Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" (2012)

[miguelnuva]

Sounds to me there is the Ridley Scott canon which is Alien, Aliens and Prometheus( is this correct)

and a Fan-canon which is everything Alien, Predator and Prometheus.

[GojiFan]

Sounds to me there is the Ridley Scott canon which is Alien, Aliens and Prometheus( is this correct)

Correct. Though I don't know if he includes the third movie in there as well.

and a Fan-canon which is everything Alien, Predator and Prometheus.

Incorrect. Many Alien fans have trouble even accepting Alien:Resurrection as canon. Then there is the AvP canon which seems to be:

Predator
possibly Predator 2
AvP
AvP:R

People just want this movie to be all about "Alien" even though it's not.

This x10000000

Here is an example:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/ridley ... and-alien/

Here, Ridley almost directly states that Prometheus is not an Alien prequel, but its own movie and franchise instead. Then what does both the author and the comment section do? Proclaim how it must be an Alien prequel and how Ridley Scott, the director, is lying about the movie.

[Terrier]

There are tons of comics, video games and books that are more worthy of atention than most of the movies (Wich have the advantage of... being movies).

If you want an "Aliens vs. Predator" story, read the original comic, the one that started the very idea of such a crossover (The alien skull in "Predator 2" was most likely a reference to this comic), made before (And this is important) "Alien 3" and "Predator 2", and wich the 2004 movie was slightly based on. "Deadliest of Species" is also very experimental.

[GojiFan]

There are tons of comics, video games and books that are more worthy of atention than most of the movies (Wich have the advantage of... being movies).

If you want an "Aliens vs. Predator" story, read the original comic, the one that started the very idea of such a crossover (The alien skull in "Predator 2" was most likely a reference to this comic) and wich the 2004 was slightly based on. "Deadliest of Species" is also very experimental.

Oh I agree, the comic crossovers are far better than any of the AvP movies, as well as some of the older games. There a couple of good books on AvP as well.

[wrongnote85]

yea, didn't the first avp comic come out in like 88, right after the first predator film?

[Godzillakuj94]

Jeez, I don't want this thread to be locked. What ever happened to cause this debate?

But anyways, if they do make a sequel, I was thinking perhaps going for a point-of-view of the Deacon and see what happens in it's life.

That's exactly what I was thinking, maybe we could get some comic relief from the Deacon also(maybe in a Pixar way?).

[wataru]

Sounds to me there is the Ridley Scott canon which is Alien, Aliens and Prometheus( is this correct)

Correct. Though I don't know if he includes the third movie in there as well.

and a Fan-canon which is everything Alien, Predator and Prometheus.

Incorrect. Many Alien fans have trouble even accepting Alien:Resurrection as canon. Then there is the AvP canon which seems to be:

Predator
possibly Predator 2
AvP
AvP:R

Dont forget Predators (2009) which is a sequel to Predator.

[SoleMan]

How many times did Ridley Scott say that Prometheus wasn't going to be that kind of movie at all? Like a billion, give or take?

It still stands there's no reason for it to have that slight connection to ALIEN. They could just make their own damn movie. It still would've sucked, but been less of an insult.

Fanservice.

This directly contradicts the statement of it being another franchise. Why are they trying to appease the alien fans?

...Because he was very much aware that he was infected. Burning serves a dual function as decontamination. See, these people aren't as dumb as some people are saying they are.

I mean, the guy lets himself be burned to death? Everyone was wearing suits, I'm sure they could've vented anything that got into the hold, or better yet just let people go into the hold, and close the door, making his death a little more subtle. But then, if they did that I probably would've bitched about how boring it was.

To be fair, you apparently went into the film expected to be spoon-fed information about entire other film. That's pretty poor decision making on your part.

Okay, I'll give you that. I didn't see any of the interviews where he claimed that it wasn't connected to the alien, but I really didn't think there were going to be too many aliens in it. I thought it was going to explore the space Jockey, (Which in and of itself is kinda lame--what the made the space jokcey cool was that it was totally meaningless, but the movie would suffer without it.) Which, I don't feel it did very well at all.

[wataru]

I like how the elitists fall back on what Scott said in interviews.

The movie itself clearly uses alot of ideas from Alien/Aliens. It's in the same universe. The trailers lead one to assume it's an Alien prequel. The film needs to stand on it's own and not rely on some sound bits, extra commentary or articles explaining the movie. That is NO DIFFERENT then a novel explaining elements of the film and the film just glossing over it.

Lucas does this and it's called shitty writing (and I agree and most people here do as well). Scott does it and it's supposed to be accepted, loved and not questioned.

[Terrier]

I like how the elitists fall back on what Scott said in interviews.

The movie itself clearly uses alot of ideas from Alien/Aliens. It's in the same universe. The trailers lead one to assume it's an Alien prequel. The film needs to stand on it's own and not rely on some sound bits, extra commentary or articles explaining the movie. That is NO DIFFERENT then a novel explaining elements of the film and the film just glossing over it.

Lucas does this and it's called shitty writing (and I agree and most people here do as well). Scott does it and it's supposed to be accepted, loved and not questioned.

You keep insisting in that the movie relies on having a sequel. I disagree. It's the people who wants the answers to be directly given to them instead of looking for them themselves by analyzing the movie (It's possible), as well as wanting it to be an Alien prequel that leads directly into Alien.

I have my doubts that the sequel, if there ever is one, will answer all the questions left by this movie, specially the ones concerning Alien. I feel like a sequel would be even more distant to Alien, maybe tell a separate story than that of Prometheus. It has been said in interviews that the Prometheus' sequels would go in their own direction while somewhere else Alien and maybe Aliens happen: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/news/223

I can imagine people expecting the "sequel" to flat out answer all the questions left by the previous movie, no mather how much Ridley Scott says, for example, that it's a separate story and not a direct continuation or something, yet people will complain that the movie wasn't a direct continuation or something nor did it flat out answer all the question even though it is possible for oneself to come to certain conclusions... just like the thing with Prometheus as an Alien prequel...

And again, the movie tells a story, it shows events that are part of a vast universe, from the point of view of specific characters, chances are so will the other movies. I think it would have been forced to have this story revealing every fact right in front of our faces. What are the odds?

I'm not expecting a sequel myself, not yet at least, I want to form my own conclusions. I don't think an answer would make justice to the possibilities. The original Alien had that in it's favour, but the sequels and the like that came afterwards somehow gave the people an idea of how the aliens work (Just a bunch of skreeonk ants trying to create a skreeonk nest with a skreeonk queen) and they lost their mistery. I think what Prometheus did (Give them a vague relation to this vague goo thing) was a better choice than giving any "answer" about them.

[GojiFan]

I like how the elitists fall back on what Scott said in interviews.

Wait... we are elitists for thinking Ridley Scott was telling the truth in the dozens of interviews he gave? How does that make any sense?

The movie itself clearly uses alot of ideas from Alien/Aliens. It's in the same universe. The trailers lead one to assume it's an Alien prequel. The film needs to stand on it's own and not rely on some sound bits, extra commentary or articles explaining the movie. That is NO DIFFERENT then a novel explaining elements of the film and the film just glossing over it.

Of course it uses similar imagery. It is the same universe and the same alien race who designed the derelict in Alien. SS4JG said it best himself. Is Iron Man 2 a prequel to Thor? No. It is a separate story in the same universe that just so happens to take place before Alien. It leaves things open because it wants you to think.

Lucas does this and it's called shitty writing (and I agree and most people here do as well). Scott does it and it's supposed to be accepted, loved and not questioned.

Lucas' writing is shitty because the plot is full of holes and conflicting ideas. Lucas' writing makes no attempt at making you think about possibilities, but rather "WTF, that goes against what just happened!"

[Tyler]

Except that's wrong.

Here's a better one


You know, the idea of bringing the origins of man, Alien and Jockey/Engineer together just limits the scale of the universe to me. I always liked to think the Nostromo and Derelict were just a long line of ships and races to encounter the Alien. It's been happening for a very long time and the same thing always happens.

[wrongnote85]

I always liked to think the Nostromo and Derelict were just a long line of ships and races to encounter the Alien. It's been happening for a very long time and the same thing always happens.

this is something i have also thought for a long time, and really enjoyed the idea of.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Hey, this is a fun video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQ ... video_user

[SoleMan]

I always liked to think the Nostromo and Derelict were just a long line of ships and races to encounter the Alien. It's been happening for a very long time and the same thing always happens.

this is something i have also thought for a long time, and really enjoyed the idea of.

I agree 100%, that's why I keep saying I dread the notion they would do that.


Also,

You keep insisting in that the movie relies on having a sequel. I disagree. It's the people who wants the answers to be directly given to them instead of looking for them themselves by analyzing the movie (It's possible), as well as wanting it to be an Alien prequel that leads directly into Alien.

But there's nothing to analyze! The movie doesn't present enough data to make a genuine inference about any of the theories presented. The only way I can figure most of the people who came up with them worked on the movie and got the answers directly from the writers, because if there's somebody out there who can devote enough time to deducing the drivel from this idiotic movie, then I'm very afraid because they're most likely serial killers of some sort, and are probably comming for me right now!

[Berzerkgodzilla]

Everything you say is an opinion. Everything I've gotten from the movie is from the movie alone and nothing else. It didn't take me very long to figure somethings out from this "idiotic movie" you think the film is.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Also,

You keep insisting in that the movie relies on having a sequel. I disagree. It's the people who wants the answers to be directly given to them instead of looking for them themselves by analyzing the movie (It's possible), as well as wanting it to be an Alien prequel that leads directly into Alien.

But there's nothing to analyze! The movie doesn't present enough data to make a genuine inference about any of the theories presented. The only way I can figure most of the people who came up with them worked on the movie and got the answers directly from the writers, because if there's somebody out there who can devote enough time to deducing the drivel from this idiotic movie, then I'm very afraid because they're most likely serial killers of some sort, and are probably comming for me right now!

Its not difficult to fill gaps with what it said in the movie. And in the promotional material before. And in Alien.

[wataru]

HEY! Now this is supposed to be a stand alone film. /sarcasm

[Tyler]

Hey, this is a fun video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQ ... video_user

Everyone watch this and the full review in the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

NINJA'D!

Just for the record I didn't HATE the movie. I'll be checking out the director's cut. But I don't think it'll solve any of the movie's problems.

[wataru]

Im waiting for Scott to come out and say the Space Jockeys and Engineers arent the same thing. That the Jockeys are Space Elephants and the Engineers just use their husks as EVA suits.