark Knight, despite it's flaws, is a great film. I just find it rather overrated and many of Nolan's fans treat it like it's the greatest film of all time.

Well to me, that seems like it's the fans fault, not the film's fault. I personally believe that a film should never be looked down upon, just because that film has fans that make it out to be more than it actually is.

Don't blame the movie. Blame the fans.

I blame the film for its lack of superhero-ness.

[tymon]

LOL at people thinking Nolan's Bat films are "realistic". More realistic and believable than your typical superhero tale? Sure. But it's still a highly dramatized fantasy world where the Joker's impossible schemes (among many other ridiculous events) are actually possible. It's nowhere near real-life.

Wataru - I can see why you prefer Burton's films, and they're definitely way more influential in the comic book world than BB/TDK. However, influence doesn't necessarily entail greatness. Film is subjective, so GXG isn't "wrong" about preferring Nolan's take.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but could someone explain to me why The Dark Knight is an art film and not just a really well produced action film?

I second this. Anyone? Anyone?

[Legionmaster]

I second this. Anyone? Anyone?

HERP DERP BC DARK N GRITTY

The word "budget" isn't even in the vocabulary of arthouse cinema.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

LOL at people thinking Nolan's Bat films are "realistic". More realistic and believable than your typical superhero tale? Sure. But it's still a highly dramatized fantasy world where the Joker's impossible schemes (among many other ridiculous events) are actually possible. It's nowhere near real-life.

The reason that I call Nolan's Batman films "realistic", is because I completely believe everything that happens in those films, and also believe that what happens in those films could very much happen in real life. If there were a vigilante that dressed up as a super hero to fight crime, I completely believe that there would be a person like the Joker out there, trying to prove a point to that vigilante, and that it would not end well.

I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but could someone explain to me why The Dark Knight is an art film and not just a really well produced action film?

I second this. Anyone? Anyone?

I don't believe I ever said that The Dark Knight is an art film. Hell, I don't even believe it is an art film. When I think of an art film, I think of Tree Of Life or 2001: A Space Odyssey. The Dark Knight is nothing like those films. I agree with Gorosaurus Rex: The Dark Knight is a very well made crime thriller, not an art film.

[tymon]

I was thinking of "art film" not as a genre but as a general term, my bad. It's obviously not arthouse...and it certainly isn't anything complex or thought-provoking either. Just a simple action flick with some dark twists thrown in.

The reason that I call Nolan's Batman films "realistic", is because I completely believe everything that happens in those films, and also believe that what happens in those films could very much happen in real life.

Wat

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I was thinking of "art film" not as a genre but as a general term, my bad. It's obviously not arthouse...and it certainly isn't anything complex or thought-provoking either. Just a simple action flick with some dark twists thrown in.

I think The Dark Knight is more than just a simple action film. Hell, I even hesitate to call it an action film. Thrillers and action films are two very different genres.

The reason that I call Nolan's Batman films "realistic", is because I completely believe everything that happens in those films, and also believe that what happens in those films could very much happen in real life.

Wat

To quote Sheldon Cooper, "I don't see how I could have made that statement any clearer."

That's just what I personally believe about Nolan's Batman films.

[tymon]

^It's not about what you personally believe, it's a simple examination of all the crazy, impossible bullshit that goes down in both films. There are more blatant leaps of logic than one can keep track of, especially in TDK. Your denial of this leaves me dumbfounded.

And yeah, I suppose it fits into the thriller genre as well..

[GotengoXGodzilla]

^It's not about what you personally believe, it's a simple examination of all the crazy, impossible bullshit that goes down in both films. There are more blatant leaps of logic than one can keep track of, especially in TDK. Your denial of this leaves me dumbfounded.

I don't think there is a whole lot of crazy and impossible bullshit in at least The Dark Knight (it's been a while since I've watched Batman Begins). Everything that happens in TDK happens for a very logical reason. I buy why the Joker is terrorizing Gotham. I buy why Batman tries to stop him, and why he goes to the lengths that he does. I buy why Harvey Dent and all of the supporting characters do what they do. For that reason, I find the film realistic.