The Hangover, Part II

[Monster Master]

Annnnnd thus GXG's stupidity makes a triumphant return.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

That's the whole point though. The characters even discuss several times how difficult it is to comprehend that they somehow got into almost the exact same situation.

So the film becomes a self-parody of sorts?

[GotengoXGodzilla]

That's the whole point though. The characters even discuss several times how difficult it is to comprehend that they somehow got into almost the exact same situation.

...That doesn't make it okay to tell the exact same jokes as the first film, though. There are no new jokes in Part II. Every joke that was in the first, is in the second as well. It offers up nothing new to the table.

If you want the same set of circumstances: waking up in an unfamiliar place with no memory of what happened, that's fine. But don't make the exact same jokes as the first, or do the same things that happened in the first. That's just incredibly lazy and terrible writing.

Annnnnd thus GXG's stupidity makes a triumphant return.

I'd like to know how stating this opinion on Hangover Part II is "stupidity".

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Annnnnd thus GXG's stupidity makes a triumphant return.

I'd like to know how stating this opinion on Hangover Part II is "stupidity".

Its not the fact that you stated your opinion...its how you stated it as an Absolute Truth. And those type of claims (Absolute Truths) lead to terrorism...


...I doubt anyone got that horrible joke.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Annnnnd thus GXG's stupidity makes a triumphant return.

I'd like to know how stating this opinion on Hangover Part II is "stupidity".

Its not the fact that you stated your opinion...its how you stated it as an Absolute Truth. And those type of claims (Absolute Truths) lead to terrorism...


...I doubt anyone got that horrible joke.

...What absolute truth? Everything I've said so far I've said as my opinion, not a fact.

[Monster Master]

I'd like to know how stating this opinion on Hangover Part II is "stupidity".

Oh no. It's not that. It's how you seem to think a movie like Destroy All Monsters and Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla offers a different plot than Monster Zero, minus the additional monster cast and change in human characters.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I'd like to know how stating this opinion on Hangover Part II is "stupidity".

Oh no. It's not that. It's how you seem to think a movie like Destroy All Monsters and Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla offers a different plot than Monster Zero, minus the additional monster cast and change in human characters.

Just a personal feeling I have, especially on films like Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep, Son Of Godzilla and Terror Of MechaGodzilla. It's mostly how it focuses on certain characters, rather than the monsters, or certain themes that the films have. Ebirah has its setting and theme of rebellion, Son Of Godzilla has its characters, atmosphere and theme of helping one's own race, and Terror has its totally different characters (specifically Dr. Mafune and Katsura) and ending.

I'm not saying people have to understand what I'm saying, but that I think almost every Showa film is different from one another, aside from the monsters and change in characters. They're each unique films if you're looking in the right spots.

[TokyoVigilante]

I'd like to know how stating this opinion on Hangover Part II is "stupidity".

Oh no. It's not that. It's how you seem to think a movie like Destroy All Monsters and Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla offers a different plot than Monster Zero, minus the additional monster cast and change in human characters.

I forgot the part in Mechagodzilla where Godzilla went to space via energy bubble.

[Legion1979]

It's precious how the apparent "unoriginality" of the Showa Godzilla series got dragging into GxG's negative critique of The Hangover 2, which I agree with 100%.

I don't see how the movies stopped being original after Monster Zero, especially considering films like Revenge and Hedora are some of the unique of all Godzilla films, whether one likes them or not. Sea Monster and Son of Godzilla, meanwhile, are nothing like Honda's previous four films. Seriously, how is Monster Zero anything like Mechagodzilla? The only similarity is that both films include invading aliens that use monsters to attack the earth. And even then, the treatment of Godzilla in both films is completely different, the human dramas are completely different, the alien's actions and their relations to the human characters are completely different...should I go on?

Nothing GxG has said in this thread has been stupid. It's one thing for Japanese monster films to follow the same formulas, because it's hard to do something new with giant monsters smashing stuff. But to basically remake a film like The Hangover that can only be unique once is just lazy. I liked the first movie but I don't see what was so amazing about it that it needed a sequel that basically copies the first one and just changes the location.

And are we really going to start playing this childish "Don't state opinions as facts!!!!" bullshit again? I see nothing but strong opinions in GxG's post. It's no different than anyone else who offers a critical analysis of any other film. Does GxG have to place a "IMHO" before every sentence now because everyone else can't give him the benefit of the doubt and has decided to treat him the same way they used to before he left the forum?

[Tohosaurus]

It was pretty good. I'd rank it 7/10. It was definitely hilarious, but somehow didn't have the magic of the original. Maybe I'm a nostalgic mofo, but I'm very rarely so.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Actually, Mike, Paul just took a joke a little too seriously, and maybe, too personally.

I'm pointing out how he just says, "This sucks".

Ideally, to avoid harassment, one would say, "I think" or "In my opinion" or even saying "I'm", referring to yourself and your opinion really helps. Owning the sentence means it is an opinion.

"Crocodile is a lazy, watermelon harvesting, fried chicken eating, black man" is much more offensive than "I think Crocodile is a lazy, watermelon harvesting, fried chicken eating black man".

God, if you take that example seriously...

[Ethan]

"Crocodile is a lazy, watermelon harvesting, fried chicken eating, black man" is much more offensive than "I think Crocodile is a lazy, watermelon harvesting, fried chicken eating black man".

God, if you take that example seriously...

Or "Rumor has it Crocodile is a lazy, watermelon harvesting, fried chicken eating, black man".

[Legion1979]

Ideally, to avoid harassment, one would say, "I think" or "In my opinion" or even saying "I'm", referring to yourself and your opinion really helps. Owning the sentence means it is an opinion.

That's an idiotic way of thinking. Do you see books critically analyzing movies putting "IMHO", "I think" and "I feel" before every opinion? I guess Ed Godziszewski and Steve Ryfle should have realized that they left themselves open to harassment by forgetting to do that in their Godzilla books. Because, God dammit, I'm not going to sit here and watch them state opinions as absolute, cold, hard facts. Damn them!!

Everything GxG stated was an opinion. He's being critical of the film and stating nothing but his own opinions. I think the saddest f@cking thing about the internet is that you HAVE to place "IMHO" before opinions if you don't want to be torn a new asshole whenever you analyze anything.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Actually, Mike, Paul just took a joke a little too seriously, and maybe, too personally.

Well I hope you learned your lesson: Never bring up how unoriginal the Showa era is to a dedicated fan of the Showa era.

I'm pointing out how he just says, "This sucks".

...

Worst movie of the year so far. Its the exact same movie as the first, only more gross and disturbing. Why make the exact same film again? That either makes the first one look terrible, because the filmmakers believe that this one is a better version of the first (which it isn't) or it makes the one looks like a piece of trash (which it is). I can't recall ever laugh once during the film, which I believed was impossible, but now I know there's a comedy out there that didn't make me laugh at least one time.

Pretty sure that I say more than just "This movie sucks". I think I went into why the movie sucks fairly well.

Ideally, to avoid harassment, one would say, "I think" or "In my opinion" or even saying "I'm", referring to yourself and your opinion really helps. Owning the sentence means it is an opinion.

...It should be freakin' obvious that what I'm saying is my own opinion. Why should I have to say "In my opinion, this movie sucks"? If I say that something is good or bad, then I'm saying that I think something is good or bad.

Here's my example: Does Linkara at the end of every episode of Atop The Fourth Wall say, "I think that this comic sucks." or "In my opinion, this comic sucks"? No, he says, "This comic sucks." The "I think" or "In my opinion" doesn't need to be stated, because its obvious to everyone whose watching the video.

[Legion1979]

This is the sort of thing that only happens on the internet. I don't see how this "You NEED to preface all opinions with IMHO or else we'll all think you're stating facts" happening in real life. In real life anyone who acted that way would get their teeth knocked out for being such a prick.

[Ethan]

This is the sort of thing that only happens on the internet. I don't see how this "You NEED to preface all opinions with IMHO or else we'll all think you're stating facts" happening in real life. In real life anyone who acted that way would get their teeth knocked out for being such a prick.

I'm inclined to believe some members have something with GxG. Notice how none of the comments in the topic bear the "In my opinion" clarification and yet Paul's opinion is the only one to be attacked.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

This is the sort of thing that only happens on the internet. I don't see how this "You NEED to preface all opinions with IMHO or else we'll all think you're stating facts" happening in real life. In real life anyone who acted that way would get their teeth knocked out for being such a prick.

I'm inclined to believe some members have something with GxG. Notice how none of the comments in the topic bear the "In my opinion" clarification and yet Paul's opinion is the only one to be attacked.

Probably because I dared to say that this movie was terrible, and most people like it...even though hardly any one, aside from Arrow and DaikaijuSokogeki!!, went into why they like this film, which I always laugh at.

[Legion1979]

I'm inclined to believe some members have something with GxG. Notice how none of the comments in the topic bear the "In my opinion" clarification and yet Paul's opinion is the only one to be attacked.

I think people were prepared to start attacking GxG the instant he came back. He's literally done nothing in this thread but state an opinion.

[zilla103192]

This is the sort of thing that only happens on the internet. I don't see how this "You NEED to preface all opinions with IMHO or else we'll all think you're stating facts" happening in real life. In real life anyone who acted that way would get their teeth knocked out for being such a prick.

I'm inclined to believe some members have something with GxG. Notice how none of the comments in the topic bear the "In my opinion" clarification and yet Paul's opinion is the only one to be attacked.

Probably because I dared to say that this movie was terrible, and most people like it...even though hardly any one, aside from Arrow and DaikaijuSokogeki!!, went into why they like this film, which I always laugh at.

I liked it because it made me laugh.

My job is done!

but yeah, I can accept that you don't like it. Like I said in the other thread, can't please everyone.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I'm inclined to believe some members have something with GxG. Notice how none of the comments in the topic bear the "In my opinion" clarification and yet Paul's opinion is the only one to be attacked.

Probably because I dared to say that this movie was terrible, and most people like it...even though hardly any one, aside from Arrow and DaikaijuSokogeki!!, went into why they like this film, which I always laugh at.

I liked it because it made me laugh.

My job is done!

but yeah, I can accept that you don't like it. Like I said in the other thread, can't please everyone.

I'd hate to be the critic here. But since I want to be a critic someday, I'll do it anyway:

Why did it make you laugh? Just saying "It made me laugh" doesn't explain anything about why you liked the film. Did you laugh because of the characters? The situations they were in? The dialogue?

Here's my belief: When saying why you like or dislike a film, be able to explain why you like or dislike that film, in enough detail to where someone else could make the same conclusion. If you can't explain why, then odds are the film isn't as good or as bad as think it might be.