So even after all this they still plan on keeping FF? Like UltramanGoji said, for what, an X-Men movie?
It could also just be PR right now, so there's that. What's most important now is to see how it holds.
SoleMan wrote:Cool. I find the actual film business fascinating, and you're the best person on here to discuss it at that level with. Do you have any business ventures of your own, or what do you do? Just curious.
I don't have my own business now, although as a fun side note I would like to start my own film distribution company some day, specializing in Asian films. I doubt I'll get there given the questionable future of physical media. Oh well.
SoleMan wrote:I'm not saying necessarily that teh genre of Sci-Fi/Fantasy will disappear, but the whole "Brand movies" trend is starting to get old. It's not just Marvel and DC I'm tired of, it's anything that's an adaptation of a property that's been around for years. Look at what came out this summer: 3 Marvel movies (With a fourth on the way, right?) Jurassic Park, Terminator, Mission Impossible, and several others. Like The CinemaSins guy said: "You're flooding the market with nothing except these movies, and you're taking people's attendance of them as signs that they want more of them." Other kinds of movies can't even break into the market. Hell, Bird-Man didn't play in my hometown until after it won best picture, and even then just for a weekend. I take evidence of "foreign markets" as symptoms Americans don't really like the films: they can't sell 'em to Americans anymore, so they have to send them elsewhere. And I do think it's just a phase. People got tired of westerns, and now you can hardly find them anywhere. Everytime one comes out, it's usually really weird and doesn't go anywhere. People got tired of monster movies from the 50s. People got tired of Spy films from the 60s. People got tired of Slasher films from the 80s. They got tired of alternate reality Sci-Fi from the 90s. See a trend here?
Robot movies seem to be on the rise. I predict they'll be next!
Hollywood films have gotten exorbitantly expensive to produce, and with that it always helps Hollywood to have a well known name to use for the title card. Recognition can go a long way, as shown by the Transformers and Spider-Man franchises. Pacific Rim, CA: The First Avenger, and Ant-Man are each films you could compare with one of those franchises and as debut films they were doubtless "better". But they didn't have the big name (no name in PR's instance) so even those the latter two have proven successful, they didn't make lofty amounts of money either. An original film is not doomed from the onset, mind you. Just look at Avatar. But you have to have the right amount of hype built up, either through the marketing, technology/other achievement, or the names behind it (read: Nolan's Intersteller and Inception). Part of the issue is the lack of talent working with original sci-fi/fantasy too, which I talked about a bit elsewhere on TK. A lot of them just aren't that good, and if they're not really better than the movies with big name recognition, people will see what they know. The result is probably Hollywood seeing that they don't make as much money that way and reason that people don't want original stuff. Despite all the positive hype you could want on its quality, Fury Road will get nowhere near $400M globally while the awfully received but popular and hyped (for what's about) Fifty Shades of Grey ($569M, http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... ofgrey.htm
) or the very well received and culturally relevant American Sniper ($547M, mostly, domestic, http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... sniper.htm
) are box office titans among R films with production budgets far less than FR. And big budget films don't get much more unique than FR, even if it isn't technically "original". So while the CinemaSins individual has a point, I think there is indeed something to be said for familiarity as well. I summarize my personal thoughts as a combination of people liking familiarity and the lack of noteworthy original films. American movies have spectacle, even if they are not "good" movies in some cases, that few non-American films can replicate, and I think that drives a lot of foreign business; plus the foreign market has gotten so big that even if a movie does really well in the US it still often has a far higher foreign gross.
Anyway, I don't want to take this too OT but maybe TK would benefit from a thread on the subject of big-budget original films and Hollywood trends, etc.