Star Wars

[GojiFan]

I don't buy that Mace injured him. First of all there's two explanations out there for it. One was that Mace threw a STAP at him (comics). The other was that Mace just force crushed his insides. However the reason he really coughs is because Lucas wanted him to be a sort of prototype for the Tech that keeps Vader alive.

He did always cough a bit, but it is made quite clear through the various films or whatever that he was substantially injured by Windu prior to the space battle seen in episode 3.

[JVM]

CGI show has been mixed on Grievous. Characterization-wise, he's in between - still a bit of a pussy, but a badass when fighting. Also, the cough is still there but toned down.

But his design in the show is one of the worse ones, IMO.

[Bret]

Grevious was a real badass in those Star Wars shorts that CN used to show. This was back in 05.

[RedZillaKing]

I don't buy that Mace injured him. First of all there's two explanations out there for it. One was that Mace threw a STAP at him (comics). The other was that Mace just force crushed his insides. However the reason he really coughs is because Lucas wanted him to be a sort of prototype for the Tech that keeps Vader alive.

He did always cough a bit, but it is made quite clear through the various films or whatever that he was substantially injured by Windu prior to the space battle seen in episode 3.

What films? I've only seen EU stuff and I don't even consider that canon by any stretch. I sure as hell don't consider the microseries anything close to film canon. It isn't mentioned in the actual films or the actual Clone Wars CGI series so how could it be canonical?

[Legionmaster]

I sure as hell don't consider the microseries anything close to film canon. It isn't mentioned in the actual films or the actual Clone Wars CGI series so how could it be canonical?

Those stories were intended to bridge the gap between Attack and Revenge. We get the explanation as to why Anakin looks different now, the entire setup for where Revenge begins (the kidnapping of Palpatine), and general "this is what the Clone War looks like" stuff.

And I don't know where people get the idea that Grievous is a pussy. If you're the general of a revolutionary force and your navy gets splattered across a solar system by the government you're revolting against, it's pretty advisable to get the fudge out of there and not get murdered. He's not a wimp, he's a slippery survivor.

[o.supreme]

I've only seen EU stuff and I don't even consider that canon by any stretch. I sure as hell don't consider the microseries anything close to film canon. It isn't mentioned in the actual films or the actual Clone Wars CGI series so how could it be canonical?

Uhm... you do know that the current CG series has all its animaiton designs based on the Micro series right?? The creators of the current CW series have worked very hard not to counteract anything that happened in the Microseries because they (and Lucas) consider it canon as well. Unfortunately it dosen't matter what you and I think, its their fictional universe, and they can pretty much do what they want. I dont like some of the stories told, but they are what they are. I cant tell anyone they didn't happen, or dont count just because I dont like them. I ust ignore them unless the subject comes up. I just cant wait until the current series ends. I wonder if they will try to reconcile the differences between Micro seies episode #25, and the events of the novel "Labrynth of Evil". Many of the characters are the same, but the order of events preceeding "Episode III" are slightly different.

[wataru]

The problem with the prequels is not a single character is memorable.

Lucas created characters from the 77-83 movies that you could get behind. None happen to appear in the prequels. Qui Gon MIGHT'VE if they hadnt off'd him.

[RedZillaKing]

Lol. We have three different sources telling three different stories that contradict each other- all supposedly leading up to yhe beginning of episode III. The characters in the microseries are incredibly exagerrated (Grievous running up and down walls, Mace Windu Force fuing a battalion of SBDs to scrap LMAO), whereas the ones in the comic book and novel are truer to their film counterparts. If I was going to go with anything as "canon" (and what a soft canon it is) I'd go with the comics.

I honestly laugh at the EU depictions of Jedi. They're like gods with magical laser sticks that can do anything! I love how Grievous is depicted on the Clone Wars CGI show. Very true to the film.

@Legionmaster- I agree.... Grievous was no fool to abandon ship. Was he going to die for a bunch of Battle Droids? Who he hates, btw.

[wataru]

RDZ, what EU novels are you reading? Anything post ROTJ written before TPM shows the Jedi more of thinkers that barely use their powers.

[GojiFan]

If I was going to go with anything as "canon" (and what a soft canon it is) I'd go with the comics.

Again, it does matter that you think it is canon. Lucas has said the micro series IS canon. Also, the novel "Labyrinth of Evil" was released before the last season of the micro-series (which had Lucas' blessing). Some of what happens in the series is hokey. Mace was known however to have incredible use of the force involving hand-to-hand combat and shatter points. He had hit Kar Vastor, a practitioner of Teras Kasi, six times before he could even blink. Anyways, the events of the last season have been stated to lead directly into the the beginning of Episode III. Trying to say they are not canon or less canon than some novels when Lucas has said otherwise is pointless.

[RedZillaKing]

Citation or it didn't happen.

LOL Mace was never shown doing anything out of the ordinary (for a Jedi) in the films.

[Legionmaster]

LOL Mace was never shown doing anything out of the ordinary (for a Jedi) in the films.

Be black.

+1 for me.

[Goji]

Mace is a Jedi Master...seeing him go ape shit wasn't "out of the ordinary" at all, IMO.

By using animation as opposed to live action, Lucasfilm can get away with more 'exaggerated' action sequences. None of it is over the top, and represents what the characters are capable of. I mean, they're basically superhuman..I just don't quite understand where you're coming from, Red. (and I mean that in the nicest way possible. No snark intended).

[RedZillaKing]

@Legionmaster- Adi Gallia....

@Goji- no snarkiness detected man. No Jedi was ever seen displaying the kind of ridiculous superhuman powers of their animated counterparts in the films. I think that sequence with Mace was far beyond exaggeration though. Not even when the fate of the Republic was in the balance did he Force Fu Palpatine and his office to shreds.

[Legionmaster]

@Legionmaster- Adi Gallia....

Not human, and thus not black.

EDIT: Nvm, I derped at reading comprehension.

But it still stands that Mace is very clearly one of the most powerful Jedi.

[GojiFan]

Citation or it didn't happen.

Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover, aka the same guy who wrote the novelization for Episode III. Windu was easily one of the most powerful jedi ever. It also explains why he so easily beat down Palpatine (using shatterpoints, look that up if you don't know what it is) when Yoda, Kit Fisto, and several other great duelists either failed or died fighting him.

[miguelnuva]

Everyone Jedi is more powerful in the EU RKZ Darth Vader still jumps around like his revenge of the sith counterpart in one novel.

[RedZillaKing]

Citation or it didn't happen.

Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover, aka the same guy who wrote the novelization for Episode III. Windu was easily one of the most powerful jedi ever. It also explains why he so easily beat down Palpatine (using shatterpoints, look that up if you don't know what it is) when Yoda, Kit Fisto, and several other great duelists either failed or died fighting him.

Mace... didn't beat down Palpatine easily. It was all an act. Palpatine needed to seem vulnerable for Anakin to strike Windu. Is there actually a debate as to why everything happened the way it did? Nothing is whst it seems when Palpy's concerned. Mace got played.

Sorry I was unclear Gojifan... I meant citation for Lucas calling the microseries "canon".

[GojiFan]

Mace... didn't beat down Palpatine easily. It was all an act. Palpatine needed to seem vulnerable for Anakin to strike Windu. Is there actually a debate as to why everything happened the way it did? Nothing is whst it seems when Palpy's concerned. Mace got played.

Sorry I was unclear Gojifan... I meant citation for Lucas calling the microseries "canon".

It only seems that way because Anakin showed up when he did. And no one truly knows if Palpatine was faking it or not. He clearly wasn't just letting himself get beat down, because he killed several of the greatest duelists of the time very quickly.

As for the other comment, he was directly involved in the series. He was both the executive producer and one of two creators of the series. On top of that, he personally created many of the characters and scenarios of the episodes. He also referred to it as "the pilot" to the current animated cartoon in an interview.

[miguelnuva]

Mace... didn't beat down Palpatine easily. It was all an act. Palpatine needed to seem vulnerable for Anakin to strike Windu. Is there actually a debate as to why everything happened the way it did? Nothing is whst it seems when Palpy's concerned. Mace got played.

Sorry I was unclear Gojifan... I meant citation for Lucas calling the microseries "canon".

It only seems that way because Anakin showed up when he did. And no one truly knows if Palpatine was faking it or not. He clearly wasn't just letting himself get beat down, because he killed several of the greatest duelists of the time very quickly.

Palpatine wasn't really getting beat down it was back and forth right in till Mace disarmed Palpatine which is most likley becuase Palapatin since Anakin's arrival.