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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Sydney Aradi » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:32 am

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My opinion of this film is rising. I'm hesitant, but I'm excited at the same time. Essentially, I'm up in the air, and I'll be bizarrely satisfied regardless of the result. If it's good, I'll be happy that we have a great superhero trilogy and that I saw a great film. If it's bad, I will be sadistically happy that Nolan gets to eat his egotistical words.


Same here, I'd wanna see Christopher "Megalomaniac" Nolan be proven wrong that this won't be the biggest epic since the silent era
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Gorosaurus Rex » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:28 am

Okay, back to the realism debate that was being raged a little while ago.

I was reading this article on What Culture!, a reasonably respectable pop culturally website, on why The Dark Knight Rises, to them, will be the best film of the year. They cite the usual things, the acting, the action, the score, direction, etc. However, it gets to the point where they mention that TDKR has social commentary in it. My interest was piqued because, hey, I didn't catch any of this social commentary in the trailers or anything I read. Will TDKR really tackle issues such as maybe prison over population or economic issues or even class warfare? Nope. Here's what apparently passes for social commentary:

This could stand to be criticized as a self-righteous ego trip that only a real stuffy old film-goer will appreciate, however from the rife social/political/economic comments and implications throughout the films many trailers it does make the rather bold statement that this is not just a film about Batman, it’s a film taking in to account the realism’s of the day and make it more real for us because of it.

‘There’s a storm coming Mr. Wayne, and when it does you will wonder how you managed to live so large and leave so little for the rest of us.’ – Haunting. As well as metaphors such as an American Football stadium being blown up after a young American boy sings the American national anthem, whilst images of mansions being destroyed makes this film every bit as communist as an evening spent sipping Red Wine with Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev and Castro in the Kremlin.

The realness and compatibility with these issues and the world at the moment will make this a more relevant Batman film, and something more than just your average summer blockbuster.


Again, people seem to be unable to pull any sort of meaning out of these Batman films outside of how "real" they are. Despite some half-baked attempt at saying that TDKR is a pro-communist film, the author is unable to really make a point on how TDKR really provides any sort of commentary or statement on society. Instead, we get the same, "Look Bane blew up a football field, isn't that really realistic guys? I've seen a football field before. This must be grounded in reality."
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:26 am

The Dark Knight is often considered a critique of the Bush Administration.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby mecha-gino » Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:57 am

Wait... So Nolan has a big ego now because of one comment or did I miss something else he's said?
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Tyler » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:48 pm

He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Gawdziller » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:50 pm

Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.


Pretty much. A lot of directors pimp out their movies like that. It's not the first time, and it definitely won't be the last.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Gorosaurus Rex » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:53 pm

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Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.


Pretty much. A lot of directors pimp out their movies like that. It's not the first time, and it definitely won't be the last.


Yes, but few make statements that are as insanely bold and pretentious as saying that their film is the biggest epic in almost one hundred years of film. That is a huge thing to say, and is an immediate turn off to me. Directors hype their movies, but I have never seen one say something that ridiculous before.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Gawdziller » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:36 pm

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Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.


Pretty much. A lot of directors pimp out their movies like that. It's not the first time, and it definitely won't be the last.


Yes, but few make statements that are as insanely bold and pretentious as saying that their film is the biggest epic in almost one hundred years of film. That is a huge thing to say, and is an immediate turn off to me. Directors hype their movies, but I have never seen one say something that ridiculous before.


I've heard such stements from the likes of Michael Bay, Rob Cohen, and even Steven Speilberg, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The "pretentousness" of said claim is subjective, as it's less of a claim of ego and more of an outlook of what film they want it to be. Quotes such as that are not meant to be taken as "egomania" and taking it as such usually looks foolish.

The outlook on the film is always going to be subjective. There are going to be those who agree with him and those who don't, that's the way it always has been and that's the way it always will be. I heeded very little attention to it because of this. But the rage frenzy over something as silly as it makes me giggle nonstop.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Sydney Aradi » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:47 pm

Count me in as one of those people who doesn't agree with anything Nolan says, I do hope that this will be the last Batman film that Chrisy Nolan would ever do.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby spinzilla » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:10 pm

I'm kind of convinced that Nolan's Batman trilogy is one elaborate Prestige trick-esque thing. Begins- The Pledge, TDK- The Turn, Rises- The Prestige.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Tim85 » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:18 pm

Maybe I'm just too simple of a guy, but I don't care about all this talk of realism and social commentary. I'm looking forward to seeing it because A) it's a Batman film, and B) It's the conclusion to this series. I want to see how it ends and if it's any good. I enjoyed the first two and I hope to like this one too. TDK was the last film Dad and I went and saw in the theater together so this is another movie series that has some sentimental value to me.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby mecha-gino » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:30 pm

Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.

Oh, well that's pretty dumb just for one comment. It seems now a lot of people are trying to hate Nolan, but my question is why? You got two fantastic batman films but because of one comment he's a menace with an ego or something else? I dunno.

I just find it dumb after ONE comment he's deemed to have too big of a ego, regardless of scope of the comment.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Sydney Aradi » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:37 pm

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Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.

Oh, well that's pretty dumb just for one comment. It seems now a lot of people are trying to hate Nolan, but my question is why? You got two fantastic batman films but because of one comment he's a menace with an ego or something else? I dunno.

I just find it dumb after ONE comment he's deemed to have too big of a ego, regardless of scope of the comment.

While Nolan's films are well made but he's not my favorite director because his films tend to leave me a lil cold and his films aren't really fun to watch over & over again. I do respect his work but not really my cup of tea
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Legionmaster » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:38 pm

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Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.

Oh, well that's pretty dumb just for one comment. It seems now a lot of people are trying to hate Nolan, but my question is why? You got two fantastic batman films but because of one comment he's a menace with an ego or something else? I dunno.

I just find it dumb after ONE comment he's deemed to have too big of a ego, regardless of scope of the comment.

I think you mean two ok Batman movies.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:39 pm

mecha-gino wrote:
Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.

Oh, well that's pretty dumb just for one comment. It seems now a lot of people are trying to hate Nolan, but my question is why? You got two fantastic batman films but because of one comment he's a menace with an ego or something else? I dunno.

I just find it dumb after ONE comment he's deemed to have too big of a ego, regardless of scope of the comment.


You clearly have no clue how the public eye works.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby mecha-gino » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:51 pm

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:
mecha-gino wrote:
Tyler wrote:He was talking about the scope of the film and people blew it way out of proportion.

Oh, well that's pretty dumb just for one comment. It seems now a lot of people are trying to hate Nolan, but my question is why? You got two fantastic batman films but because of one comment he's a menace with an ego or something else? I dunno.

I just find it dumb after ONE comment he's deemed to have too big of a ego, regardless of scope of the comment.


You clearly have no clue how the public eye works.


:( You might of won this round but it's not something THAT bad or maybe that's just me. It's not like he said "Other then Morgan, let's lynch all the goddamn n!ggers!!!" but like I said, maybe it's just me and I don't see why he gets critized by that one comment because he is one of those directors of fantastic Calibur or at least most people thing.

@Legionmaster: ahahahahaha, no. Just no.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby tymon » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:43 am

Gorosaurus Rex wrote:Again, people seem to be unable to pull any sort of meaning out of these Batman films outside of how "real" they are.


Exactly. (Though Selina Kyle's "there's a storm coming" line is closer to social commentary than anything we've seen thus far - the poor being fed up with the rich and possibly overthrowing them could be an interesting storyline that ties in with all the world-wide revolutions going on the past couple years). Batman stories certainly have the potential to be relevant, but Nolan's themes are always incredibly vague at best - the first movie is about fear, the second about chaos - that's about all there is to draw from them. BB and TDK aren't the type of films I watch to make me think or question things, they're just simply entertainment.

I've seen a football field before. This must be grounded in reality."


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby wataru » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:47 am

There were themes to BB and TDK? I didnt get that. TDK had ADHD.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby tymon » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:51 am

^Yeah, calling them "themes" is indeed a bit of a stretch, I'm just basing it off what Nolan has said about the films.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

Postby Tyler » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:23 pm

Gorosaurus Rex wrote:Yes, but few make statements that are as insanely bold and pretentious as saying that their film is the biggest epic in almost one hundred years of film. That is a huge thing to say, and is an immediate turn off to me. Directors hype their movies, but I have never seen one say something that ridiculous before.


But he was talking about the movie on a purely technical level. It's a big movie filmed in a real city, with real explosions, real battles and real tanks and flying vehicles. It's not like Tranformers or Avatar where half the work is done in a computer.
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