wataru wrote: Gorosaurus Rex wrote:
Svitska Donkun wrote:Because it was a poorly written, stupid, movie.
Thank you for that in-depth and articulated opinion, Donkun. Always a pleasure to have you around.
$5 says he didnt even see it.
There will be Spoilers here.
Anyone who is willing to spend trillions of dollars on an endeavor based off of the baseless opinions of a couple of "scientists", should be treated as something of a wacko, fringe expedition. However, the "scientists" are treated as if their opinion should be valued. It is not given enough weight or merit to feel warranted besides the fact that it is in a movie where we know they will be right, which displays poor writing. I say "Scientists" with quaotation marks because these are possibly the worst scientists I've ever seen in a Science Fiction film, I mean, Goddammit are they bad at their job, and they do not appreciate basic scientific protocol or the Scientific Method at all. ("Hey! We have an alien lifeform's head! Let's shove this magic rod in here and make it's face move for no reason!" It's brain would've deteriorated to a point where it couldn't even speak, so there's really no point in doing it except for the lulz)
You also fail to realize the complexity of the situation they are in, as do the writers. They are in an alien planet. Simply because the air is breathable, does not mean you want to remove your masks. Even if there weren't evil alien life forms there, there is the possibility of a multitude of contaminants like viruses, which any scientist taking on such an endeavor would assuredly worry about, as even travel to different continents on our own planet can prove lethal in such a regard.
Then the issue is compounded by none of the characters behaving in a capacity that is befitting their job description. The biologist acts like a kid in a petting zoo. This is directly antithetical to anyone who has even taken a biology class, let alone a biologist. Especially when the creature does the UNIVERSAL DISPLAY OF AGGRESSION THAT PRACTICALLY ALL ANIMALS ON EARTH DO. This wouldn't be problematic if he was just some guy, but I'm assuming that not only has he dedicated his entire life to such a field of study, but that he is good enough at it so that one of the most powerful business men would pay him. But he behaves unprofessionally, and... Well, stupidly.
Then there is mohawk man who basically has "I die first" tattooed on his head. He is aggressive, annoying, and stupid. Sure, you can justify his actions but this doesn't make him less of a caricature who is only there to get killed. It is something a bit bothersome that anyone who is interested in knowledge would want to run away and not be a part of the most important discovery ever, but I guess that's because he's written as a moron. Which makes him a cheap pointless character that no one should care about.
Then there's Holloway, whom I only remember because I saw his name written on his helmet. He's a stupid douchebag. That's it. Once again, he doesn't say anything beyond whatever stupid exposition he had to dribble out that was only marginally better than that in Alien Versus Predator, and then he just gets to muck it up being a douche bag. Why? Because he got to make the most important discovery ever but it wasn't the most important discovery he wanted to make. Wah. Is his getting drunk justifiable? Maybe. If he's being characterized as a short sighted ******* who doesn't realize the prominence of his discovery, which, as I'm attempting to get across about all the characters, doesn't make him sympathetic or likable. Or feel real.
The problem with Weyland is that they treat him like a twist plot point. HE WAS ON THE SHIP THE WHOLE TIME?!?!?! So? Why keep it a secret. Why wouldn't an old man doing a last ditch attempt to save himself be on the ship? Why is Theron's character being his daughter a plot point? Why is it in the movie? Aside from whatever idiotic creator/created theme they thought they were emphasizing, it does nothing. It doesn't make her any less of a 2D hard ***** caricature and doesn't make his "surprise" inclusion any less cheap and nonsensical.
Then there's Rapace's character. She's religious but is on a quest to find her Alien makers. Her justification, rather than scientific fact, is because she believes in things. This is not scientific. This wouldn't be as much of an issue IF SHE DID ANYTHING THAT DISPLAYED ANY REAL APPROACH TO THE ENTIRE SITUATION THAT RESEMBLED A SCIENTIFIC MIND. But she doesn't. She's just religious, and in doing so, as with Lost, Lindleof forces his bizarre believes of faith vs. science into the film with even less finesse or real meaning to it.
Then there's the simple issue of the aliens and the presentation of them. The alien sacrifices itself and starts existence on Earth. Cool. Good scene. But why show the mother ship fly away? Did they decide to go away and wait many many million years then come back when man finally came about? Is the film trying to say that evolution actually didn't happen at all? Then what are dinosaurs? Were they already dead then the aliens showed up? Did they only create us? Then why do all life on Earth have the same base pairs? If the aliens did leave when he threw himself in, why are the cave paintings there in the first place? If they didn't leave, my make a point of showing it leave? Why does this alien after being awoken immediately attack the humans like a big brute? It's an alien that has mastered space travel and the creation of life yet it still just attacks like any other creature. Fine, I'll buy that...
But why were they going to attack Earth at all? They have this weapon place that they left us clues telling us to go there, then we go there, and it's been abandoned for 2000 years? And it was built for our destruction? Why didn't more aliens just come and then destroy us? Are they dead too?
The film thinks that by depriving answers to the audience that it is allowing itself to be a more thoughtful and philosophical film, but it is shallow and lacks any real logic behind it. It is full of half baked ideas and doesn't have any of the ambition to follow them through to any kind of conclusion.
Furthermore, the pacing is atrocious. With the span of just a few minutes of her character having screen time, we learn that Rapace can't have kids in an awkward, poorly written conversation, then that she is pregnant with a monster baby, and then she's having a c-section. Boom boom boom. Nothing is set up before hand or given time. It just happens. Just like everything else in the movie.
I would also like to add the plot point of putting the lifeform in ALCOHOL(which should've killed it) then giving it to Holloway. This is so Biologically unsound. Ok, so the organism is in him...to do what? This is something the organism is in no way designed for or meant to deal with. ****, how does David know that the human's antibodies won't destroy the agent like any other infection? OR just dies because it can't survive on its own inside of a human body? And if that doesn't work, wouldn't he only get sick until given antibiotics or dies? So this, organism grows in him or something, and he has sex with Shaw while it's doing so, and this infection is somehow a sexually transmittable one, as far as human intercourse(It having no genetic experience with) is concerned, and rather like any other biological agent where the victim get's the same sickness as the person she got it from does, this organism does something COMPLETELY different and far more advanced than ANYTHING it should have been capable of prior. It is able to adapt to human physiology, and make her pregnant(She's barren, by the way so, no egg to react with, it's just growing in her where a baby is supposed to be. Magic).
Not only that, it forms into a fully developed fetus within a matter of hours(The host is somehow completely oblivious to gaining a 5 pound weight in her stomach that is feeding off her), and comes out as a fully developed, unprecedented creature, with a specific biological purpose, that is immune to being "Decontaminated"(That Medical Table is downright MAGIC, btw), and grows into a gigantic monster in a matter of hours without anything fueling it's growth. And it, in turn, gives birth to the first Alien(An obviously completely different animal). That is down right, ****ing AWFUL writing.
I would also like to point out that the two doctors she fought off to get to the Magic Med table(that makes you instantly recover from massive surgical procedures that are executed within minutes while a patient is struggling), whom weren't knocked out, made no attempt to pursue this possibly dangerous contaminated person, or even report it to anybody. No one even KNEW she used the table apparently. And apparently she never told anyone about the monster squid thing, so they never followed up on it and let it squirm around the Med Lab. No cameras on this advanced research vessel apparently. I also love how she runs into the room where Weyland is, covered in blood and basically falling over, but everyone's just like, "Sup!". I'd also like to point out that for a machine that there are only 12 of in the universe, she sure knows how to use it perfectly.
Lastly, I'd like to know WHAT killed all the Jockey's on the ship and WHAT the danger was, but I guess we'll never know because Damon Lindelof is a lazy skreeonk. It's not just a stupid movie, it's a really
stupid movie. It just pretends
to be smart and some people(Mostly Alien fanboys from my experiences on RT) are fooled by it.