The Official Star Wars Saga Thread

[Smuggers]

That's more the result of poor writing than moral alignment. Hell, those qualities aren't even intrinsic to villains, anyone can feel those.

[goji89]

I have chosen wisely my apprentice..as you have as well.

[miguelnuva]

Yeah, one of the things I liked about the prequels were the ideas of how the Jedi failed Anakin. I don't think it's done that well, which is a shame but Lucas had some good things going with that angle.

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I believe that if they would have fleshed it out a bit more and fine tweaked these events of how the Jedi failed Anakin then it would have been better. The scene with Qui-Gon and Anakins mother where he tells her "I'm not here to free slaves".....I'm like dude, at least take the mom as well. I know he later said he tried but why not just take her with them anyways......

But yeah had some good ideas with that angle.

Slaves have a transmitter in their heads. Watto would have killed Shmi right in front of Anakin's eyes.

[Spuro]

Most people only "like villains better than the heroes" because they get cool designs, armies and powers.

With the exception of Vader and Krennic, none of the Star Wars villains are particularly deep, relatable, or interesting as individuals.

Conflict, regret, failure. Those tend to be the most relatable. Not everyones lives are happy go lucky bright and shining every day is my day nonsense.

You're right that those are relatable traits, but you're very mistaken if you think those traits are exclusive to villains, or that heroes all live happy go lucky bright and shiny lives. Especially Star Wars heroes of all things.

[_JNavs_]

Most people only "like villains better than the heroes" because they get cool designs, armies and powers.

With the exception of Vader and Krennic, none of the Star Wars villains are particularly deep, relatable, or interesting as individuals.

Conflict, regret, failure. Those tend to be the most relatable. Not everyones lives are happy go lucky bright and shining every day is my day nonsense.

You're right that those are relatable traits, but you're very mistaken if you think those traits are exclusive to villains, or that heroes all live happy go lucky bright and shiny lives. Especially Star Wars heroes of all things.

Maul and Sidious are some notable examples of some decently deep/interesting individuals. I was applying those relatable traits to villains as a counter to the

"Edge lord/down with the government, rebellious teen who describes themselves as an anarchist and shares facebook memes about wanting the zombie apocalypse to happen."

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[goji89]

Most people only "like villains better than the heroes" because they get cool designs, armies and powers.

With the exception of Vader and Krennic, none of the Star Wars villains are particularly deep, relatable, or interesting as individuals.

Conflict, regret, failure. Those tend to be the most relatable. Not everyones lives are happy go lucky bright and shining every day is my day nonsense.

You're right that those are relatable traits, but you're very mistaken if you think those traits are exclusive to villains, or that heroes all live happy go lucky bright and shiny lives. Especially Star Wars heroes of all things.

Villains need love too..... remember there is no light without darkness, no love without hate.... They mostly get the deep or relatable nonsense because they wish for them to die and dont want to flesh out their story giving them sympathy...if Darth Vader was some generic nobody he would fall into that category, the fact that he was a chosen ine and supposedly aJedi is why he got a back story.

Villains dont just pop up either.

[JAGzilla]

There can't really be heroes without villains, because the villains drive the heroes into action. Did everything change when it was a peaceful day at the Southern Air Temple? Hell no, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.

[_JNavs_]

There can't really be heroes without villains, because the villains drive the heroes into action. Did everything change when it was a peaceful day at the Southern Air Temple? Hell no, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.

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So the next 3 Star Wars films are dated for 2022, 2024 and 2026


I can't even imagine being 26, let alone waiting that long for a SW film

[eabaker]

So the next 3 Star Wars films are dated for 2021, 2024 and 2026


I can't even imagine being 26, let alone waiting that long for a SW film

22, not 21.

I always thought 3 years between entries was a nice pace, and one per year has been too much. Two years apart still feels a little rushed to me, but we'll see.

[_JNavs_]

So the next 3 Star Wars films are dated for 2021, 2024 and 2026


I can't even imagine being 26, let alone waiting that long for a SW film

22, not 21.

I always thought 3 years between entries was a nice pace, and one per year has been too much. Two years apart still feels a little rushed to me, but we'll see.

Yeah 1 per year has been too much, 2 years apart should give enough time for ideas to whirl and stick. 3 years does make it feel more like an event, but with how big the brand is, it'd probably be too much of a gap for general audiences.

[ApexOversteer]

Remember that we'll also have the streaming service and the various series on it to feed the beast between films...

[eabaker]

I just realized, George Lucas must have at least some familiarity with Time Lord science. That's the only explanation for how the 2h16m Episode I somehow contains 3h47m of fucking podracing.

[Jeff-Goldblum2]

3 years too long?

Try 16 between Jedi and Menace.

[Spuro]

3 years too long?

Try 16 between Jedi and Menace.

If anything, the gaps heighten excitement and anticipation, and helps to avoid fatigue and stagnation. The Force Awakens wouldn't have done nearly as well at the box office if it hadn't been ten years since the last Star Wars movie.

I really wish Marvel would have gone a similar rout after Endgame and given audiences a much deserved break, but I suppose that's not for this thread.

[JAGzilla]

I really wish Marvel would have gone a similar rout after Endgame and given audiences a much deserved break, but I suppose that's not for this thread.

At the same time, with a story this sprawling and complex, it makes sense to keep moving while audiences are still closely involved and remember what's going on.

[_JNavs_]

3 years too long?

Try 16 between Jedi and Menace.

If anything, the gaps heighten excitement and anticipation, and helps to avoid fatigue and stagnation. The Force Awakens wouldn't have done nearly as well at the box office if it hadn't been ten years since the last Star Wars movie.

I really wish Marvel would have gone a similar rout after Endgame and given audiences a much deserved break, but I suppose that's not for this thread.

I'd agree that it'd heighten excitement and anticipation, if I hadn't thought the past 3 SW films were subpar at best. So if they continue the trend, they're just dragging it on. Especially if it's Rians trilogy they're talking about.

Idk, I guess to me the past 3 films felt worse than some of the fan films i've seen, i'm just not a big fan of rehashed plots and left field twists to justify them.

[Rhedosaurus]

According to John Campea via his YouTube channel, Rian Johnson's Star Wars trilogy has been officially canceled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74m83Oe86pI

[eabaker]

According to John Campea via his YouTube channel, Rian Johnson's Star Wars trilogy has been officially canceled

If that's true, it pretty much kills my interest in any future Star Wars under Disney.

[miguelnuva]

According to John Campea via his YouTube channel, Rian Johnson's Star Wars trilogy has been officially canceled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74m83Oe86pI

I guess Last Jedi did damage the brand more than they let on if true.

[eabaker]

According to John Campea via his YouTube channel, Rian Johnson's Star Wars trilogy has been officially canceled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74m83Oe86pI

I guess Last Jedi did damage the brand more than they let on kf true.

More to the point, that would mean that they interpret TLJ as having damaged the brand.

I think there's a significant portion of the fandom, though, for whom explicitly pulling away from TLJ damages the brand.

If Disney cancels/has cancelled the Johnson trilogy, then they're basically telling me that I'm the "wrong kind" of Star Wars fan, and my money doesn't matter to them. In which case, fine, I'll keep it.