They do still exist, though. All of that media still exists. You got, and still have, decades worth of stories that were apparently exactly what you wanted. Meanwhile, for those same decades, another portion of the fandom didn't get anything that appealed to them. And when we did get something that appealed to us, it feels like we've been told, "Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all."_JNavs_ wrote:For example, Starkiller from Force Unleashed, great character imo, bridged the OT and PT almost perfectly. He was the spark that started the flame for the rebellion.. he no longer exists. Jacen Solo and Cade Skywalker, those were amazing characters and felt like they could've existed post ROTJ, (plus their names are probably the coolest names since "Anakin", "Luke" and "Obi Wan".).. But they no longer exist.
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The media exists, yes. But we were basically told by Disney "None of that exists anymore, it's all non-canon now. Sorry but we've got better plans for the future of the universe", and so far it just seems like they put their foot in their mouth, they put the cart before the horse.eabaker wrote:They do still exist, though. All of that media still exists. You got, and still have, decades worth of stories that were apparently exactly what you wanted. Meanwhile, for those same decades, another portion of the fandom didn't get anything that appealed to them. And when we did get something that appealed to us, it feels like we've been told, "Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all."_JNavs_ wrote:For example, Starkiller from Force Unleashed, great character imo, bridged the OT and PT almost perfectly. He was the spark that started the flame for the rebellion.. he no longer exists. Jacen Solo and Cade Skywalker, those were amazing characters and felt like they could've existed post ROTJ, (plus their names are probably the coolest names since "Anakin", "Luke" and "Obi Wan".).. But they no longer exist.
"Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all." I relate to this as well, since that's basically what happened to those of us who wanted that expanded content to be legitimized on the big screen, but instead they basically told us we were enjoying glorified fan fiction.
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There are just two different canons now, no matter what representatives of a corporation that acquired another corporation say abut the matter. None of that material needed to be legitimized; it was legitimate then, and remains legitimate now. It's just no longer the only option._JNavs_ wrote:The media exists, yes. But we were basically told by Disney "None of that exists anymore, it's all non-canon now. Sorry but we've got better plans for the future of the universe", and so far it just seems like they put their foot in their mouth, they put the cart before the horse.eabaker wrote:They do still exist, though. All of that media still exists. You got, and still have, decades worth of stories that were apparently exactly what you wanted. Meanwhile, for those same decades, another portion of the fandom didn't get anything that appealed to them. And when we did get something that appealed to us, it feels like we've been told, "Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all."_JNavs_ wrote:For example, Starkiller from Force Unleashed, great character imo, bridged the OT and PT almost perfectly. He was the spark that started the flame for the rebellion.. he no longer exists. Jacen Solo and Cade Skywalker, those were amazing characters and felt like they could've existed post ROTJ, (plus their names are probably the coolest names since "Anakin", "Luke" and "Obi Wan".).. But they no longer exist.
"Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all." I relate to this as well, since that's basically what happened to those of us who wanted that expanded content to be legitimized on the big screen, but instead they basically told us we were enjoying glorified fan fiction.
Legitimate or illegitimate, you have so many stories that you enjoy in that world. And the rest of us aren't asking for an equivalent amount of Star Wars content to be produced to our tastes; we just want a little drink of water in the vast desert that surrounds us.
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I'm a special snowflake who doesn't like TLJ but never got ragged on for it.
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I REALLY hope they don’t bring back Palpatine
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.........prepare thyself.Smuggers wrote:I'm a special snowflake who doesn't like TLJ but never got ragged on for it.
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Well, bad news for you because all signs point to them literally doing just that. Whether it's a vision or his physical form (somehow, someway) is still up for debate, though.gottatalktothefake wrote:I REALLY hope they don’t bring back Palpatine
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>Kill the pastKManX89 wrote:Well, bad news for you because all signs point to them literally doing just that. Whether it's a vision or his physical form (somehow, someway) is still up for debate, though.gottatalktothefake wrote:I REALLY hope they don’t bring back Palpatine
>Also here’s Palpatine BTW
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Eabaker are you saying that you didn't enjoy any Star Wars media rather it be books, movies, cartoons, games or comics from Rotj till TLJ because you would be the first person I've heard say that.eabaker wrote:They do still exist, though. All of that media still exists. You got, and still have, decades worth of stories that were apparently exactly what you wanted. Meanwhile, for those same decades, another portion of the fandom didn't get anything that appealed to them. And when we did get something that appealed to us, it feels like we've been told, "Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all."_JNavs_ wrote:For example, Starkiller from Force Unleashed, great character imo, bridged the OT and PT almost perfectly. He was the spark that started the flame for the rebellion.. he no longer exists. Jacen Solo and Cade Skywalker, those were amazing characters and felt like they could've existed post ROTJ, (plus their names are probably the coolest names since "Anakin", "Luke" and "Obi Wan".).. But they no longer exist.
Once again not attacking you just that from my initial understanding I interpret you as saying Star Wars left you and fans like you in the dark since 1983 and that is beyond my understanding I'll admit.
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I mean, I enjoyed most of the Thrawn trilogy when I first read it, but could never get invested enough to finish a re-read of it, and never thought it felt like "real" Star Wars. Ditto Shadows of the Empire.miguelnuva wrote:Eabaker are you saying that you didn't enjoy any Star Wars media rather it be books, movies, cartoons, games or comics from Rotj till TLJ because you would be the first person I've heard say that.eabaker wrote:They do still exist, though. All of that media still exists. You got, and still have, decades worth of stories that were apparently exactly what you wanted. Meanwhile, for those same decades, another portion of the fandom didn't get anything that appealed to them. And when we did get something that appealed to us, it feels like we've been told, "Oh, if this is what you like, then you just don't deserve to get anything at all."_JNavs_ wrote:For example, Starkiller from Force Unleashed, great character imo, bridged the OT and PT almost perfectly. He was the spark that started the flame for the rebellion.. he no longer exists. Jacen Solo and Cade Skywalker, those were amazing characters and felt like they could've existed post ROTJ, (plus their names are probably the coolest names since "Anakin", "Luke" and "Obi Wan".).. But they no longer exist.
Once again not attacking you just that from my initial understanding I interpret you as saying Star Wars left you and fans like you in the dark since 1983 and that is beyond my understanding I'll admit.
The prequels had their moments, and I think TFA is mostly a pretty good movie, except for the bad loss of narrative focus late in the second act.
But, when it comes right down to it, none of it felt truly satisfying to me until TLJ. That was the first thing that actually felt, to me personally, like it really was Star Wars again, from beginning to end.
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"Kill the past" was a quote from the villain and shouldn't be taken as a concrete statement by the filmmakers.gottatalktothefake wrote:>Kill the pastKManX89 wrote:Well, bad news for you because all signs point to them literally doing just that. Whether it's a vision or his physical form (somehow, someway) is still up for debate, though.gottatalktothefake wrote:I REALLY hope they don’t bring back Palpatine
>Also here’s Palpatine BTW
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For a moment I thought you were talking about me.Rhedosaurus wrote:
Actually, no. KK has not managed it well.
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I do have to agree with this. Perhaps it's because I'm a fan of Godzilla first and foremost, and I'm used to "alternate continuities branching off from the original" in a single film series. But I've never thought of the Legends stuff as "non-canon" anymore than the Showa series is "non-canon".eabaker wrote: There are just two different canons now, no matter what representatives of a corporation that acquired another corporation say abut the matter. None of that material needed to be legitimized; it was legitimate then, and remains legitimate now. It's just no longer the only option.
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While I understand what you mean, I think the difference is, the expanded universe was not only de-canonized, but it was also limited to books and games, while Goji mediums seem to focus more on off-branching film "sagas", so there's that sense of not getting the full effect of what could've been for those that would've loved to see these larger than life characters brought to the big screen.Kaiju-King42 wrote:Perhaps it's because I'm a fan of Godzilla first and foremost, and I'm used to "alternate continuities branching off from the original" in a single film series. But I've never thought of the Legends stuff as "non-canon" anymore than the Showa series is "non-canon".
I do think Eabaker is completely right in that they just want a glass of water in the desert they're surrounded in, but I just hope this isn't the only future for Disney's Star Wars, I hope they make films in a similar vein to the more epic scaled prequels/games and comics.
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To me, I think Star Wars has various kinds of hardcore fans in different aspects. Theres the film fans, the EU hardcore fans, and then the Video game/TV fans.
The film fans are those who loved watching them as films themselves. They are more concerned with the technical aspects of the film like the lighting, the spx, the story telling, the symbolism the character development in the films themselves, ect... These fans have never heard of Thrawn and until Solo came out, thought Maul was a Phantom Menace villian only. These types of fans don't really care to dive into the books or even the clone wars or rebels tv show. I feel Ebaker and to a lesser extent me (I do like alot of the video games like KOTOR) fall into this category.
I personally never really had an interest in the EU stuff as some of it really made it too much for me. When force users like Palpatine, Yoda, and even Luke are borderline DBZ overpowered, that is a huge turn off for me. When I watched the films, even in the prequels, the Jedi and Sith always felt more like normal xmen mutant level at most. Even Darth Sidous, or a full potential Anakin or Luke should not be able to survive a head on blaster fire attack from an AT-ST or an AT-AT, nor should even a skywalker or yoda or Sidous be able to stop lasers from said AT-ST or AT-AT with the force or deflect them with Lightsabers. Luke deflecting speeder bike laser fire should be the limit imo. If Sidous is somehow taken by surprise, even Han Solo should be able to kill Sidous if Sidous is not careful. When you have feats such as yoda crashing the death star into a planet with the force, thats a little much for me imo.
The film fans are those who loved watching them as films themselves. They are more concerned with the technical aspects of the film like the lighting, the spx, the story telling, the symbolism the character development in the films themselves, ect... These fans have never heard of Thrawn and until Solo came out, thought Maul was a Phantom Menace villian only. These types of fans don't really care to dive into the books or even the clone wars or rebels tv show. I feel Ebaker and to a lesser extent me (I do like alot of the video games like KOTOR) fall into this category.
I personally never really had an interest in the EU stuff as some of it really made it too much for me. When force users like Palpatine, Yoda, and even Luke are borderline DBZ overpowered, that is a huge turn off for me. When I watched the films, even in the prequels, the Jedi and Sith always felt more like normal xmen mutant level at most. Even Darth Sidous, or a full potential Anakin or Luke should not be able to survive a head on blaster fire attack from an AT-ST or an AT-AT, nor should even a skywalker or yoda or Sidous be able to stop lasers from said AT-ST or AT-AT with the force or deflect them with Lightsabers. Luke deflecting speeder bike laser fire should be the limit imo. If Sidous is somehow taken by surprise, even Han Solo should be able to kill Sidous if Sidous is not careful. When you have feats such as yoda crashing the death star into a planet with the force, thats a little much for me imo.
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It looks like the Star Wars spinoffs have been canceled by Disney.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/exclusi ... 7ZwnbwVhSs
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"Will be moved to Disney Plus"Rhedosaurus wrote:It looks like the Star Wars spinoffs have been canceled by Disney.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/exclusi ... 7ZwnbwVhSs
That is so gross, so basically what they're saying is, if you want to follow Star Wars beyond the 3 films and the kids show Resistance, you have to pay a monthly subscription service. That rubs me the completely wrong way.
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It's almost like they're a company trying to make a profit that puts out products with that intention. Don't blame them though after how SOLO performed_JNavs_ wrote:"Will be moved to Disney Plus"Rhedosaurus wrote:It looks like the Star Wars spinoffs have been canceled by Disney.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/exclusi ... 7ZwnbwVhSs
That is so gross, so basically what they're saying is, if you want to follow Star Wars beyond the 3 films and the kids show Resistance, you have to pay a monthly subscription service. That rubs me the completely wrong way.
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I have no problem with Disney Plus getting extra Star Wars contact but Disney did this to themselves. People were on the fence from Day 1 about Solo, Solo had problems on set and then TLJ split the fanbase. No way they shouldn't have moved Solo back to December.Godzillian wrote:It's almost like they're a company trying to make a profit that puts out products with that intention. Don't blame them though after how SOLO performed_JNavs_ wrote:"Will be moved to Disney Plus"Rhedosaurus wrote:It looks like the Star Wars spinoffs have been canceled by Disney.
https://wegotthiscovered.com/tv/exclusi ... 7ZwnbwVhSs
That is so gross, so basically what they're saying is, if you want to follow Star Wars beyond the 3 films and the kids show Resistance, you have to pay a monthly subscription service. That rubs me the completely wrong way.
Also if they would do the Obi-Wan spinoff they'd be fine.
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I think the ballooned budget from reshooting nearly the entire movie was more of a reason for its failure than its release date.
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You don't feel dropping it that close to Infinity War and Deadpool 2 on top of being that close to TLJ didn't have an affect on it?UltramanGoji wrote:I think the ballooned budget from reshooting nearly the entire movie was more of a reason for its failure than its release date.
Solo had an uphill battle from day 1 and it seemed like everything was lining up for it not doing well box office wise.
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