Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" (2012)

[Svitska Donkun]

ITT: Hipster fanboys that are mad because Prometheus wasn't Alien.

This actually isn't what I wanted at all.

[Goji]

"why are the space jockey's chest exploded"

"This is a different planet than the one from the original Alien, but their chests are exploded"

Gee, maybe because (gasp!) this is the beginnings of the xenomorph species. Imagine that!

The fact that you weren't even able to piece this together makes your whole rant invalid as skreeonk, as far as I'm concerned.

[CommanderJoe]

"why are the space jockey's chest exploded"

"This is a different planet than the one from the original Alien, but their chests are exploded"

Gee, maybe because (gasp!) this is the beginnings of the xenomorph species. Imagine that!

The fact that you weren't even able to piece this together makes your whole rant invalid as skreeonk, as far as I'm concerned.

How does any of that make any of my criticisms of the inherent lack of logic in the script invalid?
Why have any of the engineers/soldiers/angels/demons/giants/ADAMS chests exploded? Explain it to me since you're obviously so much more intelligent than anybody else on these boards. While you're at it, explain all the rest of the inconsistencies and lapses in scientific logic in the movie. Please.

[Legionmaster]

There is no real "science" in this movie. One moron actually said that the reason one of the characters was able to walk after surgery was because of the advanced pharmaceuticals she was taking. BULLSHIT!

I'm not sure how you think this is unreasonable in any way. She is clearly shown to inject herself plenty of times. She even begins to meander in the hallway, injects herself, and continues. It's very clear that the drugs are helping.

Why are the space jockeys chests exploded? This is a different planet from the original Alien but their chests are exploded?

There's on unknown relationship to this facility on LV-233 and the crashed ship on LV-426, but it's very clearly shown that their black liquid weapon is what makes the Xenomorphs. It happens on one ship, it likely happens on another.

Why is the primordial Earth in the star chamber showing the planet as it exists today and not Pangea?

It's a 2000 year old ship. Pangea was looooong gone. This problem can be solved by simply paying attention to what you're watching.

Why does Charlize Theron mention to Indris Elba they are only a few billion miles from Earth when they are in fact, trillions of miles away?

She's speaking in hyperbole, in jest. It's not a number read off a dial.

Why wouldn't an engineer ship have defense systems on it just in case some stupid progeny decides to ram it?

The ship design is at least 2000 years old. Humans still weren't even aware of how the solar system worked, much less the galaxy. Why don't all automobiles have weapons just in case cockroaches decide to ram them in 2000 years with their post-nuclear winter automobile technology?

Why would any of the "scientists" do any of the things that they do in this movie?

Overgeneralized bitching is overgeneralized.

How can a geologist become lost when he has access to a set of mapping droids?

He doesn't have the map in front of him. The "pups" send the data back to the Prometheus.

Why would a biologist try to touch a species he has never seen before?

Should mankind ever come into contact with an alien critter, you can have valid precedent to make a case for this.

Why does this movie rip off so many others? Like both versions of the Thing (1951-!982)
Forbidden Planet, so much of Planet of the Vampires (Terrore nello spazio) that even the sounds from that film are replicated along with costumes and flame weapons?(The original Alien was a ripoff of It: The Terror from Beyond Space and Planet of the Vampires but it is a superior ripoff in every aspect) Star Trek The Motion Picture and don't forget the black oil from the X-Files!

Forbidden World, Galaxy of Terror, Leviathan, any one of the Quatermass films. The works of AE Van Vogt, Arthur C Clarke. Carl Jung, Freud. Every piece of Japanese alien torture porn ever made.

I don't have time to explain intertextuality to you.

Why are the scientists so STUPID?

Again, why are the scientists so stupid?

I already answered these above.

There you go. Challenge answered.

[bananaoil]

Legionmaster, I love you.

Prometheus is science fantasy. It's dealing with themes of a fantastic nature. Regardless, it's a phenomenal film and a worthy successor to Alien.

[CommanderJoe]

Wow, you sure are smart aren't you. You don't know a skreeonk thing about modern medicine and how long it takes some one to recover from "stapled" abdominal muscles. If they had used some sort of cellular glue, fair enough. They didn't, they used staples.Not gonna happen(glad you're not the one with the medical degree).

They first "engineer" is shown seeding the planet Earth. What shape was the Earth then? Yeah, that's right. And we're supposed to believe that these Earth scientists are using technology that allows them to instantly figure out that the ship or base they are entering is only 2,000 years old. How? Also, Shaw checks the body of the dead engineer to discern the age of the ship, not the ship itself.

They've created a bio/weapon technology but not a ship that has defenses? Do you know anything about sociology/anthropology/history of warfare? I bet you're somebody who thought Battle L.A. was brilliant too. What with those aliens that use water for fuel, but have to rely on projectile weapons?
Brilliant. Explain why they wouldn't have weaponry? You haven't explained anything. Any superior technology is indistinguishable from magic...Why wouldn't they have weapons? They're capable of creating a technology that seeds a planet, but not weapons?

Why doesn't the geologist have a tracker linking him to the mapping system? Moronic.

It was hyperbole on Theron's part? That's a cop out.

I think maybe you need to go back and watch the movie again regarding the primordial Earth and why it isn't represented as Pangea in the star chamber. You should pay close attention to ALL the planets represented.

You don't have time to explain why Prometheus ripoffs so many other sources? Have you seen any of these movies or read any of these books. Theft is theft. Or maybe you're one of these people that don't believe that Ellison deserved any money or credit after Cameron ripped him off?

[Legionmaster]

Wow, you sure are smart aren't you. You don't know a skreeonk thing about modern medicine and how long it takes some one to recover from "stapled" abdominal muscles. If they had used some sort of cellular glue, fair enough. They didn't, they used staples.Not gonna happen(glad you're not the one with the medical degree).

I wasn't aware you had a B.S. in Futuristic Movie Medicine. That's pretty impressive.

They first "engineer" is shown seeding the planet Earth. What shape was the Earth then? Yeah, that's right.

Well the Earth was still shaped roughly like a sphere, to answer your question. The orientation of the tectonic plates is irrelevant to when the Space Jockeys seeded Earth, as the film clearly states that they planned a return to wipe us out. That plan would have occured 2000 years before the events of the film. I'm pretty sure that in 93 CE, the continents were only a few inches from where they are now.

And we're supposed to believe that these Earth scientists are using technology that allows them to instantly figure out that the ship or base they are entering is only 2,000 years old. How? Also, Shaw checks the body of the dead engineer to discern the age of the ship, not the ship itself.

Shaw carbon dates the decapidated Space Jockey (~2000 years old). That means the ship (and everything on it) is at least 2000 years old as well. That's not a very large logical leap.

They've created a bio/weapon technology but not a ship that has defenses? Do you know anything about sociology/anthropology/history of warfare? I bet you're somebody who thought Battle L.A. was brilliant too. What with those aliens that use water for fuel, but have to rely on projectile weapons?
Brilliant.

Your assumption is cute, but I haven't seen Battle L.A.

Explain why they wouldn't have weaponry?

We have laser technology that can slice through steel like paper, but my Pontiac doesn't have a railgun. You try to belittle me by assuming I know nothing of anthropology, yet fail to realize that most vehicles ever created were not intended for war. Unless, of course, you double majored and got a B.S. in Advanced Xenoanthropology, in which case I yield to your expertice.

You haven't explained anything. Any superior technology is indistinguishable from magic...Why wouldn't they have weapons? They're capable of creating a technology that seeds a planet, but not weapons?

The ironic part about your claim is that the Space Jockey vessels, while apparently not containing any mechanical weapons (which you can't even conclude anyway), have a cargo hold full of WMDs: the Xeno-goop.

Why doesn't the geologist have a tracker linking him to the mapping system? Moronic.

Why would he?

It was hyperbole on Theron's part? That's a cop out.

*Meredith. Theron is an actress, Meredith is a character. And it's very clear that you didn't earn your degree in anything relating to linguistics, nor have you apparently observed how people speak to each other in real life.

I think maybe you need to go back and watch the movie again regarding the primordial Earth and why it isn't represented as Pangea in the star chamber. You should pay close attention to ALL the planets represented.

I'm not even sure what you are saying here. Anger is the enemy of coherency.

You don't have time to explain why Prometheus ripoffs so many other sources? Have you seen any of these movies or read any of these books. Theft is theft. Or maybe you're one of these people that don't believe that Ellison deserved any money or credit after Cameron ripped him off?

My bemusement after reading this is through the roof.

[Hellspawn28]

Prometheus is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

Really? I know you didn't like and I can respect that but did you really think it was the worst movie that you ever seen? Would you claim that the movie is even worst then something like Battlefield Earth or Alone in the Dark?

There is no real "science" in this movie. One moron actually said that the reason one of the characters was able to walk after surgery was because of the advanced pharmaceuticals she was taking. BULLSHIT!

It just a movie, did you expect the movie to be accurate to science?

I wanted it to be a masterpiece and see Ridley Scott return to true form, but he didn't. The movie was crap and he wasted my hopes and money. My most anticipated film all year was complete shit.

That's what happens when you have your expectations too high? I always walk into a movie with low expectations since I can be less disappointed with the film. At least it was nice to see something Alien related after those awful AVP movies.

[Gorosaurus Rex]

Glad to see you actually gave us your opinion this time Donkun.

I will agree with you that some of the character interactions are a little jarring, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are totally unrealistic. I had issues with the script at times too, but I wouldn't go so bad to say that the writing for the movie is terrible. I mean, look at David. The writing and the acting by Michael Fassbender for that character is fantastic.

Many of the aspects you mention, especially when it deals with science and pseudo-science of the piece, I don't believe should be chalked up to lazy writing. The alien fetus growing so fast would likely have to do with the fact that it's an alien, and its biology is much different than that of most Earth life forms. It's nice to see your scientific mind working Donkun, but when it comes to certain pieces of sci-fi like this I think you should give the writers a little more credit.

[CommanderJoe]

You're so right. I can't argue with someone as morally relativistic as you. Its perfectly acceptable to steal the work composed by another and call it your own. You still haven't explained why this superior technology wouldn't have weapons on board the ship and in fact, every vehicle developed by humanity has been used as a weapon at sometime in history, so...I'm going to go back and continue practicing medicine and skreeonk my wife while you masturbate to online porn and play MAGIC. And by the by, anyone familiar with the use of surgical staples knows that any patient who has had transversus abdominis cut for surgery will undergo days/weeks of healing, not hours.

[TokyoVigilante]

Nothing screams "I lost hard" like accusing someone of being more of a nerd then you on a forum designed to bring nerds together. Pretty much the epitome of pitiful.

You look good with a warning, sport.

[Hellspawn28]

I'm going to go back and continue practicing medicine and skreeonk my wife while you masturbate to online porn and play MAGIC.

That's really uncalled for dude (Not to mention I don't like even the Magic card game) . I don't always nitpick movies and look for realistic stuff in film. Otherwise, I would not be a Godzilla fan in the first place (I could say the same for other people on this forum).

Back on topic, the movie does have continuity errors with the xenomorph at end if you really count the AVP films cannon to the Alien films?

[Gorosaurus Rex]

Back on topic, the movie does have continuity errors with the xenomorph at end if you really count the AVP films cannon to the Alien films?

Scott came out and said that he doesn't consider any of the films canon after Aliens.

[Godzilla 1995]

Back on topic, the movie does have continuity errors with the xenomorph at end if you really count the AVP films cannon to the Alien films?

Scott came out and said that he doesn't consider any of the films canon after Aliens.

Smart move, really. Protects his series from Alien 3 and Ressurection.

[Legionmaster]

You're so right. I can't argue with someone as morally relativistic as you. Its perfectly acceptable to steal the work composed by another and call it your own.

As long as you want to get into the realm of diploma-touting, my degree is in Film Studies and Creative Writing, so I basically have you outclassed in every way here. Your statements like this make it very clear that you have no knowledge of art, art movements, or art criticism. I'm generally not one to play into educational elitism, but you're the one who dragged me there.

You still haven't explained why this superior technology wouldn't have weapons on board the ship and in fact, every vehicle developed by humanity has been used as a weapon at sometime in history,

Every type, yes. Every individual vehicle? I'll put it this way: If vehicles were preserved through time at the same percentage that fossils were created, alien anthropologists might not even know that humans built armed transports.

I'll even use military engineering and design to counter your own argument. The SR-71 is a machine of war, yet carries no weapons. Why? Because it flies so high and so fast that there is no threat from enemy fire. It would have been a waste of money and resources to arm it.

Here's another: If you were God, would you bother building a fortress to protect yourself from the primitive beasts you drew up from the dust? No, no you wouldn't.

so...I'm going to go back and continue practicing medicine and skreeonk my wife while you masturbate to online porn and play MAGIC.

How did you know I play Magic?

[Hellspawn28]

Well I'm glad that there was no Predator references or Easter Eggs in the movie. Fox give Scott full control of the movie and did not step in like they done in the past. The movie made 50 million this weekend and already made $141,500,000 worldwide. Things are looking good for the movie so far and hope they can give us a sequel that could finally let up to the first Alien film.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

And by the by, anyone familiar with the use of surgical staples knows that any patient who has had transversus abdominis cut for surgery will undergo days/weeks of healing, not hours.

If the movie takes place in 2093 then won't they have the technology by then to make the healing go by quicker? It's like 80 or 90's years into the future. I'm pretty sure by then that they would have the technology to make things heal quicker?

[CommanderJoe]

Well I'm glad that there was no Predator references or Easter Eggs in the movie. Fox give Scott full control of the movie and did not step in like they done in the past. The movie made 50 million this weekend and already made $141,500,000 worldwide. Things are looking good for the movie so far and hope they can give us a sequel that could finally let up to the first Alien film.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/

And by the by, anyone familiar with the use of surgical staples knows that any patient who has had transversus abdominis cut for surgery will undergo days/weeks of healing, not hours.

If the movie takes place in 2093 then won't they have the technology by then to make the healing go by quicker? It's like 80 or 90's years into the future. I'm pretty sure by then that they would have the technology to make things heal quicker?

Then they wouldn't be using staples. As I mentioned earlier, if they had used cellular glue, I wouldn't have had a problem with that scene. That earlier missive was not directed towards you by the by. You're not a troll by any means. Hope you did not take offense to it and if so, my apologies.

Also, why wouldn't the ship have an avoidance system like our TCAS to keep the Prometheus from ramming it. Do these creatures go forward or backwards?

[ghidorasauras]

^^ I like the AVP tie ins...

[RedZillaKing]

It was nice to see some class return to the series. I personally enjoyed this one. The Engineers were everty bit as cold and menacing as their skeletal creations. Would've liked to see more Engineer vs. Human action. Squidzilla and The Amazing Cobra Worm were interesting predacessors to the facehuggers. Actually hopping for a sequel....

[Tyler]

The problem with Weyland is that they treat him like a twist plot point. HE WAS ON THE SHIP THE WHOLE TIME?!?!?! So? Why keep it a secret. Why wouldn't an old man doing a last ditch attempt to save himself be on the ship? Why is Theron's character being his daughter a plot point? Why is it in the movie? Aside from whatever idiotic creator/created theme they thought they were emphasizing, it does nothing. It doesn't make her any less of a 2D hard ***** caricature and doesn't make his "surprise" inclusion any less cheap and nonsensical.

The twist is ruined because there's a brief scene where David is somehow receiving orders from Weyland in hypersleep. Then the bitchy Theron character confronts him. It's pretty obvious what's going on but when the old guy shows up it tries to be this big moment. Plus the makeup was horrible. He looked like one of the old guys from Jackass.

Then there's the simple issue of the aliens and the presentation of them. The alien sacrifices itself and starts existence on Earth. Cool. Good scene. But why show the mother ship fly away? Did they decide to go away and wait many many million years then come back when man finally came about? Is the film trying to say that evolution actually didn't happen at all? Then what are dinosaurs? Were they already dead then the aliens showed up? Did they only create us? Then why do all life on Earth have the same base pairs? If the aliens did leave when he threw himself in, why are the cave paintings there in the first place? If they didn't leave, my make a point of showing it leave? Why does this alien after being awoken immediately attack the humans like a big brute? It's an alien that has mastered space travel and the creation of life yet it still just attacks like any other creature. Fine, I'll buy that...

The proloque is unnecessary to me because it spoils the idea that they're basically us (except being 10 ft tall albino monsters). The scene where they crack open the Space Jockey helmet and test the DNA is a shock to the characters but we already know this so it doesn't really matter.